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Exactly what I said was going to happen when HULU implemented similar policies :)
Your Netflix days in SA may and will probably will be over sooner or later.

"Netflix is starting to block subscribers who access its service using VPN services and other tools that bypass geolocation restrictions. The changes, which may also affect legitimate users, have been requested by the movie studios who want full control over what people can see in their respective countries.

netflix-logoDue to complicated licensing agreements Netflix is only available in a few dozen countries, all of which have a different content library.

Some people bypass these content and access restrictions by using VPNs or other circumvention tools that change their geographical location. This makes it easy for people all around the world to pay for access to the U.S. version of Netflix, for example.

The movie studios are not happy with these deviant subscribers as it hurts their licensing agreements. Previously entertainment industry sources in Australia complained bitterly that tens of thousands of Netflix “VPN-pirates” were hurting their business.

Over the past weeks Netflix has started to take action against people who use certain circumvention tools. The Android application started to force Google DNS which now makes it harder to use DNS based location unblockers, and several VPN IP-ranges were targeted as well.

Thus far the actions are limited in scope, so not all VPN users may experience problems just yet. However, TorGuard is one of the VPN providers which noticed a surge in access problems by its users, starting mid-December.

“This is a brand new development. A few weeks ago we received the first report from a handful of clients that Netflix blocked access due to VPN or proxy usage. This is the very first time I’ve ever heard Netflix displaying this type of error message to a VPN user,” TorGuard’s Ben Van der Pelt tells us.

In TorGuard’s case the users were able to quickly gain access again by logging into another U.S. location. It further appears that some of the blocking efforts were temporary, probably as a test for a full-scale rollout at a later date.

“I have a sneaking suspicion that Netflix may be testing these new IP blocking methods temporarily in certain markets. At this time the blocks do not seem aggressive and may only be targeted at IP ranges that exceed too many simultaneous logins.”

Netflix is reportedly testing a variety of blocking methods. From querying the user’s time zone through the web browser or mobile device GPS and comparing it to the timezone of their IP-address, to forcing Google’s DNS services in the Android app.

TorGuard told us that if Netflix continues with a strict ban policy, they will provide an easy solution to bypass the blocks. Other services, such as Unblock-us are also suggesting workarounds to their customers.

Netflix’ efforts to block geoblocking circumvention tools doesn’t come as a surprise. TF has seen a draft of the content protection agreement Sony Pictures prepared for Netflix earlier this year. This agreement specifically requires Netflix to verify that registered users are indeed residing in the proper locations.

Among other things Netflix must “use such geolocation bypass detection technology to detect known web proxies, DNS based proxies, anonymizing services and VPNs which have been created for the primary intent of bypassing geo-restrictions.”

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Blocking VPN and proxy “pirates” has become a priority for the movie studios as streaming services have failed to introduce proper countermeasures. Early 2014 the movie studio looked into the accessibility of various services through popular circumvention tools, including TorGuard, to find out that most are not blocked.

In a follow-up during the summer of 2014 Sony Pictures conducted research to identify the IP-ranges of various VPNs and proxies. These results were shared with Netflix and other streaming services so they could take action and expand their blocklists where needed.

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Based on the above it’s safe to conclude that Netflix will continue to roll out more aggressive blocking tools during the months to come. As with all blocks, this may also affect some people who use VPNs for privacy and security reasons. Whether Netflix will factor this in has yet to be seen.

TF contacted Netflix for a comment on the findings and its future plans, but a few days have passed and we have yet to receive a response.

Netflix is not the only streaming service that’s targeting VPN and proxy users. A few months ago Hulu implemented similar restrictions. This made the site unusable for location “pirates,” but also U.S. based paying customers who used a VPN for privacy reasons."

Source: Netflix Cracks Down on VPN and Proxy "Pirates" | TorrentFreak
 
Re: Netflix Cracks Down on VPN and Proxy "Pirates"

Noooo! 😢😡😣 If I don't have a legitimate way to get content It leaves me no option but to pirate! What are these guys thinking?

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Would be interested to see how they plan on blocking sites like Unotelly, Ban their US IPs? Think this will turn into a game of cat and mouse.
 
UnoTelly uses DNS, if they force google's DNS and GPS on Android it makes my tablet useless.

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Re: Netflix Cracks Down on VPN and Proxy "Pirates"

If I don't have a legitimate way to get content It leaves me no option but to pirate!

That statement might get you banned :p
 
Re: Netflix Cracks Down on VPN and Proxy "Pirates"

That statement might get you banned :p

I'm not encouraging piracy, nor advocating it. I buy my software, pay for streaming services when and where available. I'm bemoaning the fact that users get discriminated against depending on where they find themselves located.

I have multiple PSN accounts, as some games/apps are only available certain regions.

