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Need some advice here. Going to pick up another 1000 soon in the next coming months. I am pretty set on a ZX10R, as the 2014/2015 models are great value and reliable and all. The other bike I really love is the MV Agusta F4, and that's where the advice part comes in. They have some really affordable ones available, really enjoy the 2012 one.

Does anyone here know anyone who owns an F3 or F4? Will it be super pricey to maintain? Would it take forever to get parts etc? What are the drawbacks of just pulling the trigger on the F4 over getting the ZX10R basically?

what are you going to be using the bike for?

No SuperSport bike should be used as a daily but the newer ZX10s are really track geared and you can feel it. Making it a daily even more off putting.

 

[ghostbunny]

what are you going to be using the bike for?

No SuperSport bike should be used as a daily but the newer ZX10s are really track geared and you can feel it. Making it a daily even more off putting.

I feel like saying no supersport should be used as a daily is more of an opinion than anything else. I have used a supersport for a daily and I am perfectly comfortable doing so. I understand there are more comfortable options out there, but that is all a matter of preference as far as I am concerned. As for power delivery and all that, sure, it might be a bit less fun in bumper to bumper traffic, but that doesn't put me off anyway.

 

[PandaAttack1]

what are you going to be using the bike for?

No SuperSport bike should be used as a daily but the newer ZX10s are really track geared and you can feel it. Making it a daily even more off putting.

That's just, like your opinion man. Jokes aside,

You can definitely daily on a supersport. Iv'e commuted a lot with my 1299. What it loses in comfort, it more than makes up for in performance. If you can handle the 'discomfort' and the maintenance is manageable, I don't see why commuting daily on a supersport is an issue at all? It's not the 'best' commuting option out there. It's definitely not the most practical. But it IS the most fun option.

On this topic, I've had my fair share of people deciding if my bikes are comfortable for me or not. Kek. I ride 800km on my 1299 and other riders don't believe me when I say I'm fine? Try 10+ hours for 2 consecutive days in the Maluti mountains then we can talk about comfort.

Edit: Few things open traffic up like rev bombing on a straight piped 1000cc inline four.

 

[dA_k1D]

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Stuck making this decision and everybody internationally is like "Don't do it, RC sucks and only buy second hand" where most good condition Ninja 400's are literally R85k and brand new is R90-95k and brand new is R99k so why even bother at that point?

I've owned a couple of KTM's in my life, also know a few guys with KTM's, one with a 2021 Duke 390


In all honesty...all bikes will give some sort of issue down the line. I would suggest buying new because you have that warranty backing. The quick shifters on those bikes do give issues, my uncle has suffered from this and the friend with the 390 duke, but at least you have warranty to sort it out

KTM services are expensive [period] - so be prepared for that

Apart from that, lovely bikes, epic looks, great fun!

 

[ghostbunny]

I've owned a couple of KTM's in my life, also know a few guys with KTM's, one with a 2021 Duke 390


In all honesty...all bikes will give some sort of issue down the line. I would suggest buying new because you have that warranty backing. The quick shifters on those bikes do give issues, my uncle has suffered from this and the friend with the 390 duke, but at least you have warranty to sort it out

KTM services are expensive [period] - so be prepared for that

Apart from that, lovely bikes, epic looks, great fun!

I phoned KTM Durban on his behalf and they said service every 7500km or every year whichever comes first at around R2500. The KTM guy also ball park figured the major service cost at about R4500. Doesn't seem so bad?

 

[ghostbunny]

That's just, like your opinion man. Jokes aside,

You can definitely daily on a supersport. Iv'e commuted a lot with my 1299. What it loses in comfort, it more than makes up for in performance. If you can handle the 'discomfort' and the maintenance is manageable, I don't see why commuting daily on a supersport is an issue at all? It's not the 'best' commuting option out there. It's definitely not the most practical. But it IS the most fun option.

On this topic, I've had my fair share of people deciding if my bikes are comfortable for me or not. Kek. I ride 800km on my 1299 and other riders don't believe me when I say I'm fine? Try 10+ hours for 2 consecutive days in the Maluti mountains then we can talk about comfort.

Edit: Few things open traffic up like rev bombing on a straight piped 1000cc inline four.

We on the same wavelength

 

[Sub-lime]

Maybe look at getting something bigger for him than a 390. Ninja 650, nice linear power and sporty with a more relaxed position.

I jumped from a 150 to a K7 Gsxr1000 lol. It was an eye opener but took me about a week to get used to it and within a month I felt comfortable with its power, quirks and my ability with it. Knowing your own limitations are key. A 390 is plenty fast to get yourself into a pickle much like anything else within reason.

But like it's said, you like the RC, buy the RC, enjoy the RC. Either way you will have fun times!

 

[dA_k1D]

I phoned KTM Durban on his behalf and they said service every 7500km or every year whichever comes first at around R2500. The KTM guy also ball park figured the major service cost at about R4500. Doesn't seem so bad?

