Toyota 86 Opinions and Residual Question

[LazyDemoni]

Strange, maybe the turbo makes the power feel more "readily" available, but apart from the 100Kgs lighter, they put out the same KW, just the torque is different

The torque is probably available lower down. The thin air in JHB makes all NA cars less powerful than at the coast.

 

[Cedz700]

Hi there,

I am currently driving the 2015 86' in burnt orange. The car itself is very reliable. I get about 12-13km/liter average fuel usage 95 (AC always on and pushing the pedal to the metal from time to time)

Then, your question about the limited edition, the limited edition has red leather seat trims, has the rear wing spoiler and also a different gearbox knob colour as far as I know. So if the car does not have the wing, it most probably is not the limited. In terms of performance it is exactly the same though.

3. In terms of second hand value. The car seems to have none whatsoever, especially if you use it as a daily driver. FYI, I bought mine directly from the factory in Nov 2015, car was worth over R440k and when I wanted to trade in the car two weeks ago @ 43,000km, Toyota offered me a mere R230k for it. I also put on R60k worth of extras, body kits, suspension brackets, smash and grab, etc. (Not that extras help you with second hand value, but it just proves my point even more). Ford offered me R200k and I have not bothered looking further.

4. Insurance is a hectic on this car, I am currently 27 years old and have a decent crash record (only two claims in the past, of which both times people drove into me, once while driving from behind and once while I was parked and heard a crash outside:grumpy: ) I pay a monthly amount of R2300 for the car at Discovery and Outsurance paid me R400 cause they came up with something like R3000 a month. Your monthly payment might differ based on record.

5. The cars power is more than sufficient, however, this is not a drag race car and most smaller cars like the Fiesta ST will most probably beat it in a head on race, however this is a drifting car and the handling and centre of gravity is insane! I have taken corners I would not dare with another car!
The only reason you would lack power is if you are drifting and you wish to keep the drift longer, although not a lot of people can afford tyres, so not much drifting from that side. 0-100 is about 7 seconds, not the fastest, but it does go to about 7000-7500 revs before warning you and cutting out. The engine is very reliable and I have not gotten a days problems mechanically.
Service intervals are every 15,000km.

6. The car comes with almost all the extras, such as seat warmers, cruise control, climate control (two seperate controls for both passenger and driver, which is noice!)

7. The car has almost no boot space, and the rear seats are more like a "storage area" for laptop bags or grocery bags.

Overall the car is fun to drive, but take everything into account and make your decision. Let me know if you have more questions.

 

[nan0s0ldier]

Haha, I can't even find pricing on the headers/brz exhaust



Still no clue where I can get the spoiler either XD

Spoilers and the exhaust you can get from a Toyota Dealer but its expensive... Getting one made would be much cheaper. Last time i checked the exhaust was just shy of 20k.

 

[Cedz700]

Spoilers and the exhaust you can get from a Toyota Dealer but its expensive... Getting one made would be much cheaper. Last time i checked the exhaust was just shy of 20k.

Got a quote last time of R22k at Toyota... but it does not add any real world performance according to what I was told, at least not bang for buck performance, so I kept my stock exhausts.

 

[nan0s0ldier]

Got a quote last time of R22k at Toyota... but it does not add any real world performance according to what I was told, at least not bang for buck performance, so I kept my stock exhausts.

You'd get a better gain just doing a Turbo conversion in my opinion... Or chipping it

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

If it was me, I would drive the KIA till its paid up fully, cheaper fuel and insurance costs anyway in that time,
save say for 6 more months after that the monthly payment of the KIA, which I assume is R4.5K now?
R4.5K x 6 = R27K, take that + the R100K odd you will get for the KIA, and chuck in another R30K from saving or something and buy a 08/09 135i cash.

Thank me later.

 

[Emissary_of_Pain]

If it was me, I would drive the KIA till its paid up fully, cheaper fuel and insurance costs anyway in that time,
save say for 6 more months after that the monthly payment of the KIA, which I assume is R4.5K now?
R4.5K x 6 = R27K, take that + the R100K odd you will get for the KIA, and chuck in another R30K from saving or something and buy a 08/09 135i cash.

Thank me later.

