DOA GPU on a trade deal (both sides?)

[Del88]

As moderator of PIF, I've been made privy to information about dealings with @Del88 .
It's not the first time thing's have come to him "broken". One member PIF'd a board he bought from him that ended up being DOA.
I account for a 3tb HDD that was DOA and a mobo so far.
@Hamz1121 can confirm

The board i listed as condition unknown.
The harddrive was 100% i sent the screenshot of HDD sentinal with its serial number and everything visible

 

[StangV2_0]

I know whats wrong with the asus. He didnt send me any proof of the asus thats working i took his word for it, i sent proof the xfx is working. Im not even counting in the cost for the card for the parts so that 300 for shipping is nothing compared to what i spent.
And seen that he cant trust me (which is now weird) how can i trust him? like i said refund my cost i spent on the card send the xfx let me see whats wrong there and ill send his asus back if the xfx if fixable. If i cant ill send the xfx back. I even gave him the opportunity to send someone till here to come check the asus to see that its really dead, he didnt want to.
Ive sold my 6600xt, ive sold my rx6800 where people paid me first, and i shipped the items and had no issues.

Dude, you are now on the verge of acting like a real chop! Let's draw a very clear picture for you!

You joined Carb 2 months ago. You have done 10 deals with one bad deal. That is a 10% ratio of bad deals to good ones. And based on above posts you are very fortunate this is not higher.

Trinitron joined 6 years ago. He has done 300 deals. If he were to have even half of your bad deal ratio, he would have 15 bad deals. Yet, here he is, with ZERO bad deals. Not even one neutral deal. Yet you wish to sing a song here about not being able to trust him?

You say there is no proof of this card working before it was sent to you. Well, here I am. The person who sold the card to Trintron a few weeks ago. And although the card was running hot, it was working. Trintron and I dont know each other. He owes me no favor. Yet he gave me a positive rating for the deal.
You say he didnt send you proof of the card working. Ok, fine.. Let me ask this though. Did you ask for proof of the card working? Or did you avoid this because it is then convenient for you to claim a DOA?

Why not this. Why not ask another high-ranking member in the same area as Trintron to assist with this. Send the card to this member and let this member test the card and then give his opinion on it. A total neutral party.

The way you treat this now could be the very difference to the future of your stay on carbonite and how future dealings could work out for you.

 

[Toxxyc]

Please go see the price of what thermal grizzly pads cost the 2mm and 3mm pads

No thanks, I'm good. You can remove and keep them as well.

Yes the merc was fine and now its not, and i have no idea whats wrong with it now.

So you say. But apparently there's more. Dead RAM to @deathstar444. Dead motherboard to @Hamz1121. Dead HDD to I don't know (@mujeeb1 who got the dead HDD?). Dead GPU to @TRINITRON.

The board i listed as condition unknown.
The harddrive was 100% i sent the screenshot of HDD sentinal with its serial number and everything visible

The board was listed as "it was working when it was removed" and later in the thread "So ill retract this till i have the time to test it, and put it up for sale to what they normally sell the boards for". Boards don't just die when put into storage, but OK.

The HDD - you say it was 100%. Like the Merc. Like the RAM.

By the way, where do you get all these components? You seem to have several GPUs and motherboards and stuff all over, and you seem to repair hardware as well?

Onto PIFs... It seems your journey started when you took a GTX650 from here: https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?threads/random-collection-of-things.489802/

For this PIF, you returned the 3TB HDD - which turned out to be dead. So you still owe a return PIF for the GPU.

Then, you took a combo here: [PIF] - (very) Old AMD FX Combo | Pay It Forward

For that PIF, you returned some stuff here: [PIF] - return PIF (outstanding) | Pay It Forward

According to your last post on there, that PIF is still outstanding - the Elitepad is still available. In spite of that, you still placed a dibs on an item here: [PIF] - Wrist Rest or Bondic Liquid Plastic Welder | Pay It Forward You retracted that dibs, luckily, so that's good.

