Recommended ISP IN GAUTENG FOR EU GAMING.

[pow_pai]

Hi I'm looking for a Isp that has the lowest possible ping when playing games,like apex legends ,lol etc.Im currently getting 200ms +/- on my current connection

Currently with Mweb

Thank you in advance

 

[Soul Assassin]

Cool Ideas or use Cloudflare Warp.

 

[hms_dexter]

Physics are against you in this. 200ms is close to the theoretical minimum time that it takes for a lightspeed pulse to travel from ZA to the EU once you factor in propagation and routing delays.

 

[Soul Assassin]

Physics are against you in this. 200ms is close to the theoretical minimum time that it takes for a lightspeed pulse to travel from ZA to the EU once you factor in propagation and routing delays.

JHB to London is 160ms.

 

[pow_pai]

i used to be with axxess about 2 years ago the ping was about 165-170 but then I moved to another area in my city and chose mweb(didn't have the money to pay for the installation) but with them its just costantly 200ms

 

[Instinction]

Physics are against you in this. 200ms is close to the theoretical minimum time that it takes for a lightspeed pulse to travel from ZA to the EU once you factor in propagation and routing delays.

How is physics against the guy if theoretically a signal going through fibre connection will have <1ms ping, because it is traveling at the speed of light. I would rather say technology and infrastructure is against him, not physics.

 

[Soul Assassin]

i used to be with axxess about 2 years ago the ping was about 165-170 but then I moved to another area in my city and chose mweb(didn't have the money to pay for the installation) but with them its just costantly 200ms

Mweb goes via the east coast that's why you get that ping.

I'm with Vox and they do the same thing so I have Cloudflare Warp turned on permanently, it takes my ping from 180ms to 160ms.

 

[goldfritter]

How is physics against the guy if theoretically a signal going through fibre connection will have <1ms ping, because it is traveling at the speed of light. I would rather say technology and infrastructure is against him, not physics.

Light still takes time to travel. Not a lot of time, but some time. When you factor in routing/switching etc. there is a lower limit of latency that can be achieved over the very large distances involved.

I'd be quite curious to see if, in a blind test, a gamer could tell the difference (either by experience or performance) between the "best" international latency (~165ms) and 200ms.

The difference between 5ms and 40ms is perhaps noticeable... But I doubt the difference between 165 and 200 is.

That said, other measures like jitter and packet loss play a role too. @pow_pai your best bet is to ask people in your area on different ISPs to do ping tests and see which ISP measures the best, and take it from there.

 

[pow_pai]

I'd be quite curious to see if, in a blind test, a gamer could tell the difference (either by experience or performance) between the "best" international latency (~165ms) and 200ms.

The difference between 5ms and 40ms is perhaps noticeable... But I doubt the difference between 165 and 200 is.

I think its mostly the the jitter but for me personally it felt way better playing on 165 then it currently does on 200. Maybe I'm just looking for excuses for being bad at games

 

[Soul Assassin]

Light still takes time to travel. Not a lot of time, but some time. When you factor in routing/switching etc. there is a lower limit of latency that can be achieved over the very large distances involved.

I'd be quite curious to see if, in a blind test, a gamer could tell the difference (either by experience or performance) between the "best" international latency (~165ms) and 200ms.

The difference between 5ms and 40ms is perhaps noticeable... But I doubt the difference between 165 and 200 is.

That said, other measures like jitter and packet loss play a role too. @pow_pai your best bet is to ask people in your area on different ISPs to do ping tests and see which ISP measures the best, and take it from there.

You can immediately tell the difference.

 

[Soul Assassin]

I think its mostly the the jitter but for me personally it felt way better playing on 165 then it currently does on 200. Maybe I'm just looking for excuses for being bad at games

Ping lon.hosted.co.za and then install this, turn it on and ping it again:

1.1.1.1

 

[goldfritter]

You can immediately tell the difference.

I'd still be curious to see a blind test with a nice, large sampling frame. See if you can measure a statistically significant difference rather than just a placebo effect. Might help people decide empirically with some data if it's worth all the effort, or just anecdotal.

 

[bythecantloads]

Ping lon.hosted.co.za and then install this, turn it on and ping it again:

1.1.1.1

Do I need to sub to warp+ to reep the benefits? I saw little to no difference pinging from my phone. Will check this evening with a game of Apex.

