DOA GPU on a trade deal (both sides?)

[TRINITRON]

Deal Thread URL: [Trade] - XFX RX6900XT Speedster MERC 319 urgent sale R8800 | AMD | Carbonite

Seller: @Del88
Buyer: @TRINITRON

Description of Bad Deal:

Headnote: Both sides claiming DOA gpus

Reason for delay in posting: I spent a while creating this thread and then found out their is a 20k character limit 🤦

So I have attached a pdf of the whatsapp convo instead.

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Story:

@Del88 approached me in pm asking if I would be interested in trading the TUF gpu I had listed for his MERC.

Link to my TUF thread: [Feeler] - ASUS TUF GAMING RX 6900 XT OC Edition (runs HOT) [R8500] | AMD | Carbonite

I was selling the TUF on behalf on @mopkop (because I sold it on to him after buying it initially from @StangV2_0)

Link to Stang's thread: [Feeler] - ASUS TUF GAMING RX 6900 XT OC Edition | AMD | Carbonite

So I gave @mopkop 3 options.

1. Would you like me to do a straight refund of the R8500 and take it back?
2. Would you like me to exchange it for another 6900xt? I can get my hands on an XFX merc
3. Would you like to keep it but for me to pay @mjclaas to repaste?

Mopkop understandably felt option 2 would be nice, so I went with that.
But he did comment to me that he found it strange someone would want to trade a working gpu for one with thermal issues.
But since I have seen stranger happen on carb before I didn't think much of it at the time, and Del88 said he wanted the TUF because the MERC does not fit well in his case.

So Del88 and I talked on whatsapp where we talked about the temp issues, I told him I would like to get the TUF sent for a repaste and new thermal pads first and then send it on to him. I even said id do this at my cost since by all accounts at that stage he was exchanging a merc with better thermal performance. He said that he does repastes etc himself and that he would be fine with receiving as is if I could include shipping for the merc (as per norm for trades) as he would get the gpu much quicker that way. He also expressed his desire to get it via overnight shipping.

Me being way too kind for my own good booked both for collection on Monday (14/08/2023).

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Del88 got the tuf at 12:41 on the Tuesday. While mopkop got his at 15:04

Almost immediately Del claims the TUF is DOA.
He then goes on about how he can fix it and what parts he would need and asks me if I can help with getting him a dead 6900xt etc
I tell him I'd normally just do a full refund (if this was a sale) and I don't expect him to try fix it
He is insistent on trying to fix it.
I state I recall seeing some parts on carb
I mention I could do a partial refund, he is visibly keen.
He sends me a screenshot of this: (7) [For Sale] - (Faulty) Power Color RX6800 Fighter x2 | AMD | Carbonite
So I mention I would consider R3500 and he says he would take it.

This is before mopkop got the MERC.

Everything changed after we found out the MERC was DOA.

<See the pdf>

So after I state how the MERC is not working at all and the troubleshooting doesn't resolve it, Del first appears to be sympathetic and helpful

He even says he got the TUF working.

But this changes not long later.

And when I again request to undo the trade he gets hostile.
And the same for when I request a courier to collect it.


In conclusion

I regret my heavy handed approach on the 21st but I was frustrated because this guy is not seeing the hypocrisy of what he is saying because he wants a refund because he says the MERC was fine before it left him but ignores the very same thing I say about the TUF...

Also his unwillingness to part with the TUF, where if it is truly dead it should make no difference?

Hence my current thoughts on this is that my assumption must surely be correct as I see no reason he would stick to his guns on holding onto the TUF unless it is actually working as it was JHB side and he deliberately sent a dud gpu up to keep a working one.

I also doubt any physical changes were even done to the TUF and I willing to bet the ''repairs'' where he showed me it was working and where he overclocked it (also wtf? who overclocks before stress testing) was so he could try get money from me for the cost of the ''repairs''. (who goes ahead with ''repairs'' without getting confirmation?)

In addition, regardless of the tuf situation. Why is the MERC not working? And also condition not as stated in the trade thread.

And in hindsight, his questions about shipping insurance are suspicious now, especially when he briefly tried to blame TCG later on...

 

[Toxxyc]

@Del88, your input here is needed. I've been following this story, with people who have tested both cards and who I trust to speak the truth. According to them, the Asus was fine when it was sent, although it ran a bit hot. You also confirmed it working, and confirmed that you worked on the card, and OCed it, before it died.

On the other hand, the Merc was DOA. It never worked upon arrival.

Your input here is needed.

