Keyboard Nut Thread

[Oj0]

The only keyboard nut I know of is the loose nut behind the keyboard of the person reading this.

 

[PandaAttack1]

The only keyboard nut I know of is the loose nut behind the keyboard of the person reading this.

no u

 

[Cookieninja7872]

Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening

Hope your having a great day.
So, I recently bought the Redragon Draconic 60% with Outemu browns switches. Really is a solid keyboard and have been enjoying every second of it. Done some light modding like added sound dampening foam on the inside, added some spacers between everything that could vibrate when typing, clipped the stabilizers, snuggly fitted the stabilizers so they don't shake, sprayed the backplate white so the RGBs reflect better (would recommend to anyone) and switched out a few switches with the switches that where included in the box (Just to get a feel of the other switches).

However, there is no fairy tale without a wicked witch and as I recently discovered it that the "Hot Swappable" switches are exclusive to Outemu switches and that the Gateron Reds I wanted to switch them out for won't fit because apparently the Draconic has "thinner or shallower" pin sockets. After some research I have discovered that you can file down the switch pins to make them fit, however I have never done something like this and don't really want to spend the money on the switches if it might not work.

So I was wondering has anyone got any advice for me on what I can do to make the switches fit and has anyone filed down their switch pins before???? Also, I have also been looking for Outemu Red switches as I thought it might just be easier to replace them with Outemu reds, but I can't seem to find anywhere that sells Outemu red switches (Except a few amazon links, but they are more expensive the gaterons).
So basically, if you know of a place that sells Outemu Red switches please let me know. Also is it safe to file down pin switches?

Thanks for your time hope the rest of your day is even better.

 

[PandaAttack1]

Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening

Hope your having a great day.
So, I recently bought the Redragon Draconic 60% with Outemu browns switches. Really is a solid keyboard and have been enjoying every second of it. Done some light modding like added sound dampening foam on the inside, added some spacers between everything that could vibrate when typing, clipped the stabilizers, snuggly fitted the stabilizers so they don't shake, sprayed the backplate white so the RGBs reflect better (would recommend to anyone) and switched out a few switches with the switches that where included in the box (Just to get a feel of the other switches).

However, there is no fairy tale without a wicked witch and as I recently discovered it that the "Hot Swappable" switches are exclusive to Outemu switches and that the Gateron Reds I wanted to switch them out for won't fit because apparently the Draconic has "thinner or shallower" pin sockets. After some research I have discovered that you can file down the switch pins to make them fit, however I have never done something like this and don't really want to spend the money on the switches if it might not work.

So I was wondering has anyone got any advice for me on what I can do to make the switches fit and has anyone filed down their switch pins before???? Also, I have also been looking for Outemu Red switches as I thought it might just be easier to replace them with Outemu reds, but I can't seem to find anywhere that sells Outemu red switches (Except a few amazon links, but they are more expensive the gaterons).
So basically, if you know of a place that sells Outemu Red switches please let me know. Also is it safe to file down pin switches?

Thanks for your time hope the rest of your day is even better.

Ah, yes. Outemu 'hotswap' sockets. As your luck would have it, I have the same board, and attempted the same.

Long story short, yes you can modify file/grind down the pins to fit. It's tedious, and you would do yourself a huge favour if you use some form of rotary tool. Also note that you can only use switches that make provision for SMD LED's. Otherwise you will seriously mutilate a switch to make it work.

Here is a more detailed post I made about my findings:

Keyboard Nut Thread | Tech Other

Still feel the cheaper 60% are highly underrated. Installed o-rings on my DK61 Pro and wow I was surprised by the feeling I got from it. Key presses feel more evenly and consistently. It is just a joy and it made the keyboard slightly more quiet which my household praised me for. There are...

carbonite.co.za

Given the modifications you've done already, this might be worth while to look into.

 

[PandaAttack1]

@Cookieninja7872 , you can get Gateron Reds locally from Evetech at only R299 for 120 switches.

They have space for the surface mount LEDs and you get more than enough to fuck up a switch or two in the filing process;

Glorious Gateron Red Mechanical Keyboard Switches

Buy Glorious Gateron Red Mechanical Keyboard Switches at discounted price. Evetech is your one source for the best Keyboard switches deals in South Africa.

www.evetech.co.za

Go for it! And post your results here. Also post some pictures of your board!

Edit: Screw it. I'm ordering a set as well to do the same.

 

[Cookieninja7872]

Great thanks for the advice. Just ordered myself some, didn't even notice they where on special. Secondly, know any place I can get some lube for the switches and good silicone grease for the stabz?

 

[PandaAttack1]

Great thanks for the advice. Just ordered myself some, didn't even notice they where on special. Secondly, know any place I can get some lube for the switches and good silicone grease for the stabz?

Awesome! I just sent through my order in via email so I can collect early this coming week.