At the moment I pay R3600 on the Kia, and fuel consumption ain't so great on it ... haha ... Getting 10km/l

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

At the moment I pay R3600 on the Kia, and fuel consumption ain't so great on it ... haha ... Getting 10km/l

Trust me, it's going to be worse on the 86, anyway, debt is a bastard, and a residual is kak, you will on a 72 month agreement with a residual especially a big one, buy yourself a one way ticket to never owning a car in your name, ever.
Drive the KIA, pay it up, save a bit more, go and buy a nice car as close to cash as humanly possible that is still fun to drive, E.g 135i

 

[D3TTOL]

Trust me, it's going to be worse on the 86, anyway, debt is a bastard, and a residual is kak, you will on a 72 month agreement with a residual especially a big one, buy yourself a one way ticket to never owning a car in your name, ever.
Drive the KIA, pay it up, save a bit more, go and buy a nice car as close to cash as humanly possible that is still fun to drive, E.g 135i

This dude has the right idea xD

I owe on a car and soon on a bike. I will be able to get rid of the debt on the bike early next year. The car.... yea... costs a lot more.

 

[Emissary_of_Pain]

The main issue with the Kia is after sales service ... It's basically non-existent


And sadly my wife believes in services only done by the vehicle manufacturer ... sigh

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

The main issue with the Kia is after sales service ... It's basically non-existent


And sadly my wife believes in services only done by the vehicle manufacturer ... sigh

If you think after sales service sucks, wait till the gaping hole that is unnecessary debt gets hold of you, oh boy, it makes dealing with one douche bag once a year feel like a breeze.

Just a quick little sum I did for you, at R280K, if you give lets say a R40K deposit,
Take a balloon of 15%, rate of 14% over 72 months, this will give you a monhtly repayment of R4663
You will be paying back R335 736 (EXCLUDING) the R42 000 that will also have to pay after 6 years.
The grand total then comes to R377736.11 over the next 6 years...

R130K worth of interest...
Because you hate KIA customer service

Look at it this way, it will pay you R21K per year in interest or R1.75K Per month, not to buy the car

 

[Emissary_of_Pain]

Stop sounding so right about this ... lol ... I was getting my hopes up for this car .. hahaha


Luckily my wife and I are still in the discussion phase ... so lets see what happens ...

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

Stop sounding so right about this ... lol ... I was getting my hopes up for this car .. hahaha


Luckily my wife and I are still in the discussion phase ... so lets see what happens ...

I could make this even worse...
If you where to start like today, to save just the difference between the R3600 you are paying now, and the R4660 the new monthly payment will be (now we are not even talking about the insurance/tires and fuel savings, just the repayment savings)
If you save R1060 over 72 months at say 10% return (compounded yearly) you will have a cool R103,381.22 waiting for you in the bank, instead of a R42K residual bill.

anyway, the choice is yours

 

[D3TTOL]

If you think after sales service sucks, wait till the gaping hole that is unnecessary debt gets hold of you, oh boy, it makes dealing with one douche bag once a year feel like a breeze.

Just a quick little sum I did for you, at R280K, if you give lets say a R40K deposit,
Take a balloon of 15%, rate of 14% over 72 months, this will give you a monhtly repayment of R4663
You will be paying back R335 736 (EXCLUDING) the R42 000 that will also have to pay after 6 years.
The grand total then comes to R377736.11 over the next 6 years...

R130K worth of interest...
Because you hate KIA customer service

Look at it this way, it will pay you R21K per year in interest or R1.75K Per month, not to buy the car

oooorr

I buy a bike for R95K with 15% interest and a R25K deposit. With a warranty added etc etc I will owe R77k. Monthly payments will be roughly R2300 pm for 60 months.
I can drop R10K every so often on top of the R2.3K every month which means I can pay it off in under a year.

 

[Cedz700]

I could make this even worse...
If you where to start like today, to save just the difference between the R3600 you are paying now, and the R4660 the new monthly payment will be (now we are not even talking about the insurance/tires and fuel savings, just the repayment savings)
If you save R1060 over 72 months at say 10% return (compounded yearly) you will have a cool R103,381.22 waiting for you in the bank, instead of a R42K residual bill.

anyway, the choice is yours

You are assuming a 10% ROI, based on what and where? Cause currently I think the best a bank gives you is 7% odd... and you need to invest atleast R100k...
Unless you talking about another investment, which will entail other risks...

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

You are assuming a 10% ROI, based on what and where? Cause currently I think the best a bank gives you is 7% odd... and you need to invest atleast R100k...
Unless you talking about another investment, which will entail other risks...