 

[Del88]

Good day, ill respond as soon as i get home tonight.
Ill upload the full whatsapp convo as just browsing through this, i can see its just selective parts being explained here

 

[Del88]

@Del88, your input here is needed. I've been following this story, with people who have tested both cards and who I trust to speak the truth. According to them, the Asus was fine when it was sent, although it ran a bit hot. You also confirmed it working, and confirmed that you worked on the card, and OCed it, before it died.

On the other hand, the Merc was DOA. It never worked upon arrival.

Your input here is needed.

And sorry to sound blunt, or arrogant. As im not trying to be. But respectfully this reply from a admin, already tells me no matter what i say or prove you have already made up your mind that im lying? Or that im wrong? And just a question. Arent you supposed to be neutral about this? Untill you have heard both sides in order to facilitate this situation?
Yes i did confirm it was working after i had to fix it. Which it died again few moments later. But the card was definitely dead when it got to me, dog hairs and all. And yes i worked on it to get it to work, as it was dead, and yes i OCed it after i fixed and and tested it. As the way you explaining it now is not what happened. The card was dead when i got it.

 

[StangV2_0]

I wish to add something here in a total neutral tone. I was the previous owner of this Asus tuf 6900xt. I find it very strange that this card was overclocked. In all the time I had it I was never able to do a successful overclock on it. I tried it a few times to see what FPS improvements I would get out of it. Not because I needed more frames, but rather out of sheer curiosity.

I followed all recommended stable settings from various sites and could never get a stable clock. No matter how little I turned it up by. One of which is here:

Overclocking AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT

We overclock the AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT compare it to the GeForce RTX 3090 and Radeon RX 6800 XT at 1440p, and 4K, and Ray Tracing and FSR.

www.thefpsreview.com

This site had the clock at 2700 which I could not achieve. I then turned it down to 2600mhz, then 2500, etc etc and was never a stable clock. I would adjust memory down, up, whatever I could think of. No success. I eventually just left it at stock and had no issues besides high temps. I also had two power cables connected to the card and not one cable using a pig tail. So I know it had enough juice. Power supply was Corsair 1000w,

If VRAM chips were replaced and it resolved this, then that could explain it? But then show proof of that done. My knowledge is trivial on this, but this pic which was one of the last benches I did on the card shows all VRAM being read at 16Gb.

https://imgur.com/EoVKvlz

This card, even though it did give me performance issues when I first got it prior to the fixes I made, never failed me in any way and when Trinitron received it, it never failed him either. Other than him doing a repaste on the card which was expected to lower its temps.

My knowledge on PC and overclocking etc is average at best, But I thought I should share my experience in with this particular card. It would not overclock, even by a small margin.

 

[Del88]

Deal Thread URL: [Trade] - XFX RX6900XT Speedster MERC 319 urgent sale R8800 | AMD | Carbonite

Seller: @Del88
Buyer: @TRINITRON

Description of Bad Deal:

Headnote: Both sides claiming DOA gpus

Reason for delay in posting: I spent a while creating this thread and then found out their is a 20k character limit 🤦

So I have attached a pdf of the whatsapp convo instead.

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Story:

@Del88 approached me in pm asking if I would be interested in trading the TUF gpu I had listed for his MERC.

Link to my TUF thread: [Feeler] - ASUS TUF GAMING RX 6900 XT OC Edition (runs HOT) [R8500] | AMD | Carbonite

I was selling the TUF on behalf on @mopkop (because I sold it on to him after buying it initially from @StangV2_0)

Link to Stang's thread: [Feeler] - ASUS TUF GAMING RX 6900 XT OC Edition | AMD | Carbonite

So I gave @mopkop 3 options.

1. Would you like me to do a straight refund of the R8500 and take it back?
2. Would you like me to exchange it for another 6900xt? I can get my hands on an XFX merc
3. Would you like to keep it but for me to pay @mjclaas to repaste?

Mopkop understandably felt option 2 would be nice, so I went with that.
But he did comment to me that he found it strange someone would want to trade a working gpu for one with thermal issues.
But since I have seen stranger happen on carb before I didn't think much of it at the time, and Del88 said he wanted the TUF because the MERC does not fit well in his case.

So Del88 and I talked on whatsapp where we talked about the temp issues, I told him I would like to get the TUF sent for a repaste and new thermal pads first and then send it on to him. I even said id do this at my cost since by all accounts at that stage he was exchanging a merc with better thermal performance. He said that he does repastes etc himself and that he would be fine with receiving as is if I could include shipping for the merc (as per norm for trades) as he would get the gpu much quicker that way. He also expressed his desire to get it via overnight shipping.

Me being way too kind for my own good booked both for collection on Monday (14/08/2023).