Ok that seems normal, i'm used to my 990 Adventure services prices, averaging 4-5k for normal services and in the 7k for major

 

[ghostbunny]

Maybe look at getting something bigger for him than a 390. Ninja 650, nice linear power and sporty with a more relaxed position.

I jumped from a 150 to a K7 Gsxr1000 lol. It was an eye opener but took me about a week to get used to it and within a month I felt comfortable with its power, quirks and my ability with it. Knowing your own limitations are key. A 390 is plenty fast to get yourself into a pickle much like anything else within reason.

But like it's said, you like the RC, buy the RC, enjoy the RC. Either way you will have fun times!

I have been considering this, although I wouldn't just seat him on a 1000 for his first. My main consideration is a modern 600 with rider modes so you can essentially bring the engine down to 60%.

He's not super fond of the idea of getting on a larger bike although he does love them. Will have to see how it goes. Ninja 650 doesn't really offer much over the new 390, even in terms of top end, it's quite odd. New one apparently tops out at around 185.

If anything it'd be a pretty large price jump and a zx6r with everything dialed down if not the rc.

As for going from a 150 to a GSXR 1000, I did a similar thing many years ago, except it was from a 250 to an older GSXR 1000. Power difference is enormous, if you're really disciplined and have lots of experience it is most definitely doable.

 

[Sub-lime]

A 390 isn't coming close to 180kph, I've flat tapped one and got to around 155kph+- being a lightweight rider. Even getting to 155ish from 140 was a slow pickup.

Don't read too much into paper specs. Reviews are often paid or limited on what to say by brand terms.

A 650 has significantly more torque along the rev range and will be a much nicer bike to ride. Overtaking and cruising at highway speeds will be less dramatic. Granted the 390 can do these things but you're having to ride it far more aggressively to keep it fun.

If you're worried about him getting on a bigger bike then top speed shouldn't be of concern.

Too add there isn't much gain on a 390 with add-ons. A Ninja 650 with a pipe and tune can make it feel a while lot better. 650's are generally detuned for reliability and rideability.

 

[ghostbunny]

A 390 isn't coming close to 180kph, I've flat tapped one and got to around 155kph+- being a lightweight rider. Even getting to 155ish from 140 was a slow pickup.

Don't read too much into paper specs. Reviews are often paid or limited on what to say by brand terms.

A 650 has significantly more torque along the rev range and will be a much nicer bike to ride. Overtaking and cruising at highway speeds will be less dramatic. Granted the 390 can do these things but you're having to ride it far more aggressively to keep it fun.

If you're worried about him getting on a bigger bike then top speed shouldn't be of concern.

Too add there isn't much gain on a 390 with add-ons. A Ninja 650 with a pipe and tune can make it feel a while lot better. 650's are generally detuned for reliability and rideability.

I have had my fair share of riding experience, over a decade, I know the paper specs don't mean much.
I didn't get the ball park figures of top end from a review, I got it from KTM themselves for the 2022 edition.

I'm not worried about the top end, and I'm not worried about him getting on a bigger bike, he is more worried about getting on a bigger bike. I ride superbikes, so in my opinion, the pros of having the power available to get yourself out of certain situations is just as important as anything else.

The riding aids aren't add ons, they're stock standard like cornering ABS, TC, and all of the stuff you would find on a modern superbike.

This is why I said I believe the only viable choices here for those particular wants, all things considered including the style of bike he likes, would be the 390 or something like a modern zx6r tuned down.

 

[PandaAttack1]

I have had my fair share of riding experience, over a decade, I know the paper specs don't mean much.
I didn't get the ball park figures of top end from a review, I got it from KTM themselves for the 2022 edition.

I'm not worried about the top end, and I'm not worried about him getting on a bigger bike, he is more worried about getting on a bigger bike. I ride superbikes, so in my opinion, the pros of having the power available to get yourself out of certain situations is just as important as anything else.

The riding aids aren't add ons, they're stock standard like cornering ABS, TC, and all of the stuff you would find on a modern superbike.

This is why I said I believe the only viable choices here for those particular wants, all things considered including the style of bike he likes, would be the 390 or something like a modern zx6r tuned down.

I haven't read all the suggestions and responses in depth, and I don't want to make an option rich decision more challenging... But....

I've yet to meet someone on the street that has kept their RC for longer than 6 months. (Except for those that doesn't have an opportunity to upgrade yet). The reason is almost always lack of power. Granted, it is a beginner/starter bike (or fantastic track toy). The 2022 might be a different animal altogether though.

It seems like you guys have made up your minds anyway. Just go buy the small orange bike and get that dude on the road. It's been too long man. 🤣

 

[ghostR]

It seems like you guys have made up your minds anyway. Just go buy the small orange bike and get that dude on the road. It's been too long man. 🤣

HEY HEY HEY! We have been trying okay, just getting out business off the ground has kinda taken priority and all our time and resources.