There are no local Krytox or Tribosys suppliers in South Africa unfortunately. Your options are either to order in from NovelKeys, or join the search for an alternative.

Apparently silicone oil can be used, but wears off in about 6 months. After which you would have to reapply.

You can find dielectric (silicone) grease at most electronic and hobby stores for your stabs. This would also be the place to look for 100% silicon oil.

I wanted to buy some last week and see if I can mix the oil and grease to get a consistency which is fine for switch lube. Hopefully I can pop out the office sometime this week to make the purchase.

 

[Cookieninja7872]

Awesome! I just sent through my order in via email so I can collect early this coming week.

There are no local Krytox or Tribosys suppliers in South Africa unfortunately. Your options are either to order in from NovelKeys, or join the search for an alternative.

Apparently silicone oil can be used, but wears off in about 6 months. After which you would have to reapply.

You can find dielectric grease at most electronic and hobby stores for your stabs. This would also be the place to look for 100% silicon oil.

I wanted to buy some last week and see if I can mix the oil and grease to get a consistency which is fine for switch lube. Hopefully I can pop out the office sometime this week to make the purchase.

I would love to know when you find that consistency what you used for it and how it feels.

Also, don't know if you have noticed with the Draconic. When you type sometimes it sounds like there is a metal echo/vibration happening very lightly. I think it's the springs in the switches and was wondering if lubing them would remove that sound?

 

[PandaAttack1]

I would love to know when you find that consistency what you used for it and how it feels.

Also, don't know if you have noticed with the Draconic. When you type sometimes it sounds like there is a metal echo/vibration happening very lightly. I think it's the springs in the switches and was wondering if lubing them would remove that sound?

The term you are looking for is 'spring ping'. And yes, all the outemu switches I've used suffers from this greatly. Put the board up to your ear and flick a top row key a bunch of times, that 'ping' is what you want to eliminate.

This is remedied by lubing the springs. You don't HAVE to use proper switch lube for the springs, as they have no friction on the switch. There are various lubes that are perfectly fine for springs. Some even use differential oil. Google the rabbit hole.

I'm going to try a very light coat of dielectric grease on the Outemu Browns after I modified the Gateron reds to fit. I will revert back here with my findings.

 

[Cookieninja7872]

Since I'm only ready replacing these soon I'm not gonna bother doing that to these switches. I might try find some silicone based oil for the springs when my gaterons arrive. Thanks for all the help.

 

[PandaAttack1]

Are you tired of using arrow keys to navigate text? Use Panda's unix like AutoHotKey script!

I program on a mac/linux, and move my cursor around with control + f, b, p, n to move it forward, back, up (previous) and down (next). I was extremely annoyed when I had to work or type on Windows and now use AHK to emulate the same behaviour.

I wrote a little AHK script that disables your caps-lock, and changes it to give you 'control' like unix behaviour.

Caps + f: Move cursor one forward.
Caps + b: Move cursor one back.
Caps + n: Move cursor one down.
Caps + p: Move cursor one up.
Caps + a: Move cursor to start of the line.
Caps + e: Move cursor to end of the line.
Caps + d: Delete next character.
Caps + h: Backspace.
Caps + k: Delete current line. (In unix this will only delete everything after the cursor, but I am not able to replicate the behavior in Windows yet.)

Your bottom row control buttons will still function as normal. (Control + f will still Find, etc.)

Download from here:

unix.ahk

drive.google.com

 

[Cujo26]

I'm stealing this script

Are you tired of using arrow keys to navigate text? Use Panda's unix like AutoHotKey script!

I program on a mac/linux, and move my cursor around with control + f, b, p, n to move it forward, back, up (previous) and down (next). I was extremely annoyed when I had to work or type on Windows and now use AHK to emulate the same behaviour.

I wrote a little AHK script that disables your caps-lock, and changes it to give you 'control' like unix behaviour.

Caps + f: Move cursor one forward.
Caps + b: Move cursor one back.
Caps + n: Move cursor one down.
Caps + p: Move cursor one back.
Caps + a: Move cursor to start of the line.
Caps + e: Move cursor to end of the line.
Caps + d: Delete next character.
Caps + h: Backspace.
Caps + k: Delete current line. (In unix this will only delete everything after the cursor, but I am not able to replicate the behavior in Windows yet.)

Your bottom row control buttons will still function as normal. (Control + f will still Find, etc.)

Download from here:

unix.ahk

drive.google.com

 

[SCHUMI4EVER]

Are you tired of using arrow keys to navigate text? Use Panda's unix like AutoHotKey script!

I program on a mac/linux, and move my cursor around with control + f, b, p, n to move it forward, back, up (previous) and down (next). I was extremely annoyed when I had to work or type on Windows and now use AHK to emulate the same behaviour.

I wrote a little AHK script that disables your caps-lock, and changes it to give you 'control' like unix behaviour.