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Del88 got the tuf at 12:41 on the Tuesday. While mopkop got his at 15:04

Almost immediately Del claims the TUF is DOA.
He then goes on about how he can fix it and what parts he would need and asks me if I can help with getting him a dead 6900xt etc
I tell him I'd normally just do a full refund (if this was a sale) and I don't expect him to try fix it
He is insistent on trying to fix it.
I state I recall seeing some parts on carb
I mention I could do a partial refund, he is visibly keen.
He sends me a screenshot of this: (7) [For Sale] - (Faulty) Power Color RX6800 Fighter x2 | AMD | Carbonite
So I mention I would consider R3500 and he says he would take it.

This is before mopkop got the MERC.

Everything changed after we found out the MERC was DOA.

<See the pdf>

So after I state how the MERC is not working at all and the troubleshooting doesn't resolve it, Del first appears to be sympathetic and helpful

He even says he got the TUF working.

But this changes not long later.

And when I again request to undo the trade he gets hostile.
And the same for when I request a courier to collect it.


In conclusion

I regret my heavy handed approach on the 21st but I was frustrated because this guy is not seeing the hypocrisy of what he is saying because he wants a refund because he says the MERC was fine before it left him but ignores the very same thing I say about the TUF...

Also his unwillingness to part with the TUF, where if it is truly dead it should make no difference?

Hence my current thoughts on this is that my assumption must surely be correct as I see no reason he would stick to his guns on holding onto the TUF unless it is actually working as it was JHB side and he deliberately sent a dud gpu up to keep a working one.

I also doubt any physical changes were even done to the TUF and I willing to bet the ''repairs'' where he showed me it was working and where he overclocked it (also wtf? who overclocks before stress testing) was so he could try get money from me for the cost of the ''repairs''. (who goes ahead with ''repairs'' without getting confirmation?)

In addition, regardless of the tuf situation. Why is the MERC not working? And also condition not as stated in the trade thread.

And in hindsight, his questions about shipping insurance are suspicious now, especially when he briefly tried to blame TCG later on...

I never once got hostile, ill rather say it was other way round, when you started throwing accusations that im a scammer etc.

 

[TheJudge]

Did this XFX belong to @Cxb3r ?

 

[Del88]

Theres the complete chat, nothing removed but my adress, and nothing selective.

 

[Del88]

Did this XFX belong to @Cxb3r ?

im am not sure as i Bought it from a other carb reseller, and it did come from JHB so cant say

 

[Toxxyc]

And sorry to sound blunt, or arrogant. As im not trying to be. But respectfully this reply from a admin, already tells me no matter what i say or prove you have already made up your mind that im lying? Or that im wrong? And just a question. Arent you supposed to be neutral about this? Untill you have heard both sides in order to facilitate this situation?
Yes i did confirm it was working after i had to fix it. Which it died again few moments later. But the card was definitely dead when it got to me, dog hairs and all. And yes i worked on it to get it to work, as it was dead, and yes i OCed it after i fixed and and tested it. As the way you explaining it now is not what happened. The card was dead when i got it.

I'll be honest, I've known @TRINITRON for a while. He's done me a few favours, and I've done him one or two. Did a deal or two, great guy. So I know him fairly well.

However, and I'm saying this honestly, really diplomatically, I told him via Discord chat regarding this deal, as it built up last week, that it's a difficult matter, because it's obvious both cards had their issues prior to shipping.

Asus TUF:
The Asus was bent. To me, that tells me the cooler probably didn't make proper contact where it should have, and that's why it wouldn't cool properly. This card never should have made it this far. It should have been returned to the original seller, whoever that was, when it was first picked up as having issues. Along with that, it seems this card has made it through an insurance claim, which is news to me. That means that the card belongs to whoever paid out the insurance claim on the card. I don't know who it was, but the fact that he sold the card after that is, in my opinion, very wrong, unless it was clearly stipulated that the card was paid out by an insurance company. Along with that, the card was shipped with the obvious issues, as is evident by the fact that it needed a repaste and new thermal pads ASAP. Yes, it worked, but I've seen the card being referred to as a "hot potato" in some cases - nobody wanted it.