10% in rand terms is pretty easy to get, but you are right, not in cash, you will have to dip into the equity market to get there.
but as for cash, you can get 5.9% at FNB in a tax free deposit account with as little as R1000 in it, and its a sliding scale all the way up to 7.15%
R20K+ get you 6.75% so pretty close to 7, but seeing as its over 6 years and not like 2 or 3 I think any top 40 ETF should easily give him 10% without too much risk.

 

[z3llin]

You are assuming a 10% ROI, based on what and where? Cause currently I think the best a bank gives you is 7% odd... and you need to invest atleast R100k...
Unless you talking about another investment, which will entail other risks...

A local investment will not give 10% a lot of the top rated funds are struggling to hit 5%, but even then thats making more money than going into a lot of debt for a car.

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

oooorr

I buy a bike for R95K with 15% interest and a R25K deposit. With a warranty added etc etc I will owe R77k. Monthly payments will be roughly R2300 pm for 60 months.
I can drop R10K every so often on top of the R2.3K every month which means I can pay it off in under a year.

DaFque did you get to R2300?
R95K over 60 months with a R25k deposit and 15% interest rate gives me R1755 pm, anyway.

You are right, bikes are cheap, sadly, some of us live in area's where it rains a lot, and the mussus would laugh at the idea of a bike for my household, but yeah
if you wife is cool with it, why not?

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

A local investment will not give 10% a lot of the top rated funds are struggling to hit 5%, but even then thats making more money than going into a lot of debt for a car.

You can easily get 10% in rand terms, maybe not dollar terms, If you are just tracking the index you can easily get 10% (if all goes well), the all share index is already up 9.78% over the past 90 days.

 

[DeathByIp]

Insurance will hurt your soul on the car.
Paying R1500 for the car at 26. This is after getting cheaper quotes every 6 months. Started at 2.2k a month for insurance
Great drivers car albeit I’m considering selling mine and getting something more future proof.

Services are R1.8-2k a pop. 90k service is the expensive one at R9k or something.

Petrol usage is around 9l/100 if you do stop and go traffic and 7.7ish if you are on the freeway.

 

[Noodle]

Stop sounding so right about this ... lol ... I was getting my hopes up for this car .. hahaha


Luckily my wife and I are still in the discussion phase ... so lets see what happens ...

This is where I'm at with the car, although I'm looking for the dark blue or grey.
Almost pulled the trigger, but the wife talked sense into me - we're waiting till December to see what bonuses are like, otherwise only going to buy after raises next year (when I turn 30!). Until then, we're just putting away the payment amount into an interest account.

From my test drives I've found the car is really enjoyable to drive, put a massive grin on my face. I plan on keeping it for a long time, so hopefully the resale value won't be an issue for me.
From all my research, unless you break something the servicing is rather affordable and you can do it yourself in most cases - except for spark plugs at 100k where you basically have to remove the engine. [MENTION=24460]nan0s0ldier[/MENTION] might be able to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Noodle]

Insurance will hurt your soul on the car.
Paying R1500 for the car at 26. This is after getting cheaper quotes every 6 months. Started at 2.2k a month for insurance

I was a little surprised at my quote of R1400 from Discovery - I claimed last year for a bus rear ending me. I'm hoping I can bargain between them and Outsurance when the time comes as I hear Outsurance have a decent discount if you do the Toyota 86 (or any other) advanced driver's course.

 

[nan0s0ldier]

This is where I'm at with the car, although I'm looking for the dark blue or grey.
Almost pulled the trigger, but the wife talked sense into me - we're waiting till December to see what bonuses are like, otherwise only going to buy after raises next year (when I turn 30!). Until then, we're just putting away the payment amount into an interest account.

From my test drives I've found the car is really enjoyable to drive, put a massive grin on my face. I plan on keeping it for a long time, so hopefully the resale value won't be an issue for me.
From all my research, unless you break something the servicing is rather affordable and you can do it yourself in most cases - except for spark plugs at 100k where you basically have to remove the engine. [MENTION=24460]nan0s0ldier[/MENTION] might be able to correct me if I'm wrong.

It is a mission to do spark plugs on the 86 yes. Luckily our Mechanics went on training specifically for these vehicle and have the tools to be able to do the job in just under 2 hours. yes the plugs are expensive. Basically R1100 but they only get changed every 90000kms because the spark plugs used are Iridium tipped.

 

[g0l1athrulz]

It is a mission to do spark plugs on the 86 yes. Luckily our Mechanics went on training specifically for these vehicle and have the tools to be able to do the job in just under 2 hours. yes the plugs are expensive. Basically R1100 but they only get changed every 90000kms because the spark plugs used are Iridium tipped.

