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Salaries for SAIPA accountants

But lets be honest, with clerks the bosses nor managers are that involved. It is your 2nd and 3rd clerks training there fellow clerk to grow.

They only doing what they were learned, its not like in the olden days where you found something of materiality you report. These days its like what is the amount compare it to the profits is it material i.e making a loss or profit is it affecting by this much margin... No :( lets move on won't cause any damage kind of thing.

Take your ticking and bashing if you do a compilation you do not really care about income statement or balance sheet as long as everything agrees to the working papers cause there is no risk. The difference comes in if you take pride in your work you will treat a compilation as a audit and make sure you do random testing as well.
Thats why I switched from articles to become an attorney to doing pupillage to become an advocate.

As a clerk the 'senior' clerk simply dumped crap on my desk so she could cherry pick her files. Now if there was any kind of quid pro quo (she had had an excellent senior clerk who helped her) I wouldn't have been as pissed but literally nothing (just crap files and a closed door). So I learned fuck all from the firm when I started.

Shifting to pupillage I had a pupil master who was insanely bright, an author, incredible at approaching cases from different angles and a good teacher. I basically relearned everything about law in 8 months. The bar I was at was small and there was a collegiality that was missing in the firm I was originally in. Funny enough its partly that collegiality that led me into publishing because I really enjoyed helping new advocates and attorneys so now am heavily involved in the creation of new products that are more practical in approach and not as academic.
 
Exactly! Cause lets be honest if the partner knows the client and where the problems usually are he kaks you out cause it could take him 3 hours to complete
Something like that.
 
Thats why I switched from articles to become an attorney to doing pupillage to become an advocate.

As a clerk the 'senior' clerk simply dumped crap on my desk so she could cherry pick her files. Now if there was any kind of quid pro quo (she had had an excellent senior clerk who helped her) I wouldn't have been as pissed but literally nothing (just crap files and a closed door). So I learned fuck all from the firm when I started.

Shifting to pupillage I had a pupil master who was insanely bright, an author, incredible at approaching cases from different angles and a good teacher. I basically relearned everything about law in 8 months. The bar I was at was small and there was a collegiality that was missing in the firm I was originally in. Funny enough its partly that collegiality that led me into publishing because I really enjoyed helping new advocates and attorneys so now am heavily involved in the creation of new products that are more practical in approach and not as academic.
but it is true, first year they give you all the kak work that you must do and not gain experience. I remember my first week as it was yesterday... still though Why did I go study if I need to be someone's PA and do crap filing, sourcing documents etc. Look I didnt mind but you know your roots but if that is the way people treat you i understand fully why alot of people write board on RPL experience
 
So I'm currently studying for a Bcom in Financial Accounting(SAIPA). My University has honours that count as bridging to a CTA for SAICA, but you have to do another year of study. I don't know if I will get in, but my question is how much Saipa Accountants earn during and after their 3 years of articles. From what I can google online that CA's earn like 3 times more than their SAIPA counterparts, but I can't seem to find any salaries that seem legit. Any people who know SAIPA accountants or are SAIPA accountants themselves that can help? It seems like during articles one has to survive on peanut butter and bread.
The issue is getting a job with the normal B-Com accounting. SAIPA articles are quite scare unlike the SAICA (CA stream) articles. I have tons of friends who are currently sitting with a B-Com Accounting degree unemployed or working as a bookeeper earning minimum wage. My best suggestion would be to do the bridging course, work hard and then get a job as a SAICA article clerk

P.S The salary is not bad at all, I started in January at one of the big four firms and am earning a fair market related salary. You are looking at around 10-13k (after tax) pm as a first year trainee in SAICA articles. You also get cool perks aswell so defs recommend!
 
P.S The salary is not bad at all, I started in January at one of the big four firms and am earning a fair market related salary. You are looking at around 10-13k (after tax) pm as a first year trainee in SAICA articles. You also get cool perks aswell so defs recommend!
I'm assuming this is Gauteng salary?

Because the guys outside GP gets less.
 
And then they finish articles, think they can get R700k, newly qualified with some recruitment agent telling me how wonderful this person is.

15CVs later and finally you pick someone up, which some recruiter did not try to promote, whom actually has some common sense.

Anyways, gotta thank SAICA for qualifying every tom, dick and harry.

And nope, this is not limited to finance. Go and check laywers, doctors, engineers, etc.

Heck, even IT is taking an hammering with all the FB qualified network engineers and programmers these days.

And @Smurf, articles these days area joke. Clerks have no idea what they are doing or why, they only follow what the tool say they should do and ticking is done by cheap labour in mauritius or india. Again, there is some good candidates, by good luck finding them, most jump the boat and get a secondment and never come back. Risk based audit is gone and ticking a R15 milk invoice in a multi billion rand company makes audit sense now.
loooooool this is so true
 
They pay in the order of Joburg --> PTA, CPT --> other major centers --> anywhere else.
 
Hijacking the thread here a little. Know anybody who is finishing articles this year or even finished but writing part 2 of Board? I'm on a recruiting drive and am looking for good self-starters. Oh, it's a hybrid working environment based in Johannesburg.
 
So i am a SAIPA Accountant , during articles earned between 11k to 14k before deductions. After articles i stayed with the firm and earning 25k before deductions. I am only writing my board exam next month to be fully qualified and the offers i have for after that are from R30k to R45k. I only have 2 years post articles experience so it will grow. It also depends alot of the employer you go to since SAIPA accountants usually have alot more practical accounting and financial experience it helps alot when dealing with financial management of a department.
 
