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[AndyPants]

Facebook does not allow multiple accounts, they can terminate both accounts leaving you with a brick. I wouldn't risk that.



My work is secure, there are several layers of security including a VM and remoting to another machine. I am not concerned about the telemetry my home PC sends. But as soon as my screen display is going through oculus software to my oculus display it is suddenly accessible and recordable by someone else. Let's say for example all PC monitors could now connect to facebook and facebook could see and record everything on your monitor (I'm not saying they can or will, but they haven't exactly specified either which is my point, their TOS is too vague). Oh, and add a webcam that records you every time you use that monitor and records everything you say while using that monitor...

So maybe I want to have multiple bloomberg terminals all around me, or maybe I just want to watch Tropical Heat in surround without anyone judging me okay/



Maybe I am, although perhaps you are too... my comment is simple. "Facbook should be more specific in what they can and cannot access." Not saying they shouldn't track or be able to track... just want to know what they track.

So yeah, I overcomplicated it, I guess I was just saying their TOS is too vague but now I'm too emotionally invested in this debate to back down despite the fact I will probably buy a Quest 2 anyway assuming that the link cable works well and there isn't a huge performance overhead (would rather get good framerate at high settings than).

The vagueness in their policy is worrying, even more worrying is that by using the Quest 2 you are agreeing to their Supplemental Data Policy - which will only be made public on October 11 - so every single pre-order of Q2 is entering into an agreement they can't even see yet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1306285141057126400

There's good reason Germany shut the sale of Quest 1 and Rift S down - I still want to see if Q2 will be allowed to sell there.

 

[SgtAn4rchy]

is it required to have the 2.0 lighthouses for the index and knuckles?

 

[Montezuma]

is it required to have the 2.0 lighthouses for the index and knuckles?

I believe that they do work with the original lighthouses

https://www.reddit.com/r/vive_vr/comments/bjhxdr

 

[AndyPants]

Looks like if you haven't ordered yet, you're in for a long wait

Oculus Quest 2 Pre-Orders Backdated To November In US, Late October In UK

You may have missed your chance to get an Oculus Quest 2 on launch day. Pre-orders for Facebook’s new standalone headset are now backdated on the official website. The first people to pre-order Quest 2 will be getting the headset on October 13th. However, if you’re in the

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[AndyPants]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1308659637252620288

Things are heating up for FB

 

[Montezuma]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1308659637252620288

Things are heating up for FB

You see the one where Facebook threatened to shutdown services in Europe if the regulator didn't back off?

 

[AndyPants]

Here you go

 

[SgtAn4rchy]

Here you go

I for sure thought that this would sell me on the quest 2, but it still leaves me on the fence

 

[Evacol]

Here you go

Rift S still looking good. Unless you really want the portability, the Rift S is probably still the go-to tethered experience for the moment.

 

[AndyPants]

I for sure thought that this would sell me on the quest 2, but it still leaves me on the fence

Unfortunately, like he explains, the camera tells a good story, but the actual experience of human eyes cannot be accurately mimicked by a camera. You'll see the lighting conditions on the menus inside Elite Dangerous is not consistent between tests, and it's not super clear what is caused by screen resolution and what is caused by link compression.

 

[jaxx]

I for sure thought that this would sell me on the quest 2, but it still leaves me on the fence

Same here - reports of artefacting from video compression when tethered to PC is my concern.

Will await more user reviews before deciding

Price difference aside, this reviewer has a preference for tethered headsets for this reason:

 

[Montezuma]

Will wait and see if further improvements bring anything to the table as well as what performance will be like but it does seem as though traditionally tethered headsets aren't quite done with yet.

The only performance benchmark I've seen so far is by Tomshardware which puts the Quest 2 at roughly the same fps as Quest 1 in games like Half-Life Alyx which sounds great at first given the resolution bump... BUT... the OG Quest performed slightly worse than Reverb 2. The performance difference doesn't look like much but a couple of fps can be the difference between native 90hz or 45hz with ASW (does Quest 2 even have ASW?).