I'd suggest you start slowing down, immediately. Test the stuff you have before you advertise or offer it to anything. Send the Asus back to Tri, and let him know when you're available so he can send the Merc back to you. If you're worried about being scammed, involve a trustworthy member somewhere that can help you facilitate the deal.

But I cannot stress this enough - pull up your socks. It's not looking great now.

 

[TRINITRON]

@Toxxyc I see this is going nowhere as it did in my whatsapp conversation with him as well.

I find it unreasonable that he wants me to:
- pay him for the costs he allegedly spent towards the TUF, costs I did not approve at all as I only mentioned opening it up for physical inspection.
- pay to courier the XFX to him to inspect it, and then try to fix, failing which he says he will send it back (again at my cost?)
- and only if the XFX is working will he part with the TUF???

In addition saying the TUF is an easier fix because he knows what's wrong with it whereas the MERC literally only travelled by TCG who by his own words is his preferred courier... (and in my experience with them, even with sub par packaging items don't just die when there is no physical damage...)

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So anyways as it stands now, and in light of the extra information obtained I believe my best bet would be to send the merc to GPUworx in Pretoria for a proper inspection and quotation on repairs if possible.

And depending on the amount for repairs @Del88 should expect a letter of demand from me, as is my legal right.

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Oh and just to address the part about the ''proof'' the merc was working. I didn't even ask, your first reply to my ''Hi, it's Tri from Carbonite'' message was to send a pic of temps of an unknown gpu in cyberpunk and then a video of where you panned out the monitor showing cyberpunk to your pc case where the merc was shown, visibly lit up, which it does regardless by using pcie power. For people who know me and have dealt with me before I generally dont ask much about the condition of an item because I take the person on their word. Evidently a mistake and something I have now learnt from.

 

[Dom]

Bud, @Del88, take it from someone who has been around here for many years & seen a lot of this kak happen.

Climb off your high & mighty pile of trash - apologise, take back all of the broken stuff.

Start again & test things how you want to receive them.

 

[TRINITRON]

SHOCKING NEW DEVELOPMENT:

Turns out this exact same MERC gpu, SN: W1V015928, was previously sold to @SCHNITZER ZA

@SCHNITZER ZA bought it on the 26th of July.

The thread: https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?t...ale-price-drop-9499-each.492543/#post-3188725

Thread stated that it has warranty and when asked if their was rust the answer was no, GPU is perfect. But when getting said GPU it is full of corrosion and after checking with wootware no warranty. GPU green screens as soon as load is put on. And could not run 3dmark.

In fact, it seems like this gpu was sold by @DavoYE on behalf of someone else, but luckily @SCHNITZER ZA got his refund.

This same gpu at the time had the warranty seal sticker intact but warranty had already been confirmed by Wootware to have expired in February 2023.

GPU has the same burnt smell @SCHNITZER ZA remembers.

@SCHNITZER ZA was refunded on the 28th of July, was this when you bought it @Del88? How much did you pay for it?
@DavoYE how much did you sell it for? Especially knowing it had its issues?

Are the two of you guys friends?

@Del88, did you keep it for 2 days trying to fix it? (the warranty seal is no longer intact) and then just decide to trade it?

I am beginning to think perhaps I should start asking @DavoYE for my refund instead and then return the card to him...

 

[Toxxyc]

@DavoYE and @Del88 and @SCHNITZER ZA please comment on the above. I'm getting quite tired of this thread guys, and my patience is starting to wear thin here. I can see from records that @SCHNITZER ZA and @Del88 both contacted @DavoYE around the same time, although SCHNITZER ZA was a bit quicker on the draw with information, and cell numbers here were exchanged on the 24th. Del88, on the other hand, paid a deposit to have a card held for him.

Now, @SCHNITZER ZA would you be so kind as to provide me with the chats from @DavoYE? That also being said, I see no Feedback rating from you to him for the deal. There's no mention of you getting a burnt card that you bought from him?

 

[Jaacques]

Like I don't really want to get involved here, But I have been following this since it was opened... Send pictures of the repairs. Simple... Also how did you test the ram chips in short? This is new to me... Ill leave it at that.