XFX Merc:
On the other hand, the Merc also had its problems. That's obvious, since it arrived DOA. Disregarding the TUF issues above, TRINITRON would have no reason to lie about it arriving dead. I have no idea how the condition of the card was when you described it to TRI, but it definitely could not have been "oi, card's perfect, mate!". It was tested by another user on here who I am not sure if I should mention or could mention, but I trust the oke as well. His opinion of the card was, and I quote:
"Card is in physically good condition, dry thermal paste eventhough the warranty seal was broken. corrosion is evident on the gpu, but not majorily prevalent.
Used a testing platform with an iGPU on to test. card picks up when it isnt the primary gpu (using integrated). Installing drivers causes lock up and pc wont boot.
What I tried:
Repasting
Reflashing VBios
No luck, card without drivers also shows 0mb memory, leading me to believe its a memory issue, although no physical damage could be seen.
Card is at this stage faulty, or rather classified as broken. I do not believe Mop did this, it would be incredibly convienient timing for something to just "break" on it. I believe card was faulty from the Cape."'
Finally, this GPU's serial mismatching the box it came with is also an indicator that something here is iffy. Not saying @Del88 knowingly swapped a nice box to ship a dead card, but if serial numbers mismatch, you have a problem.

Now, my opinion of this deal, and I'm not accusing anyone here, I'm merely going by what I can see on the facts at hand:
Both cards had issues. Both @TRINITRON and @Del88 had cards, and both of the cards were iffy, and they knew it beforehand. It's evident by the overwhelming evidence that the Asus had overheating issues, and by the fact that the XFX's serial numbers don't match, and the warranty seal is broken. Both cards have been worked on. Both parties, in this case, hoped that the other one would have better luck with the card they're sending off.

Now it's unfortunate that, in the end, both parties got hot under the collar and things were said that I'm sure you're both sorry about, but, in this case, I can't make a call. I'm sorry, but there's just no way to be sure what's the case with any of the cards here. No manufacturer is going to touch either card in the condition they're in, and no supplier will do that either.

IMO, you're both just shit out of luck. Sorry to both of you. I'm aware that @TRINITRON is a pretty penny out of pocket, because he refunded @mopkop for a GPU that was shit to begin with, so my only advice would be to both of you, return the cards back to where they came from, and see if your own findings differ. If they differ, great, you got your working cards back. If not, well then, all parties are at a loss here, so there's no gain either.

 

[Dom]

This almost got out of hand - some guys seriously need ice for their nuts (we all know this is where it is coming from).

 

[ThatGuyJD]

TUF card:
Original info from back when @StangV2_0 got it from his friend was that it was already bent at that point. Non carb sale. Has been listed in all the threads I've seen about the card. If the new owner claims to have "fixed it" cleaning and repasting isn't a fix. Replacing a VRM component as well as 2 vram chips is a whole different matter and if he did that without very specific permission that'sstraight up weird.


Merc the Serial not matching the booklet is not an issue if this came from a reseller especially if it originated from a miner as it likely got swapped way back when. But it being DOA straight out the box unless the "seller" has proof of it working would normally be a refund from the seller.

 

[Del88]

I wish to add something here in a total neutral tone. I was the previous owner of this Asus tuf 6900xt. I find it very strange that this card was overclocked. In all the time I had it I was never able to do a successful overclock on it. I tried it a few times to see what FPS improvements I would get out of it. Not because I needed more frames, but rather out of sheer curiosity.

I followed all recommended stable settings from various sites and could never get a stable clock. No matter how little I turned it up by. One of which is here:

Overclocking AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT

We overclock the AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT compare it to the GeForce RTX 3090 and Radeon RX 6800 XT at 1440p, and 4K, and Ray Tracing and FSR.

www.thefpsreview.com

This site had the clock at 2700 which I could not achieve. I then turned it down to 2600mhz, then 2500, etc etc and was never a stable clock. I would adjust memory down, up, whatever I could think of. No success. I eventually just left it at stock and had no issues besides high temps. I also had two power cables connected to the card and not one cable using a pig tail. So I know it had enough juice. Power supply was Corsair 1000w,

If VRAM chips were replaced and it resolved this, then that could explain it? But then show proof of that done. My knowledge is trivial on this, but this pic which was one of the last benches I did on the card shows all VRAM being read at 16Gb.

https://imgur.com/EoVKvlz

This card, even though it did give me performance issues when I first got it prior to the fixes I made, never failed me in any way and when Trinitron received it, it never failed him either. Other than him doing a repaste on the card which was expected to lower its temps.

My knowledge on PC and overclocking etc is average at best, But I thought I should share my experience in with this particular card. It would not overclock, even by a small margin.

timespy results

above is the link of the time spy results default boost clocks is 2350mhz i benched it at 2650mhz and vram at 2130mhz and card was fine played apex warzone and cyberpunk and everything was fine, then it just died again and all this after ive fixed it

 

[TRINITRON]

Theres the complete chat, nothing removed but my adress, and nothing selective.

I have likewise uploaded the entire conversation from the first message to last as a pdf

But atleast I made sure to actually save your number first, not that I mind

 

[eY_b0ss]

@Del88 posted @TRINITRON 's number publicly. Mega deeeq move.