So i am a SAIPA Accountant , during articles earned between 11k to 14k before deductions. After articles i stayed with the firm and earning 25k before deductions. I am only writing my board exam next month to be fully qualified and the offers i have for after that are from R30k to R45k. I only have 2 years post articles experience so it will grow. It also depends alot of the employer you go to since SAIPA accountants usually have alot more practical accounting and financial experience it helps alot when dealing with financial management of a department.
Strongs with the board bud :)

From friends experiences, I know one guy that earns alot more than CA. That CA is kak title its like AGA (SA) WOW *crying inside* and not offend anyone without the RA title you just a modified Professional accountant.

it depends on the industry you are working, a paper means merely fark all, yes people look at you if you work for big 4 but do not know you only worked on 5 clients max your whole articles through. I feel SAIPA members get underestimated cause they do not "work" as hard as a CA.

I.T Companies pay to dollar if you have experience, post articles help cause you are seen a senior in your field of expertise and companies see you already fullfilling the managerial role of a business.
 
The issue is getting a job with the normal B-Com accounting. SAIPA articles are quite scare unlike the SAICA (CA stream) articles. I have tons of friends who are currently sitting with a B-Com Accounting degree unemployed or working as a bookeeper earning minimum wage. My best suggestion would be to do the bridging course, work hard and then get a job as a SAICA article clerk

P.S The salary is not bad at all, I started in January at one of the big four firms and am earning a fair market related salary. You are looking at around 10-13k (after tax) pm as a first year trainee in SAICA articles. You also get cool perks aswell so defs recommend!
Honestly I think some people can relate that starting salary is great! But imagine starting at R4500 After tax and having to survive in this day and age, JHB is harsh at times. Clerks are seen as cheap labour you got to crawl before you walk cause those working papers on a friday afternoon won't be fixing themselves xD
 
I have been where you are.

Just push through. You will not regtret it, it sucks for the first few years, but push for that CA, the world opens up. My salary from 1st year trainee to 3 years post articles have grown with almost 900%.
 
Hijacking the thread here a little. Know anybody who is finishing articles this year or even finished but writing part 2 of Board? I'm on a recruiting drive and am looking for good self-starters. Oh, it's a hybrid working environment based in Johannesburg.
Parktown?
 
Hi all, it's me the author of this post.
So I did a few interviews in some areas and spoke to some people with honours and some with just Bachelor's degrees.
So my academic records are not the best, but I got a job offer for every interview I went to.
The pay varies a lot. My advice is to check the living costs or if your family has a place for you to rent low or stay for free that will significantly help in the beginning. I am not going to give out company names, but these are mostly small to medium-sized firms. No idea what the big 4 pays, but if someone knows you are welcome to add but don't mention any company name.
So salaries I know or heard of:
Bloemfontein: R6k-R9k (Bachelors)
Pretoria: R6k-R12.5k (Bachelor)
Potchefstroom: R6.5k-R10k (Bachelor)
Cape Town: R14k(Honours)
Somerset Wes: R12k (Can't remember if it was with Bachelors or Honours)
Kathu: R6k(but you get accommodation)

Future readers, just a tip from me. Make sure to properly read your contracts and ask relevant questions during the interview about working weekends, leave, office hours, responsibilities, etc.
Some people offer great salaries, but you end up becoming their secretary, cleaner, coffee maker, etc while doing your articles. I'd say there is relatively a decent amount of work available for everyone. Just send in your CV and whatever else is required to every place that catches your eye, since you will be surprised how many people don't send in their CVs as they think they are not good enough.
Anyone else is welcome to add salaries of articles or even post articles.
 
Hi all, it's me the author of this post.
So I did a few interviews in some areas and spoke to some people with honours and some with just Bachelor's degrees.
So my academic records are not the best, but I got a job offer for every interview I went to.

Awesome stuff!!
Also look into CIMA articles. There is a fast track from CIMA to CA(SA) where you only need APC to be CA if you have CIMA.
 
So i finished my Finacial accounting degree this year at UWC. What would be the best approach, straight to honors (this might be out of the question for this coming year) or cima or straight to articles?
 
So i finished my Finacial accounting degree this year at UWC. What would be the best approach, straight to honors (this might be out of the question for this coming year) or cima or straight to articles?
Pretty sure you need that Honours to progress in the CA (SA) route - you could start CIMA, do all the exams (that you don't have exemptions for), get the Practical Experience Requirements.
 
Pretty sure you need that Honours to progress in the CA (SA) route - you could start CIMA, do all the exams (that you don't have exemptions for), get the Practical Experience Requirements.
I see, Im in a predicament where I dont meet the reqs for my honors. So I'd have to retake the modules that were lacking, which would take a 1/2 a year and then reapply for honors for the year after. That would mean itd take me 2 years before I start doing articles. Is there no way to bridge into Saica after completing my Saipa articles?
And how does CIMA work, I'm quite confused as I read someone said there's no articles with it?
 
I see, Im in a predicament where I dont meet the reqs for my honors. So I'd have to retake the modules that were lacking, which would take a 1/2 a year and then reapply for honors for the year after. That would mean itd take me 2 years before I start doing articles. Is there no way to bridge into Saica after completing my Saipa articles?
And how does CIMA work, I'm quite confused as I read someone said there's no articles with it?
Hold up - so you were doing the SAIPA route and now want to move to SAIPA or CIMA?

Would need to check with SAIPA or SAICA on the bridging - not sure if @ThatGuyJD or @SuperLlama knows.

As for CIMA (I just have the last year left) - there are no articles and only Practical Experience Requirements [PER] (which you can garner while doing the 3 levels). You have 2 routes, FLP and non-FLP - the main difference is that non-FLP has you do Exams/Objective Tests + the 3 Case Studies whereas you only do the Case Studies with FLP.

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