 

[Confucius]

This thread is really interesting as it’s an eye opener for the kind of people that are amongst us.

What’s unfolding is a well orchestrated plan to trade a dud GPU (that couldn’t be fixed) for one that can also be easily regarded as suspect.

Your average Joe / del / Brian is not going to have memory chips just laying around and be ever eager to replace them at the first chance and also to have the means to actually swap them. Which also means that if he got a working GPU and needed parts to fix another GPU, or just to make his story flow, he would easily be able to remove working memory chips from the GPU in question and replace with damaged chips so that he can then confirm that a previously working GPU is now dead. This also means that he probably repairs hardware for a living or as a side hussle.

We’ve seen this strategy before and it generally ends in one or more people getting banned and someone else losing out a decent amount of cash.

☹️

 

[DavoYE]

I can confirm @SCHNITZER ZA bought the gpu, he mentioned he wasn't happy with the corrosion on the card and that he wasn't sure if the card was 100% - I said not a problem, refunded him immediately. I got the card back and tested it, cleaned it and found no issues with the card. I tested the card with @del88And he was happy, i can provide proof. Even followed up with him after a few days as I did have other replacement cards coming in.

10 or something days later he said the card isn't working, what he did with the card I do not know. As always I'm willing to do whatever is fair , however I don't know what @Del88 did with this card during those 10 days. I clearly stated no warranty, and followed up multiple times to ensure he's happy.

 

[SCHNITZEL ZA]

Last month I bought a 6900XT MERC from DavoYE. When I got the card it was not as described in the thread. The card had rust and I then checked with woot to see if it had warranty which it did not. I messaged DavoYE and told him I was not happy with the card as I asked if there was any rust and if the card had warranty before I paid him. He told me the card had no rust and had warranty.

When I got home that night I tested the card and it didn't work, had to reboot pc two to three times before it booted, and when it booted up it was a struggle to install drivers, and could not complete a 3D Mark run. The warranty sticker was still on the card when I got it. The smell of the card was the least of my worries as at that point I was already losing my shit. (I only get time to game on weekends)

I also messaged a few guys I know on carb asking if any of them have GPU's I can borrow for the weekend. TRINITRON was one of those guys.

DavoYE did refund me and Courier Guy collected the 6900XT MERC on the 31st of July. So that's where I left it. I then bought a new card and my PC was running 100%.

Yesterday I was reading the bad deal thread and I messaged TRINITRON telling him that some of the problems he is having with this card are the same as I had with the one I bought last month and returned. As a joke, I told him to check the serial number and to both of our surprise it was the same GPU.

I have sent all the details to Toxxyc that I have.

PS: Eks Afrikaans so moet my nie wat wat oor spelling en kak nie lol.

 

[DavoYE]

"[07/27, 21:26] Rudi Drotsky 6900xts: I managed to fix that card
[07/27, 21:39] David Abraham Theron: Hmmmm
[07/27, 21:39] David Abraham Theron: Ok😅
[07/27, 21:43] Rudi Drotsky 6900xts: Cleaned it with air now its not giving a green screen
[07/27, 21:44] David Abraham Theron: Oh ok awesome
[07/27, 21:51] Rudi Drotsky 6900xts: What time will you be able to refund tomorrow
[07/27, 22:25] Rudi Drotsky 6900xts: Nevermind, still doing to same. Just took longer now
[07/27, 23:48] Rudi Drotsky 6900xts: If possible please do early morning, i need to pay for my new GPU to be shipped same day
[07/28, 00:33] Rudi Drotsky 6900xts: That card definitely has problems, tried everything. So please, I need my refund as early as possible.
[07/28, 03:39] David Abraham Theron: Ok bud
[07/28, 03:39] David Abraham Theron: I was told ill have my payment by 11"


So as you can see, @SCHNITZER ZA said it's working then not working, so naturally I cleaned it up and did my own testing and found after the clean - that it was working perfectly.

Regarding the warranty, when asked I believe I said it had 2 months left as this is what I was under the impression of, when brought to my attention that it didn't I offered a refund immediately.