To put that in context the Quest 2 performs worse than the G2 while only displaying about 7 megapixels vs the 9.3 megapixels of the G2 (that might even be with fixed foveated rendering but I'm not sure, the Quest does support it but perhaps only natively in games).

That said it's pretty close and some optimization and updates (that have been promised) could improve the performance quite a bit.
(performance comparison:

https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/icxcfv

)

Nitpicky note, I know technically it's not the headset's performance, it is your PCs performance at different HMD resolutions (and with the Quest with the compression and decompression of the image and audio) but it's easier to just say it that way.

 

[AndyPants]

From Carmack's talk it seemed like they really haven't tapped into any of the XR2's advantages yet. He said that with Covid they actually didn't expect to be able to bring out a new headset this year, they were suprized they were able to launch it afterall.

I get the impression that they were REALLY strapped for time. That they got this new hardware platform to a minimum acceptable performance bar (aka, on par with Quest 1) to get it out the door.
I suspect they were under tremendous pressure to get it out before PS5 and XBox, the timing was no accident. If you think about it the competition for this year's "xmass season" began in September.

If you listen to Carmack saying how "at launch the Q2 will have worse latency than Q1 over Link" I read between the lines that they have a long road of software optimizing ahead, the Hardware is a huge improvement, but I suspect software wise they slapped the existing Quest's software on it where ever possible and did the major bug fixes to get an acceptable experience on the store shelves.

I think there's a lot of headroom to optimize.

 

[1ofmanyof1]

From Carmack's talk it seemed like they really haven't tapped into any of the XR2's advantages yet. He said that with Covid they actually didn't expect to be able to bring out a new headset this year, they were suprized they were able to launch it afterall.

I get the impression that they were REALLY strapped for time. That they got this new hardware platform to a minimum acceptable performance bar (aka, on par with Quest 1) to get it out the door.
I suspect they were under tremendous pressure to get it out before PS5 and XBox, the timing was no accident. If you think about it the competition for this year's "xmass season" began in September.

If you listen to Carmack saying how "at launch the Q2 will have worse latency than Q1 over Link" I read between the lines that they have a long road of software optimizing ahead, the Hardware is a huge improvement, but I suspect software wise they slapped the existing Quest's software on it where ever possible and did the major bug fixes to get an acceptable experience on the store shelves.

I think there's a lot of headroom to optimize.

The linked video speaks similar things, though I disagree with the guys conclusion to wait to buy. The part where John Carmack talks about how much hardware performance they have left on the table is very interesting for the future!

 

[hideinlight]

Is it just me or did the price for the $300 headset just go up when ordering from Amazon. Last time I checked it was R7500, now it's over R8000.
It's as if the shipping cost just shot up.

 

[SgtAn4rchy]

Yup, it seems that way, its seems like R1 does make a huge difference on larger items

 

[wildcard101]

Is it just me or did the price for the $300 headset just go up when ordering from Amazon. Last time I checked it was R7500, now it's over R8000.
It's as if the shipping cost just shot up.

It did, I was checking out last night and was at the payment page, but had the product page opened in another tab and noticed it there

 

[Montezuma]

Currency blew out over past couple of days quite a bit.

 

[hideinlight]

I have a Quest 1 atm, so I might hold of a little longer until our currency recovers again. New walking dead game comes out tomorrow so there are still things to keep me busy with.

 

[AndyPants]

HP G2 is crushing it

Note that the production version of the G2 has a few updates over the ones that were sent to the press.

 

[AndyPants]

He's not commenting much on latency here but he is playing beatsaber over Wi-Fi 6
(little note on latency in comments)

 

[Qui_Illustrati]

HP G2 is crushing it

Note that the production version of the G2 has a few updates over the ones that were sent to the press.

Been keeping tabs on the G2 as well - not going to lie - it looks amazing. Just not amazing enough to buy.
Quest 2 still beats it though on value for money in my opinion. There's simply no experience close to the Quest 2 for the relatively small amount of money spent, and especially when compared to the Index though-the-lens.
In fact the video highlights how not far off the visuals are from each other I think. Also, perhaps it's just me, but the colors are more vivid on the Quest 2. The G2 seems washed out to me.

That being said, perhaps ONLY viable option is to get both.