 

[ViVceptioN]

I have likewise uploaded the entire conversation from the first message to last as a pdf

But atleast I made sure to actually save your number first, not that I mind

I've removed the post from public viewing, the admin and mods can still see it tho.

 

[TRINITRON]

I am fine with returning the merc if I can get the tuf back

 

[StangV2_0]

I am fine with returning the merc if I can get the tuf back

Well if both cards aren't working then this makes sense? Let both parties get their original cards back.

 

[PsychoticKing]

Just want to add something to the story. I have dealt with @TRINITRON and @Del88 . Dealt many times with @TRINITRON never had a issue .

Did one deal with @Del88 and won't again. First off i see i never left feedback for the deal. Apologies for that, will resolve tomorrow.

A few months ago i had a Gigabyte B550m Aorus P for sale. @Del88 contacted me and offered a trade. We discussed it and he offered a 2 week old Asus B550m Prime to trade plus R800. I agreed and we went ahead with the trade. Sorted courier out and @Anna12 facilitated in receiving my board while i waited for @Del88 board to arrive. Right before courier collected @Del88 asked me to ensure that i include the backplate and brackets as he included his in the package. Couple days later received his board. Original box, no anti-static bag, no amd brackets and screws, no innards. Just the board, backplate with the invoice. Not what you would typically expect from a 2 week old board.

Checked the invoice , it was from back yard it shop with prices written with pen. Was not able to find the so called company on google. So i can contacted my suppliers to make sure the warranty as is as stated. Tested the board and all was fine so asked @Anna12 to let @Del88 collect my board.

Suppliers came back to me. Said the board was bought by Evetech 10 months ago. Asked @Del88 he said sorry he is not away he will ask the guy he got it from. Never heard anything again about that. Was unhappy with this as i believe the new board would have better resale value.

Lots of things that just don't sit right with me.

 

[Toxxyc]

I am fine with returning the merc if I can get the tuf back

This is, to me, also the best bet. @Del88 is this an option for you?

 

[Toxxyc]

Just want to add something to the story. I have dealt with @TRINITRON and @Del88 . Dealt many times with @TRINITRON never had a issue .

Did one deal with @Del88 and won't again. First off i see i never left feedback for the deal. Apologies for that, will resolve tomorrow.

A few months ago i had a Gigabyte B550m Aorus P for sale. @Del88 contacted me and offered a trade. We discussed it and he offered a 2 week old Asus B550m Prime to trade plus R800. I agreed and we went ahead with the trade. Sorted courier out and @Anna12 facilitated in receiving my board while i waited for @Del88 board to arrive. Right before courier collected @Del88 asked me to ensure that i include the backplate and brackets as he included his in the package. Couple days later received his board. Original box, no anti-static bag, no amd brackets and screws, no innards. Just the board, backplate with the invoice. Not what you would typically expect from a 2 week old board.

Checked the invoice , it was from back yard it shop with prices written with pen. Was not able to find the so called company on google. So i can contacted my suppliers to make sure the warranty as is as stated. Tested the board and all was fine so asked @Anna12 to let @Del88 collect my board.

Suppliers came back to me. Said the board was bought by Evetech 10 months ago. Asked @Del88 he said sorry he is not away he will ask the guy he got it from. Never heard anything again about that. Was unhappy with this as i believe the new board would have better resale value.

Lots of things that just don't sit right with me.

Please let the Feedback ratings do the work. Also, you should have done a Bad Deal on the topic when it happened. It could not have been long ago, since he's not been here for a long time. Thanks for the input, though. As a PS, could you check if the serial numbers on the board and box matched back then?

@Del88 I'm not saying there's a pattern, but you traded a motherboard that was "2 weeks old" that turned out to be "10 months old" and also lacking the important packaging. In fact, you claimed, and I use exact words here, "My boards a week old with box extra bought from wootware".

You also traded a 6900 Merc that's not in the condition you claim it was, and your listed reason was false. You said you didn't like the white LEDs, but you claimed another reason above.

You also seem to have shipped RAM in a PIF to @deathstar444, claiming it's "100%" and then it turned out dead.

So yeah, patterns form quickly, so be careful about what your patterns say.

 

[PsychoticKing]

@Toxxyc Original when we did the deal i did not think of it as bad deal, neutral at best. Going trough the PM now since i forgot to check it last night and ready our whatsapp convo again it has definitely changed to bad. And apologies for @TRINITRON for not seeing the really bad red flags back then but i was really busy and missed/forgot a lot of info.