Regarding stating that it didn't have corrosion- this isn't true, I sent pictures of the card of which he said he's happy. Regardless as soon as he said he isn't happy I refunded.

@Del88 - I let him know I had other cards coming in and if he wasn't happy I would swop it out, he said no its 100% he's happy with the card after following up numerous times. I did also let him know that it doesn't have warranty.

@Del88 insists the card was working when he shipped it to @TRINITRON, I cannot confirm or denie this.

But if that card wasn't working when @Del88 I would have gladly organized a replacement as I let him know I've got more coming in.

Followed up with him afterwards to confirm that he's happy and he was.

100% I feel I did everything to ensure @Del88 Was happy after making sure the card was working perfectly after a good cleaning.

Please let me know what you think is fair in this situation

 

[SCHNITZEL ZA]

https://imgur.com/a/QWtx2D6

 

[DavoYE]

https://imgur.com/a/QWtx2D6

Those are the pics yea

 

[Del88]

So heres what happened between me and @DavoYE i bought a RX6900xt from him which was DOA.
i picked it up from him got home card didnt want to boot, PC kept restarting, told him about it, he then brought me a second gpu 6900xt aswell tested everything was fine for about 40 minutes card died same issues as the first one. told him about it, he said his partner is not happy as his now out the pocket of 2 6900xt gpus, so he told me he has a RTX3080 with warranty i told him no. ( as i didnt buy a 3080 if i wanted a 3080 i wouldve bought me a 3080) no refund offered, then he said he has a gpu coming from JHB the next day which is his personal gpu ( as i told him i dont want a gpu from that same batch) he told me it wasnt,.

The gpu was delivered to him the next day and he brought it with the 3080, we tested it everything was fine, (i still told him i want to buy the 2 previous gpus that died, but never got that far as he said it was his partners gpus)i was happy. but i had issues with my case (corsair air 240) as i have a 240 AIO which i couldnt use as gpu was to long so then i put up a ad to trade it for a asus or powercolour as i saw they were 20mm shorter, saw a ad of a asus rx6900xt but the owner didnt want to trade so listed the card for sale,then saw the ad of @TRINITRON PMed him we came to agreement etc (then hour later pc didnt want to boot gave me same issues as the previous two cards whatsapped @DavoYE told him about it, just to find out it was the PSU, changed the PSU and everything worked again played games for few hours then removed it and packaged it as it had to be picked up the next morning.

If i had known the history of the card which he didnt mention, even though it was working i would not have bought it ,then i wouldve asked for a refund.

 

[Del88]

so @DavoYE as he states got the card back it worked no issues, i got the card it worked no issue, the moment it got to JHB orwhere ever it goes to it doesnt work?
and have the same issues it had when it was originally sold to @SCHNITZER ZA

 

[DavoYE]

So heres what happened between me and @DavoYE i bought a RX6900xt from him which was DOA.
i picked it up from him got home card didnt want to boot, PC kept restarting, told him about it, he then brought me a second gpu 6900xt aswell tested everything was fine for about 40 minutes card died same issues as the first one. told him about it, he said his partner is not happy as his now out the pocket of 2 6900xt gpus, so he told me he has a RTX3080 with warranty i told him no. ( as i didnt buy a 3080 if i wanted a 3080 i wouldve bought me a 3080) no refund offered, then he said he has a gpu coming from JHB the next day which is his personal gpu ( as i told him i dont want a gpu from that same batch) he told me it wasnt,.

The gpu was delivered to him the next day and he brought it with the 3080, we tested it everything was fine, (i still told him i want to buy the 2 previous gpus that died, but never got that far as he said it was his partners gpus)i was happy. but i had issues with my case (corsair air 240) as i have a 240 AIO which i couldnt use as gpu was to long so then i put up a ad to trade it for a asus or powercolour as i saw they were 20mm shorter, saw a ad of a asus rx6900xt but the owner didnt want to trade so listed the card for sale,then saw the ad of @TRINITRON PMed him we came to agreement etc (then hour later pc didnt want to boot gave me same issues as the previous two cards whatsapped @DavoYE told him about it, just to find out it was the PSU, changed the PSU and everything worked again played games for few hours then removed it and packaged it as it had to be picked up the next morning.