If Rebeltech(replace with your favourite etailer) only sold to customers in Pretoria and not in Kempton, how would you feel? Obviously if you really wanted to buy something from them you would pay someone like Ichigo(replace with your favourite shipping service) to circumvent those senseless restrictions.

So in terms of the subject, if using a proxy, DNS or VPN service to bypass geo-ip restrictions. then yes I am a pirate. I will always attempt to pay for a service/product.

In terms of your DSTV subscription, if you go camping in Botswana and take your DSTV decoder and a camping dish with to watch the rugby, you are watching it illegally. You need to get a new subscription & decoder from a local retailer. Now does this seem right to you?
 
Re: Netflix Cracks Down on VPN and Proxy "Pirates"

I'm not encouraging piracy, nor advocating it. I buy my software, pay for streaming services when and where available. I'm bemoaning the fact that users get discriminated against depending on where they find themselves located.

I have multiple PSN accounts, as some games/apps are only available certain regions.

If Rebeltech(replace with your favourite etailer) only sold to customers in Pretoria and not in Kempton, how would you feel? Obviously if you really wanted to buy something from them you would pay someone like Ichigo(replace with your favourite shipping service) to circumvent those senseless restrictions.

So in terms of the subject, if using a proxy, DNS or VPN service to bypass geo-ip restrictions. then yes I am a pirate. I will always attempt to pay for a service/product.

In terms of your DSTV subscription, if you go camping in Botswana and take your DSTV decoder and a camping dish with to watch the rugby, you are watching it illegally. You need to get a new subscription & decoder from a local retailer. Now does this seem right to you?

It's not so much about that. This forum is strict on piracy as you may have seen. Your statement is a grey area. You stated "It leaves me no option but to pirate". Maybe you should have just been more specific about your intention :)
#justsayin' , not starting an argument
 
Re: Netflix Cracks Down on VPN and Proxy "Pirates"

I'm not encouraging piracy, nor advocating it. I buy my software, pay for streaming services when and where available. I'm bemoaning the fact that users get discriminated against depending on where they find themselves located.

I have multiple PSN accounts, as some games/apps are only available certain regions.

If Rebeltech(replace with your favourite etailer) only sold to customers in Pretoria and not in Kempton, how would you feel? Obviously if you really wanted to buy something from them you would pay someone like Ichigo(replace with your favourite shipping service) to circumvent those senseless restrictions.

So in terms of the subject, if using a proxy, DNS or VPN service to bypass geo-ip restrictions. then yes I am a pirate. I will always attempt to pay for a service/product.

In terms of your DSTV subscription, if you go camping in Botswana and take your DSTV decoder and a camping dish with to watch the rugby, you are watching it illegally. You need to get a new subscription & decoder from a local retailer. Now does this seem right to you?

I cannot agree more. We are being ripped of by monopolies like Multi choice. I am using Unotelly for my Apple TV to watch Hulu and Netflix and all in all it costs 1/3 of DSTV premium. How can we be labeled pirates based on where we live? Bloody ridiculous!
 
Re: Netflix Cracks Down on VPN and Proxy "Pirates"

I cannot agree more. We are being ripped of by monopolies like Multi choice. I am using Unotelly for my Apple TV to watch Hulu and Netflix and all in all it costs 1/3 of DSTV premium. How can we be labeled pirates based on where we live? Bloody ridiculous!

Exact same setup using Apple TV and UnoTelly for Hulu and Netflix. We're paying for these services with Netflix and Hulu, legitimately.
 
Netflix themselves are not really to blame for it.

"The changes, which may also affect legitimate users, have been requested by the movie studios who want full control over what people can see in their respective countries"

My question is do they do it out of spite? They do realize all they are doing is losing money because they are not promoting these movies/tv shows right?. These services could indeed be the end of DSTV if offered commercially in SA, and it would be well worth it. DSTV shows shit anyways.

Also see this article, which is also very interesting https://torrentfreak.com/heres-interview-pirates-coming-141230/
 
Its already here, Vidi does not look too bad.

Unfortunately, if you used to Hulu/Netflix combo, Vidi has a long way to go.
 
It is a chicken/egg story, without a good customer base they cannot afford to provide the same level of service, and with out a good well priced product they cannot get the customers.

As for Multichoice, IMHO they are actually providing a good value for money product. However the Boxoffice/Catchup dervice still need a lot of work and content. And the Premium package is worthless without a PVR. I do like the fact that Boxoffice provides access to the movies I missed on circuit and not yet available anywhere else. (At a reasonable price)
 
Yup. Im exited for Vidi. It is a step in the right direction. But as you mentioned being used to Hulu and Netflix makes Vidi look really dull still and not to mention the price. At least new released movies is relatively cheap to rent compared to the iTunes store.