"My boards a week old with box extra bought from wootware" I forgot about this, and when i questioned him on he warranty. he advise the oke/store he bought it from had it on special and that`s why he bought it. But i am pretty sure i go ask Evetech for the invoice, it would 99% be in his name. All parts where typical Evetech upgrade bundles. I don`t have the invoice anymore, i can`t remember if sent it with the board when i sold it or if i chucked it as it was meaningless. At the time i gave him benefit of the doubt.

I did check both serials matched on the board and box when i got it.

Here is the kicker that i only saw this morning. On PM he never provided me with his name. When he contact me on whatsapp he said his name was different to what we all "believe" his name is. When i sent him the packaged i used the name that was stated on Whatsapp which is the one we all now know from the other chats here. So why did he contact me with a different name initially?

After going trough this i dont believe @Del88 sent @TRINITRON a working GPU. He took a chance and sounds he thought he could blame the dead XFX on the courier and get away with it.

 

[Del88]

Just want to add something to the story. I have dealt with @TRINITRON and @Del88 . Dealt many times with @TRINITRON never had a issue .

Did one deal with @Del88 and won't again. First off i see i never left feedback for the deal. Apologies for that, will resolve tomorrow.

A few months ago i had a Gigabyte B550m Aorus P for sale. @Del88 contacted me and offered a trade. We discussed it and he offered a 2 week old Asus B550m Prime to trade plus R800. I agreed and we went ahead with the trade. Sorted courier out and @Anna12 facilitated in receiving my board while i waited for @Del88 board to arrive. Right before courier collected @Del88 asked me to ensure that i include the backplate and brackets as he included his in the package. Couple days later received his board. Original box, no anti-static bag, no amd brackets and screws, no innards. Just the board, backplate with the invoice. Not what you would typically expect from a 2 week old board.

Checked the invoice , it was from back yard it shop with prices written with pen. Was not able to find the so called company on google. So i can contacted my suppliers to make sure the warranty as is as stated. Tested the board and all was fine so asked @Anna12 to let @Del88 collect my board.

Suppliers came back to me. Said the board was bought by Evetech 10 months ago. Asked @Del88 he said sorry he is not away he will ask the guy he got it from. Never heard anything again about that. Was unhappy with this as i believe the new board would have better resale value.

Lots of things that just don't sit right with me.

like i told you, and also sent you the POP from where i bought it,and this is what the owner told me where i bought it from? whats my name got to do with this should i upload my I.D? how is this a bad deal? you yold me you not happy i still said nah i want you to be happy about the deal, your reply "its cool i guess, not much we can do about it"

so where is this coming from now? this has nothing to do with whats going on here just an opinion to sway what ever the opinion of other are, because you here longer than me influence is better i guess, im just the new guy. but its fine or should we open up a second bad deal thread and ill upload our chats there to, ill remove your number. as im trying to be really transparent here.

 

[Del88]

Please let the Feedback ratings do the work. Also, you should have done a Bad Deal on the topic when it happened. It could not have been long ago, since he's not been here for a long time. Thanks for the input, though. As a PS, could you check if the serial numbers on the board and box matched back then?

@Del88 I'm not saying there's a pattern, but you traded a motherboard that was "2 weeks old" that turned out to be "10 months old" and also lacking the important packaging. In fact, you claimed, and I use exact words here, "My boards a week old with box extra bought from wootware".

You also traded a 6900 Merc that's not in the condition you claim it was, and your listed reason was false. You said you didn't like the white LEDs, but you claimed another reason above.

You also seem to have shipped RAM in a PIF to @deathstar444, claiming it's "100%" and then it turned out dead.

So yeah, patterns form quickly, so be careful about what your patterns say.

yes the board was a week old (to me as i bought it from a shop as well and sent a picture of the pop and put the pop in the box with the board) i honestly did not know the history of it) as the board was new could see it was new etc.

oh @PsychoticKing (But i am pretty sure i go ask Evetech for the invoice, it would 99% be in his name) ok so could you please show that proof please. you know who you sold the board to should be that difficult to get the serial and contact evetech.

the ram yes i know it was mentioned to me and i updated my pif and offered to refund the courier cost so how come this is not mentioned?

guys seriously now

 

[Del88]

Please let the Feedback ratings do the work. Also, you should have done a Bad Deal on the topic when it happened. It could not have been long ago, since he's not been here for a long time. Thanks for the input, though. As a PS, could you check if the serial numbers on the board and box matched back then?

@Del88 I'm not saying there's a pattern, but you traded a motherboard that was "2 weeks old" that turned out to be "10 months old" and also lacking the important packaging. In fact, you claimed, and I use exact words here, "My boards a week old with box extra bought from wootware".