If i had known the history of the card which he didnt mention, even though it was working i would not have bought it ,then i wouldve asked for a refund.

I had 20 x 6900xts from 3 different clients, so like I said replacing wouldn't be a issue

 

[TRINITRON]

I had 20 x 6900xts from 3 different clients, so like I said replacing wouldn't be a issue

Would you consider replacing the merc i got then?

I'd even take that 3080 if it really has warranty and is unopened / intact warranty seal

 

[DavoYE]

Would you consider replacing the merc i got then?

I'd even take that 3080 if it really has warranty and is unopened / intact warranty seal

I 100% would if I am to blame, problem is that I believe I upheld honest dealings

 

[Toxxyc]

My 2c on the matter, and it seems this is the story (correct me if I'm wrong here), and then I'm closing this off with what I think should happen.

SCHNITZER ZA & DavoYE
@DavoYE from what I can see in the communication with @SCHNITZER ZA, you sent him pictures, yes. However, we all know pictures can lie (as can be seen above, you can't see rust). That's why SCHNITZER specifically asked if the card has any rust on it, and you, DavoYE, said "no, no rust". Schnitzer didn't have the card 2 minutes before he said it has "a lot of corrosion", so that's a bad start already. Then, he tried to boot the card, and it gave a green screen (dead), and he mentioned it smelled burned. So I'm guessing the card was flashed or OCed for mining, as per the pictures, and that wrecked the card. He sent it back and @DavoYE refunded him. Serial number for the card is W1V015928.

Important note here is that SCHNITZER confirmed that the warranty sticker on this card was still in place.

@SCHNITZER ZA keep in mind that Feedback ratings are MANDATORY, as per our rules, so please leave one for DavoYE that indicates how you feel about that deal.

DavoYE & Del88
So Del88 bought a GPU from DavoYE. First card, DOA. Second card, DOA. So, in other words, same as what SCHNITZER reported. Then Del88 asked for another card, and DavoYE said there's another one coming from JHB, different batch, a "personal card". This is the card that DavoYE then sold to Del88. This is the card that Del88 traded to @TRINITRON. Card with serial number W1V015928.

So here's another lie. @DavoYE said it's "his personal gpu", but it's not. It's a dead card from a client that was returned, because it wasn't as described and DOA. Here I'm not sure if the card was worked on, maybe cooler replaced and repasted and whatnot, and this is what I want to now.

Who here worked on this card? @DavoYE or @Del88?

Something was done to the card, and it wasn't just repasted because it arrived at @TRINITRON with dry thermal paste. This was checked and confirmed by a third party. This third party also confirmed corrosion on the card.

Del88 & @TRINITRON
Del88 got this card, W1V015928, and traded it for @TRINITRON's ASUS Tuf. And here we have the story.

My 2C, and it'll depend on if my assumption above is accurate, is that @DavoYE should replace the Merc for @TRINITRON.

 

[TRINITRON]

Recent whatsapp from @Del88:

Also @DavoYE says he explicitly told you that it has no warranty:

15th August:

Also not to brag but both @SCHNITZER ZA and I have really good psus...

 

[DavoYE]

Just to clarify, it was my personal card that went to @SCHNITZER ZA, which I got back and tested to be working. I only cleaned the card. Didn't work on it.

@Del88 was happy with the card and I had no further dealings with the trade they made.

So I should replace the xfx card because @Del88 and @TRINITRON decided to do a swop while one of them worked on the xfx card?

Had they not done the swop which i wasnt involved in, I wouldn't be having to swop a working card for a dead card?

If you believe I am liable then I'll do the swop, just not 100% sure if I'm explaining correctly

 

[Toxxyc]

So I should replace the xfx card because @Del88 and @TRINITRON decided to do a swop while one of them worked on the xfx card?