 

[pow_pai]

Do I need to sub to warp+ to reep the benefits? I saw little to no difference pinging from my phone. Will check this evening with a game of Apex.

Same will need to do a test on my pc to actually see if there is a difference

 

[Instinction]

Light still takes time to travel. Not a lot of time, but some time. When you factor in routing/switching etc. there is a lower limit of latency that can be achieved over the very large distances involved.

I'd be quite curious to see if, in a blind test, a gamer could tell the difference (either by experience or performance) between the "best" international latency (~165ms) and 200ms.

The difference between 5ms and 40ms is perhaps noticeable... But I doubt the difference between 165 and 200 is.

That said, other measures like jitter and packet loss play a role too. @pow_pai your best bet is to ask people in your area on different ISPs to do ping tests and see which ISP measures the best, and take it from there.

Hence my words "technology and infrastructure", physics has nothing to do with the latency. If I point a lazer to europe and somone holds a mirror back to me, the latency of that laser would be less than 1ms. Light is technically the fastest thing in the universe other than theories of other photons. Technology and infrastructure creates latency through switching and routing.

 

[Soul Assassin]

Do I need to sub to warp+ to reep the benefits? I saw little to no difference pinging from my phone. Will check this evening with a game of Apex.

Then your ISP probably already has good routing, for me on Vox my ping goes from 180ms to 160ms.

I am on Vox and my friend was on MWEB and we both had it permanently on to play Apex. He moved to Afrihost a couple of months back and no longer needs to use it and I'm moving to Cool Ideas once my claw back period with Vox is over.

The reason I now recommend Cool Ideas and not Afrihost anymore is because Cool Ideas said they're working on a VPN solution and then we can play on Singapore at 130ms.

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

I would rather say technology and infrastructure is against him, not physics.

No its physics.
First of all you need to knock about 1/3 of the speed of light for light reflecting in a optic fiber cable and then you are left about 124 188 miles per second.
There is no straight line of fibre even between here and say London, lets assume there was the distance is +- 5600 Miles
So with a theoretical perfectly straight line between JHB and London with absolutely zero gear loses your ping could never be below :
5600 / 124 188 = 0.045 seconds (one way)
0.045 x 2 = 0.09 seconds = 90ms

 

[bythecantloads]

Then your ISP probably already has good routing, for me on Vox my ping goes from 180ms to 160ms.

I am on Vox and my friend was on MWEB and we both had it permanently on to play Apex. He moved to Afrihost a couple of months back and no longer needs to use it and I'm moving to Cool Ideas once my claw back period with Vox is over.

The reason I now recommend Cool Ideas and not Afrihost anymore is because Cool Ideas said they're working on a VPN solution and then we can play on Singapore at 130ms.

When pinging on my phone it was straight through the Telkom network. Don't trust work WiFi, so I never connect.

I am on Axxess at home, usually between a 167 and 170 ping on the Belgium Apex servers. London bounces between 180 and 200 for me.

 

[Instinction]

No its physics.
First of all you need to knock about 1/3 of the speed of light for light reflecting in a optic fiber cable and then you are left about 124 188 miles per second.
There is no straight line of fibre even between here and say London, lets assume there was the distance is +- 5600 Miles
So with a theoretical perfectly straight line between JHB and London with absolutely zero gear loses your ping could never be below :
5600 / 124 188 = 0.045 seconds (one way)
0.045 x 2 = 0.09 seconds = 90ms

206,856,796 meters per second in a fibre optical cable.

And then again, cable length is NOT physics, it's infrastructure. If someone lays a string to cape town like his ass, is it physics?

If I theoritically took a straight cable to Britain it would be about 8000-9000km because we are South Africans, we do not work in miles.

Soooo 9000/206 856 796 = 4,350836024744384e-5
4,350836024744384e-5 x 2= 8,701672049488768e-5
Less than 1 ms.
We can all agree it WILL NEVER BE LIKE THAT. BUT Physics has nothing to do with your latency.

 

[Soul Assassin]

When pinging on my phone it was straight through the Telkom network. Don't trust work WiFi, so I never connect.