You also traded a 6900 Merc that's not in the condition you claim it was, and your listed reason was false. You said you didn't like the white LEDs, but you claimed another reason above.

You also seem to have shipped RAM in a PIF to @deathstar444, claiming it's "100%" and then it turned out dead.

So yeah, patterns form quickly, so be careful about what your patterns say.

yes i didnt like the white leds as i couldnt change it, and few days after i got the card and happy with it i didnt like the fact that i could mount my aio where i wanted it hence why i wanted a shorter card which i made a post way before @TRINITRON ad came up, looking to trade my card for a powercolour or asus, few days after that i saw a asus for sale so i changed my trade to a full sale as the guy was here in cape town and didnt want to do the trade and wanted cash. the sale was going slow the saw @TRINITRON ad, yes i knew the issue of the card (for people wondering why i would swop a working card for a defective one) and i asked him if its only a over heating issue, he said yes asked him if the card artifacts ect he said no. so yes i knew thats fixable etc, how ever when the card got to me, i poped it in and nothing, tried 2nd bios nothing, i then asked if i can open it, he said yes as im going to do the thermal pads anyway (or something to that effect cant remember exactly how that chat went) but the go ahead was given. i then sent him pics of the condition of the card which was full of dirt and hair and notice the 1 vrm was not only corroded but moved aswell, and 1 vram chip was fried i didnt know about the second one yet. (all this info is in the whatsapp chat that was uploaded) but anyway replaced the vrm and vram chip card still didnt boot, got out my multimeter to check for resistance this is when i found the 2nd vram chip, replaced it and advised him about this aswell, tested it and it booted. then replaced the thermal pads which i already bought and paste and card was working fine tested it benchmarked it played games etc, then while watching youtube card starts to artifact again and i sent him a video of this aswell and not long afterwards same issue pc shuts down and wont boot and thats how i left it till now (even though i know it could just maybe be a solding i did wrong or something) i know im able to fix it hence why we at this situation. because he got my XFX and next day told me its also dead (and yes there is proof as i sent him videos of me playing cyberpunk and showed him the temps etc which he was happy with hence we went forth with the deal) because me being new he wanted proof the card was working and i sent him proof. and this was the night before shipping. the morning i removed the card packed it and waited for the courier (which was late due to them having a backlog due to the taxi strike that happened here. so now i have to take back a dead card and im out the pocket for the thermal pads (which wasnt cheap) and he has a asus which is a simple fix. i asked him to send me the xfx let me see what went wrong if im able to fix it i will and will send his asus back, provided he refund me the money i spent on it. he refused he first wants the asus then we will sned me back the xfx and refuses to refund me. so what do we do with regards to this now?

 

[Toxxyc]

yes the board was a week old (to me as i bought it from a shop as well and sent a picture of the pop and put the pop in the box with the board) i honestly did not know the history of it) as the board was new could see it was new etc.

oh @PsychoticKing (But i am pretty sure i go ask Evetech for the invoice, it would 99% be in his name) ok so could you please show that proof please. you know who you sold the board to should be that difficult to get the serial and contact evetech.

the ram yes i know it was mentioned to me and i updated my pif and offered to refund the courier cost so how come this is not mentioned?

guys seriously now

Thing is, you specifically stated "bought from Wootware". But you didn't buy it from Wootware, you bought it from some random shop that can't even do a decent printed invoice. So that's an outright lie, not even a mistake. It's pure deception.

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Mate, there's a few issues here. Not one, not two, but three issues. You're new here, and those three issues (and those are only the three mentioned here, I know of another one) are in short succession, all with a similar story. Like I said, patterns.

Sometimes deals happen and you lose on them. In this case, you spent money on thermal pads. @TRINITRON spent money on shipping. I'm spending time on this issue here. Other people are spending money on popcorn while reading all this.

IMO, just reverse the deal and get it over with. If the Merc is fine, like you claim it was, then there's no harm, no foul, and you get a nice working card back that you can sell or trade or whatever. Tri gets his Asus back, and all's where it was before the deal was done. Nobody is getting paid for anything here, it was a trade, and swapping back is just the same. That being said, I understand his worry, that he'll send the Merc and you'll just disappear with the Asus. He's been on here MUCH longer than you, and he can be trusted. IMO, send him back the Asus, and I'm sure he'll send the Merc as soon as the Asus arrives. He's got nothing to lose here. He's already lost all he can. He already refunded a guy for the Asus, so he's out R9k with nothing to show for it. Literally nothing.