 

[Qui_Illustrati]

New walking dead game comes out tomorrow so there are still things to keep me busy with.

What garbage! Feels a step backwards. Don't buy it. Viva 'alternate methods of getting things without paying' !

 

[1ofmanyof1]

So it appears my head strap updated with an expected delivery date. Nothing on the other items....hopefully this doesn't mean they are out of stock on the head set and other items already. I literally ordered within 15 minutes of it going up on Amazon. Anyone had any updates on their orders?

 

[hideinlight]

What garbage! Feels a step backwards. Don't buy it. Viva 'alternate methods of getting things without paying' !

Too later, already bought it. So far it's pretty average. 3 shots to in the head to kill a zombie is truly immersion breaking. But at least I can use it as an exercise session, see how many zombies one can stab with an OP knife.

Saints and sinners was bloody well done, compared to this. It feels like an improved Arizona Sunshine atm. If it came out start of 2018 it would be much better received.


With games like Alyx/Saints and sinners/boneworks some high expectations were created. Boneworks had a crow and robotic headcrabs that was exciting to fight with melee, so when Alyx came out and you could not do what you could do in boneworks, that was dissapointing.

That's the problem with Onslaught atm, I played better and now it feels like a step backwards.

 

[Montezuma]

I keep thinking I'm going to wait for reverb G2... and yet I keep hovering my mouse over quest 2 cart checkout.

 

[hideinlight]

I keep thinking I'm going to wait for reverb G2... and yet I keep hovering my mouse over quest 2 cart checkout.

Those lenses look pretty damn amazing for if your into sims. Although then you lose the Oculus polish/tracking/versatility/all rounder...

I'm waiting for the Rand/Dollar to get better.
It's now at R7859.97. It was R8250 yesterday.

 

[Montezuma]

Those lenses look pretty damn amazing for if your into sims. Although then you lose the Oculus polish/tracking/versatility/all rounder...

I'm waiting for the Rand/Dollar to get better.
It's now at R7859.97. It was R8250 yesterday.

So that price looked strange and I found something interesting (maybe a bug on Amazon's site) because my cart was around that amount but I had a few other items as well. I add the Q2 on it's own and it's like around R8k. Then I add another item and it drops to R7k! For some reason when on its own the Q2 has a import tax amount of $120. Add another item and the import tax amount drops to like $50.

As for exchange rate, Amazon only charges you when the pre-order is ready, so you may be hoping for a better exchange rate that never comes and even if it does on say Monday, that won't necessarily be what you get when you place your order.

 

[hideinlight]

So that price looked strange and I found something interesting (maybe a bug on Amazon's site) because my cart was around that amount but I had a few other items as well. I add the Q2 on it's own and it's like around R8k. Then I add another item and it drops to R7k! For some reason when on its own the Q2 has a import tax amount of $120. Add another item and the import tax amount drops to like $50.

As for exchange rate, Amazon only charges you when the pre-order is ready, so you may be hoping for a better exchange rate that never comes and even if it does on say Monday, that won't necessarily be what you get when you place your order.

wth, I'm seeing the same thing.

Order Summary​

Items (2):	ZAR 5,210.51
Shipping & handling:	ZAR 572.08
Total before tax:	ZAR 5,782.59
Estimated tax to be collected:	ZAR 0.00
Import Fees Deposit:	ZAR 878.43
Payment Total:	ZAR 6,661.02

I added some random cat6 cable and tax is then R0.00?

 

[Qui_Illustrati]

So that price looked strange and I found something interesting (maybe a bug on Amazon's site) because my cart was around that amount but I had a few other items as well. I add the Q2 on it's own and it's like around R8k. Then I add another item and it drops to R7k! For some reason when on its own the Q2 has a import tax amount of $120. Add another item and the import tax amount drops to like $50.

As for exchange rate, Amazon only charges you when the pre-order is ready, so you may be hoping for a better exchange rate that never comes and even if it does on say Monday, that won't necessarily be what you get when you place your order.

Do you mean the charges only go off your card on Amazon pre-orders when the item is in stock and ready to be shipped? And rates at that point in time is applicable?