Midas is around r175-r250 per plug, dont know bout the 86, but on my old wrx, changing plugs is 45min job, 90k seevice probly has all fluids changed aswell?

Subaru(impreza/ect) the 12500km seevices are cheap(oil and filter),
50000km services cost slightly more(all fluids(brake, oil, gearbox oil, diff oil, antifreeze, ect),
100000km service is expensive, all the above + cambelt and waterpump), luckily tge 86 uses a chain.


And if you ever feel that fa20 is sliw, im sure you can fit an ez36 in there (the engine i would have fitted if i was toyota), around 200kw 350nm[emoji48] and still n/a


Oh, and as for brakes, im sure you can fit subaru 4pot calipers (01-07 wrx) yo the front, and if you willinf to change wheels, 01-04 sti brembos should also just bolt on

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[nan0s0ldier]

Midas is around r175-r250 per plug, dont know bout the 86, but on my old wrx, changing plugs is 45min job, 90k seevice probly has all fluids changed aswell?

Subaru(impreza/ect) the 12500km seevices are cheap(oil and filter),
50000km services cost slightly more(all fluids(brake, oil, gearbox oil, diff oil, antifreeze, ect),
100000km service is expensive, all the above + cambelt and waterpump), luckily tge 86 uses a chain.


And if you ever feel that fa20 is sliw, im sure you can fit an ez36 in there (the engine i would have fitted if i was toyota), around 200kw 350nm[emoji48] and still n/a


Oh, and as for brakes, im sure you can fit subaru 4pot calipers (01-07 wrx) yo the front, and if you willinf to change wheels, 01-04 sti brembos should also just bolt on

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Motor is basically the same. Toyota just does their magic and makes the motor more reliable. The spark plugs is a bit of a pain to do on the 86 perhaps coz of the changes made to it? Im no mechanic so i won't be able to comment if the brakes and calipers would be the same. But the plugs should most definitely be the same.

 

[g0l1athrulz]

Motor is basically the same. Toyota just does their magic and makes the motor more reliable. The spark plugs is a bit of a pain to do on the 86 perhaps coz of the changes made to it? Im no mechanic so i won't be able to comment if the brakes and calipers would be the same. But the plugs should most definitely be the same.

I see online some areas got 276 discs others got 294 discs, the calipers will bolt opn 08-10 wrx or 08-10 2.0r had same calipers as 86(depending on disc size).

Plugs might be more difficult because of engine placement, either way, its a shit job, luckily only every 90-100k, i looked at pricing, even tho the plugs are more exoensive, my wifes i10 costs more on plugs then the boxers [emoji14]


https://www.fastwrx.com/products/subaru-four-pot-two-pot-full-brake-upgrade-frs-brz

Seems front just bolts up(might need new discs, at around r800 each), nice thing about using subaru 4pot calipers, you can buy d4d hilux pads, at 1/4 tge price of subaru pads

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[nan0s0ldier]

I see online some areas got 276 discs others got 294 discs, the calipers will bolt opn 08-10 wrx or 08-10 2.0r had same calipers as 86(depending on disc size).

Plugs might be more difficult because of engine placement, either way, its a shit job, luckily only every 90-100k, i looked at pricing, even tho the plugs are more exoensive, my wifes i10 costs more on plugs then the boxers [emoji14]

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Not as bad as IS-F and LFA plugs at 2.3k each

 

[PHalanKS]

4. Insurance is a hectic on this car, I am currently 27 years old and have a decent crash record (only two claims in the past, of which both times people drove into me, once while driving from behind and once while I was parked and heard a crash outside:grumpy: ) I pay a monthly amount of R2300 for the car at Discovery and Outsurance paid me R400 cause they came up with something like R3000 a month. Your monthly payment might differ based on record.

Just wanted to say Holy Shit...

 

[Emissary_of_Pain]

Just wanted to say Holy Shit...

I will give first for women a call and see what they will charge my wife ...


She has had 1 minor fender bender in 6 years and she is 15yrs older than me so they won't assume risk if she buys a sports car ... hahahaha

 

[PHalanKS]

I see... a ToyOta and a ToyBoy...

"First for women" is basically a scam. You may as well go on hippo and compare some of the 40 different companies that are all telesure. Rather find good broker. It might be worthwhile to move your car insurance onto a policy under her name but with you as the driver.

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