 

[PsychoticKing]

like i told you, and also sent you the POP from where i bought it,and this is what the owner told me where i bought it from? whats my name got to do with this should i upload my I.D? how is this a bad deal? you yold me you not happy i still said nah i want you to be happy about the deal, your reply "its cool i guess, not much we can do about it"

so where is this coming from now? this has nothing to do with whats going on here just an opinion to sway what ever the opinion of other are, because you here longer than me influence is better i guess, im just the new guy. but its fine or should we open up a second bad deal thread and ill upload our chats there to, ill remove your number. as im trying to be really transparent he

It`s simple. i was to busy when we did our deal to really care about it being a bad deal and sort things, i got the board, i could sell for little less than i though but it worked out in the end for me. I felt bad for you as you wanted to buy the ram i had for sale at the time but you said your misses did not approve. i know how that feels. I did not want to pressure you for more cash or anything i just took the deal for what it is but decided that i would not deal with you again as things are not what you say.

Looking back at our chats is what made me come state my deal with you. Not because i am trying to sway it in the other parties favor. The fact that i feel your not to be trusted is why i am replying.

You messaged me on carb saying the board is from wootware? So it was not from wootware you bought it from someone else that is not wootware.
You messaged me on whatsapp saying your name is Brian. Whatsapp everyone else that dealt with you says other wise.

You sent this message: "Just want to confirm the back plate and plastic clips for the cooler comes with the board right as i sent mine with the board" Where when i received your board it only had the backplate, no plastic clips.

See a pattern here?

 

[Del88]

It`s simple. i was to busy when we did our deal to really care about it being a bad deal and sort things, i got the board, i could sell for little less than i though but it worked out in the end for me. I felt bad for you as you wanted to buy the ram i had for sale at the time but you said your misses did not approve. i know how that feels. I did not want to pressure you for more cash or anything i just took the deal for what it is but decided that i would not deal with you again as things are not what you say.

Looking back at our chats is what made me come state my deal with you. Not because i am trying to sway it in the other parties favor. The fact that i feel your not to be trusted is why i am replying.

You messaged me on carb saying the board is from wootware? So it was not from wootware you bought it from someone else that is not wootware.
You messaged me on whatsapp saying your name is Brian. Whatsapp everyone else that dealt with you says other wise.

You sent this message: "Just want to confirm the back plate and plastic clips for the cooler comes with the board right as i sent mine with the board" Where when i received your board it only had the backplate, no plastic clips.

See a pattern here?

What pattern?

 

[mujeeb1]

As moderator of PIF, I've been made privy to information about dealings with @Del88 .
It's not the first time thing's have come to him "broken". One member PIF'd a board he bought from him that ended up being DOA.
I account for a 3tb HDD that was DOA and a mobo so far.
@Hamz1121 can confirm

 

[Del88]

Thing is, you specifically stated "bought from Wootware". But you didn't buy it from Wootware, you bought it from some random shop that can't even do a decent printed invoice. So that's an outright lie, not even a mistake. It's pure deception.



Mate, there's a few issues here. Not one, not two, but three issues. You're new here, and those three issues (and those are only the three mentioned here, I know of another one) are in short succession, all with a similar story. Like I said, patterns.

Sometimes deals happen and you lose on them. In this case, you spent money on thermal pads. @TRINITRON spent money on shipping. I'm spending time on this issue here. Other people are spending money on popcorn while reading all this.

IMO, just reverse the deal and get it over with. If the Merc is fine, like you claim it was, then there's no harm, no foul, and you get a nice working card back that you can sell or trade or whatever. Tri gets his Asus back, and all's where it was before the deal was done. Nobody is getting paid for anything here, it was a trade, and swapping back is just the same. That being said, I understand his worry, that he'll send the Merc and you'll just disappear with the Asus. He's been on here MUCH longer than you, and he can be trusted. IMO, send him back the Asus, and I'm sure he'll send the Merc as soon as the Asus arrives. He's got nothing to lose here. He's already lost all he can. He already refunded a guy for the Asus, so he's out R9k with nothing to show for it. Literally nothing.

Please go see the price of what thermal grizzly pads cost the 2mm and 3mm pads
Yes the merc was fine and now its not, and i have no idea whats wrong with it now.
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I know whats wrong with the asus. He didnt send me any proof of the asus thats working i took his word for it, i sent proof the xfx is working. Im not even counting in the cost for the card for the parts so that 300 for shipping is nothing compared to what i spent.
And seen that he cant trust me (which is now weird) how can i trust him? like i said refund my cost i spent on the card send the xfx let me see whats wrong there and ill send his asus back if the xfx if fixable. If i cant ill send the xfx back. I even gave him the opportunity to send someone till here to come check the asus to see that its really dead, he didnt want to.
Ive sold my 6600xt, ive sold my rx6800 where people paid me first, and i shipped the items and had no issues.