This is why I asked, who worked on the XFX? Between you, @DavoYE and @Del88, someone worked on the Merc. However, the Merc you gave @Del88 wasn't a good condition card, DavoYE. It was returned because it was DOA to a client. Did you tell Del88 that? He says you didn't.

 

[DavoYE]

This is why I asked, who worked on the XFX? Between you, @DavoYE and @Del88, someone worked on the Merc. However, the Merc you gave @Del88 wasn't a good condition card, DavoYE. It was returned because it was DOA to a client. Did you tell Del88 that? He says you didn't.

I had no way of confirming if it was indeed an issue with the card or a different component with @SCHNITZER ZA build. For that reason I tested and cleaned the card, and my findings found no issue.

To my knowledge I gave @del88A card he was happy with and followed up a few days later yo confirm.

I didn't work on the card no.

If you believe I am in the wrong I will replace the card.

Regarding @SCHNITZER ZA s feedback rating, he said If I don't give him a refund by 12 he's going to give me a bad rating - I made sure I gave him hes money's before then.

Once again the card was working once it left me, but was doa and refunded immediately because of that. I don't believe this warrants a bad review as I immediately took recourse as I'm willing to do here.

 

[TRINITRON]

This is why I asked, who worked on the XFX? Between you, @DavoYE and @Del88, someone worked on the Merc. However, the Merc you gave @Del88 wasn't a good condition card, DavoYE. It was returned because it was DOA to a client. Did you tell Del88 that? He says you didn't.

Denton, 15th August:

Also not sure what he meant by taking a loss on this as it was my loss not his...

 

[Toxxyc]

I had no way of confirming if it was indeed an issue with the card or a different component with @SCHNITZER ZA build. For that reason I tested and cleaned the card, and my findings found no issue.

To my knowledge I gave @del88A card he was happy with and followed up a few days later yo confirm.

I didn't work on the card no.

If you believe I am in the wrong I will replace the card.

Regarding @SCHNITZER ZA s feedback rating, he said If I don't give him a refund by 12 he's going to give me a bad rating - I made sure I gave him hes money's before then.

Once again the card was working once it left me, but was doa and refunded immediately because of that. I don't believe this warrants a bad review as I immediately took recourse as I'm willing to do here.

Did you tell @Del88 that you are getting a "personal carb" from JHB for him, as he claims? Because if so, that's an outright lie, mate. You didn't get a personal card for him, you got him a broken card from @SCHNITZER ZA.

 

[Toxxyc]

(then hour later pc didnt want to boot gave me same issues as the previous two cards whatsapped @DavoYE told him about it, just to find out it was the PSU, changed the PSU and everything worked again played games for few hours then removed it and packaged it as it had to be picked up the next morning.

Hold up, I kind of read over this. @Del88 here you said the card gave the same issues as the previous cards, but when you swapped PSUs, it worked again before you shipped it off?

 

[DavoYE]

Did you tell @Del88 that you are getting a "personal carb" from JHB for him, as he claims? Because if so, that's an outright lie, mate. You didn't get a personal card for him, you got him a broken card from @SCHNITZER ZA.

It was my personal card that went to @SCHNITZER ZA which then came back to me

 

[Del88]

Hold up, I kind of read over this. @Del88 here you said the card gave the same issues as the previous cards, but when you swapped PSUs, it worked again before you shipped it off?

Thats correct thats why i never still though alot about it. As it was working again and thats why i told @DavoYE nvm its working it was my psu.

 

[Del88]

Either way, if i knew the history of the card which i also only found out now i wouldnt have taken it and wouldve requested a refund, and wouldve have looked for a other 6900xt.
The whole reason why i didnt request a refund after the second card was, because he said his partner is pissed as it 2 cards now and he doubts his partner is willing to refund. That when he mentioned the 3080 which i told him i dont want, he then said he has a 6900xt coming from jozi, and asked him specifically if its from the same batch of gpus the first 2 was, and he said no its his personal GPU. This is why i took the chance. He never said anything about it being a DOA return card from someone he sold it to already,