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I just tested my android Netflix app and it is still working. The Amazon appstore doesn't seem to be rolling out a new version just yet (I'm not going download some hacked apk)

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Multichoice their own worst enemy. As a satellite service, they can effectively subsidise dstv installations for the entire nation at a reduced subscription and make oodles more money and hook everybody. The sattelite signal goes out to the entire region and number of users have no effect.

Its not like hulu or netflix, they can add 20m more customers amd it would not cost them a cent more for infratructure costs. In fact they would make more from advertising revenue as well.
 
Ok, maybe a little more infrastructure costs because they have to manage all the extra subscribers info on the satellite signal
 
The sad thing is that it is still seen as piracy, the same as smuggling DVD's from america to here just because its not out here yet, without paying tax it becomes a crime
 
What also sticks is if this happens you ain't be able to change the Netflix location in order to get the content that are only on Netflix from keys day Netherlands.
 
Re: Netflix Cracks Down on VPN and Proxy "Pirates"

On your router, forward all traffic going to 8.8.8.8 to your gateway or router IP. Sorted.

The Roku Netflix app got hit with this block a little while back and this is the workaround. Will apply to mobile device apps too.

Of they start blocking the IP's of providers like Unotelly, then it is their job to get that sorted. It has happened before so no problem I reckon. They know how to provide their services.
 
Absolutely nOTHING stops you from running your own private VPN cloud boxes in the US and ZA. Just dont advertise it and maybe just share with 5 friends for the cost :)

STILL cheaper than dstv and access proper content.
 
Absolutely nOTHING stops you from running your own private VPN cloud boxes in the US and ZA. Just dont advertise it and maybe just share with 5 friends for the cost :)

STILL cheaper than dstv and access proper content.
Do you have a link to something like this? Would like to read up on it but have no clue as to what to Google :)
 
Do you have a link to something like this? Would like to read up on it but have no clue as to what to Google :)

Not sure what he means. Either he means virtual private servers or dedicated servers which is impractical. It will be like trying to watch a movie over team viewer. Our internet speeds are too shit for that. Or he means aqquiring the content via illegal means on seedboxes which is more what his suggestion sounds like with the whole don't advertise mumbo.

Correct me if I'm wrong...
 
No I think he means running your own VPN server; i.e redirecting the network traffic and not some sort of remote desktop.
So if the IP ranges of the commercial VPN services get blocked your own should be fine.

There are just too many ways to bypass these restrictions and blocking some users based on certain criteria will block legitimate users. Some Version and Comcast users have started using VPN to bypass the throttling their ISPs impose. And we think our service providers are bad?

It is the use of GPS and mobile provider identification on android that would be a bit harder to bypass.

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That statement might get you banned :p


It's not so much about that. This forum is strict on piracy as you may have seen. Your statement is a grey area. You stated "It leaves me no option but to pirate". Maybe you should have just been more specific about your intention :)
#justsayin' , not starting an argument
To say something on this:

The South African law on electronic media is a bit old and outdated. As such, the law DOES NOT prohibit downloading pirated goods such as movies and series as long as it's for your own personal use, is not sold and is not spread. This is very interesting because suddenly is makes streaming media, be it legally sourced or not, legal in SA even if it would constitute piracy in other countries. The golden rule is to keep it to yourself and not distribute.

Do note, however, that this makes P2P connections illegal as you seed back to the populace, which is where the criminal part comes in. Netflix in SA was perfectly legal but for some reason people are going crazy now. And I actually planned on getting Netflix soon, even built a PC for it. FFS.
 
meh, they did this about 18months ago as well and dont think it will go much further. Netflix will loose to much business if they actively implement it. They will hit and stop some of the well known VPN DNS/IP's but wont stop all of them.
 
Do note, however, that this makes P2P connections illegal as you seed back to the populace, which is where the criminal part comes in

Do note that there is no law mentioning P2P. That is how they have been getting around it in most non US countries. It is only deemed criminal if you make a profit, and in SA, that is only on local content.
The law is a very tedious thing and people will exploit it anywhere they can. That's just the way it is.
 
meh, they did this about 18months ago as well and dont think it will go much further. Netflix will loose to much business if they actively implement it. They will hit and stop some of the well known VPN DNS/IP's but wont stop all of them.

Yeah, but as the article says, this time around it's the movie studios pushing Netflix to play ball. My guess is if Netflix is not successful in this endeavor they will just run to their friends in the MPAA and DMCA. It never ends :/
 
And copying my Cd's to my phone or iPod is illigal in this country.

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Do note that there is no law mentioning P2P.

There isn't, but any form of distributing, either local or international is seen as illegal on any content - locally owned or internationally owned. Thereby implying that P2P is illegal purely based on how it works.
 

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