I can't wait to get out there and even if I do get bored of it (highly doubt) we will probably do a trade-in so I can eventually join the big boys 600cc club!

 

[ghostbunny]

I haven't read all the suggestions and responses in depth, and I don't want to make an option rich decision more challenging... But....

I've yet to meet someone on the street that has kept their RC for longer than 6 months. (Except for those that doesn't have an opportunity to upgrade yet). The reason is almost always lack of power. Granted, it is a beginner/starter bike (or fantastic track toy). The 2022 might be a different animal altogether though.

It seems like you guys have made up your minds anyway. Just go buy the small orange bike and get that dude on the road. It's been too long man. 🤣

That's the thing hey, I'm almost on the fence about him getting a ZX6R off the bat and tuning it down, I can teach him everything I know either way. Might go the trade in and upgrade to it though when it is time.

 

[dA_k1D]

Cape Town is a fitting scene for my Speed Twin

https://imgur.com/a/N7s2RPP

https://imgur.com/a/eNgk7Bw

 

[ghostR]

You can start and learn on a ZX6R right.... right.......

 

[ovisser1]

You can start and learn on a ZX6R right.... right.......

I normally stay out of this kind of discussion, but I have to say;
It can be done, weather it's a smart idea or not is 100% up to you and what your self control looks like.

If you're uncomfortable doing so, don't do it.

But it can be done.

I know people who started on a 1000cc supersport and never had an accident, but I also know people that died on a 150cc. It's all up to you and what you're comfortable with.

 

[PandaAttack1]

You can start and learn on a ZX6R right.... right.......

Yes, you can. Question is, should you. I started my road bike adventures on a S1000R. But I had years of offroad racing experience behind me and I am really comfortable on a bike. Within a year I looped her and as a result I couldn't sit for a month. It was an accident that could've been easily avoided if I wasn't so reckless on the road. The same accident would've happened in my case even if I started on a small bike.

Should you though? Probably not. Everything is more sensitive on a bike with more power. If you have never ridden bikes before, and you plan on getting a big boy fast bike, I would suggest getting something like a used 250. Ride it for a few months and sell, then buy the zx6r.

That few months on the small bike will get you to grips with traffic and how speed influences the time you have to react to stuff etc. It will also make you appreciate the ZX so much more. My only regret with starting big is I made upgrading so much more difficult (read expensive) for myself.

Now I'm selling my 1299 and buying a 600 sometime this year. Go figure.

 

[PandaAttack1]

Cape Town is a fitting scene for my Speed Twin

https://imgur.com/a/N7s2RPP

https://imgur.com/a/eNgk7Bw

Do you scrape pegs on that bad boi?

 

[dA_k1D]

Do you scrape pegs on that bad boi?

Grinding it smooth 😄 I'm actually looking for adjustable foot pegs to put on the bike, the stock ones are just a tad too low, and rear suspension is not equipped for sport riding

 

[dA_k1D]

You can start and learn on a ZX6R right.... right.......

It can be done yes, go do a driving school hosted by professionals and you should be just fine

Do not learn in the streets, do not race in the streets, take it to the track to learn the bike and essential skills

 

[Spontaneous.Spinach]

Come on , it will be one year for me owning my RC on the 25th of this month.
Why no tag me!!!?

I love my bike even though it lacks top end to be considered a fast boy , I'm extremely happy!

 

[Areola Grande]

Come on , it will be one year for me owning my RC on the 25th of this month.
Why no tag me!!!?

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Image are broked.

 

[Spontaneous.Spinach]

Lol maybe it was picture of my noodle , I changed it [emoji14][emoji106]

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[PandaAttack1]

Come on , it will be one year for me owning my RC on the 25th of this month.
Why no tag me!!!?

I love my bike even though it lacks top end to be considered a fast boy , I'm extremely happy!

So sad we can't get the 1290 in this format......

 

[Wacko_ZA]

fast boy? if you ride this thing right on a track you will be HURTING most b and c group riders with a smile! I agree with @PandaAttack1 we need a 1290 version again!

yours looks sick though spinach sir.
May I recommend some engine covers and frame sliders though

 

[ghostR]

Just saw these at tekkie town

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[ghostR]

Come on , it will be one year for me owning my RC on the 25th of this month.
Why no tag me!!!?

I love my bike even though it lacks top end to be considered a fast boy , I'm extremely happy!

Thinking of the 2022 edition. Any issues with your RC? Anything that grinds your gears. I'm toontempted to get one.

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[Wacko_ZA]

Just saw these at tekkie town

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as a former Ducati fanboy, I am entitled to say they would be similar quality to most ducati's too i am guessing

 

[PandaAttack1]

Just saw these at tekkie town

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Just go buy Nikes. Better bang for buck. Don't want to be wearing Ducati clothing without owning a Ducati. And you don't want to own a Ducati, sooo.