I am on Axxess at home, usually between a 167 and 170 ping on the Belgium Apex servers. London bounces between 180 and 200 for me.

This was a year ago before I had fibre, without and with Warp:

 

[heinreich]

No its physics.
First of all you need to knock about 1/3 of the speed of light for light reflecting in a optic fiber cable and then you are left about 124 188 miles per second.
There is no straight line of fibre even between here and say London, lets assume there was the distance is +- 5600 Miles
So with a theoretical perfectly straight line between JHB and London with absolutely zero gear loses your ping could never be below :
5600 / 124 188 = 0.045 seconds (one way)
0.045 x 2 = 0.09 seconds = 90ms

Yeah, science, bitch

 

[goldfritter]

206,856,796 meters per second in a fibre optical cable.

And then again, cable length is NOT physics, it's infrastructure. If someone lays a string to cape town like his ass, is it physics?

If I theoritically took a straight cable to Britain it would be about 8000-9000km because we are South Africans, we do not work in miles.

Soooo 9000/206 856 796 = 4,350836024744384e-5
4,350836024744384e-5 x 2= 8,701672049488768e-5
Less than 1 ms.
We can all agree it WILL NEVER BE LIKE THAT. BUT Physics has nothing to do with your latency.

Not sure what point you're trying to prove here other than you can use a calculator?

Either way. The benefits of moving from one ISP to another, using a VPN, etc. can only improve your latency by a finite amount. Whether it's due to quantum physics, the alignment of the stars, or whether a butterfly farted in Taiwan - the outcome is the same.

Arguing on the internet in order to be TecHnicAlLy more correct than another guy isn't a productive use of finger energy.

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

Soooo 9000/206 856 796 = 4,350836024744384e-5
4,350836024744384e-5 x 2= 8,701672049488768e-5
Less than 1 ms.

You* should blame OBE

 

[Instinction]

Not sure what point you're trying to prove here other than you can use a calculator?

Either way. The benefits of moving from one ISP to another, using a VPN, etc. can only improve your latency by a finite amount. Whether it's due to quantum physics, the alignment of the stars, or whether a butterfly farted in Taiwan - the outcome is the same.

Arguing on the internet in order to be TecHnicAlLy more correct than another guy isn't a productive use of finger energy.

I'm just trying to defend you here hahaha. Someone said it's impossible to because of physics. But it's not physics

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

I'm just trying to defend you here hahaha. Someone said it's impossible to because of physics. But it's not physics

IT ABSOLUTELY FUCKING IS THOUGH.

 

[Mb12]

206,856,796 meters per second in a fibre optical cable.

And then again, cable length is NOT physics, it's infrastructure. If someone lays a string to cape town like his ass, is it physics?

If I theoritically took a straight cable to Britain it would be about 8000-9000km because we are South Africans, we do not work in miles.

Soooo 9000/206 856 796 = 4,350836024744384e-5
4,350836024744384e-5 x 2= 8,701672049488768e-5
Less than 1 ms.
We can all agree it WILL NEVER BE LIKE THAT. BUT Physics has nothing to do with your latency.

Check your units. Distance is in km and velocity is in m/s your answer is wrong by a factor of 1000.

9 000 000 m / 200 000 000 m/s = 45 ms one way

 

[goldfritter]

I'm just trying to defend you here hahaha. Someone said it's impossible to because of physics. But it's not physics

Okeydokes. It's worth noting in your calculation you used speed of light in m/s but distance in km.

So your calculation would not be 9000/206 856 796 but rather 9 000 000/206 856 796 = 0.044s = 44ms one way = 88ms return.

So it's about half physics and half infrastructure.

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

Soooo 9000/206 856 796 = 4,350836024744384e-5

You are mixing KM and M
It should be 9000(KM) / 206 856 KM / s = 0.0435s

 

[Mb12]

Anyway, I wouldn't leave MWeb for ~200ms to EU. I would leave MWeb just because.

Edit: Afrihost

 

[Nivea]

Honestly, try exit lag , youll have 160 ping and no packet loss. 7 day free trial, R60 bucks a month I think , maybe more now.

If you want to play on seriously low ping , get exit lag , use ChubsVPN ( Free ) and play on Singapore servers, you'll have 110 ping