Caps + f: Move cursor one forward.
Caps + b: Move cursor one back.
Caps + n: Move cursor one down.
Caps + p: Move cursor one back.
Caps + a: Move cursor to start of the line.
Caps + e: Move cursor to end of the line.
Caps + d: Delete next character.
Caps + h: Backspace.
Caps + k: Delete current line. (In unix this will only delete everything after the cursor, but I am not able to replicate the behavior in Windows yet.)

Your bottom row control buttons will still function as normal. (Control + f will still Find, etc.)

Download from here:

unix.ahk

drive.google.com

How
on
earth
do
you
remember
what
key
goes
with
what
shortcut?

I mean it's cool and all but it would take me centuries to remember such a random layout. It's not even like you set yourself a new WASD-like cluster, instead the keys are just all over the show.

If moving through text was that important to me I'd definitely draw the line at a 65%er.

 

[AinsleyHarriott]

I am using a Dell SK-8135.

Can I be considered a keyboard nut?

 

[ghostR]

I was today years old when I discovered this thread... WHO IS BASHING JADES?!?!?!?

 

[PandaAttack1]

How
on
earth
do
you
remember
what
key
goes
with
what
shortcut?

I mean it's cool and all but it would take me centuries to remember such a random layout. It's not even like you set yourself a new WASD-like cluster, instead the keys are just all over the show.

If moving through text was that important to me I'd definitely draw the line at a 65%er.

I think these key bindings originally come from navigating text in emacs on unix based systems? This is not for your average joe, but rather someone who types a ton, programs or spends their time in a terminal/putty.

It's objectively faster to press control+f to move my cursor forward, than it is to move my right hand to press the right arrow key. My index finger is probably already resting on F, and my left pinky already on capslock.

Some these shortcuts are actually rather intuitive. f for forward, b for back, n for next, p for previous. It's not that bad. It's designed around the home row, so you have to move your fingers the minimum distance to do what you want to do.

If you touch type you can easily learn some of these in an evening to improve your editing speed and efficiency. Once you start using them, you will never go back to arrow keys.

ps. This is not my brain child. This is just standard unix behaviour.

 

[PandaAttack1]

I was today years old when I discovered this thread... WHO IS BASHING JADES?!?!?!?

Jade gang unite! (@Razia you're not welcome anymore, you are mos pale blue gang now.)

Edit: and welcome. Feel free to discuss and share anything keyboard related. There's a lot of knowledge with the participants in this thread. We're not enough to justify a forum section, yet. So unfortunately everything is hidden in this single thread.

 

[Razia]

hurtfeelings.jpg

 

[ghostR]

It's strange though, been a Keyboard builder and enthusiast for years, but never really thought (or used my brain it seems) that there would be a section. It does deserve its own section but that's but its a start.

P.S Im still torn between if I like Box Jades or Navy's more...

 

[Razia]

Try pale blues. I'm sure you'll come to the pale side then

 

[ghostR]

Try pale blues. I'm sure you'll come to the pale side then

pfft, that's just a wimpy sounding box white. But would still love to try them, you never know hahaha

Edit: Also, what keyboards/sets are you guys using?

 

[PandaAttack1]

pfft, that's just a wimpy sounding box white. But would still love to try them, you never know hahaha

Edit: Also, what keyboards/sets are you guys using?

Here's my current favourites:

- Of the shelf: Ducky 3087, soldered mx browns and side printed pbt caps.. (soon to be box burnt orange)
- Custom: ErgoDox EZ, hotswap with kailh speed copper and sculpted pbt caps. (soon to be glorious pandas)
- DIY: Iris (she is broken),
- Vintage: '93 IBM Buckling Spring.

 

[Razia]

I'm currently running the Mysterium TKl DIY kit and have a black PCB's incoming to use with my Metropolis Keycaps.

 

[PandaAttack1]

I'm currently running the Mysterium TKl DIY kit and have a black PCB's incoming to use with my Metropolis Keycaps.

Please remember to keep me in mind when you want to thin out some of those Mysterium PCBs.

 

[Cujo26]

pfft, that's just a wimpy sounding box white. But would still love to try them, you never know hahaha

Edit: Also, what keyboards/sets are you guys using?

DK61 Snowfox with Kailh Box blacks, currently have a Sofle WIP, hoping to use Banana splits with it when my mate can ship them to me

 

[PandaAttack1]

DK61 Snowfox with Kailh Box blacks, currently have a Sofle WIP, hoping to use Banana splits with it when my mate can ship them to me

How are those box blacks? I'm getting some gateron blacks in our group buy. I also have a CM Storm TKL that I used for years with mx blacks. Been with a friend for over year so I've forgotten how they feel. When I get the board back it will be like getting a new board again.

 

[Cujo26]

How are those box blacks? I'm getting some gateron blacks in our group buy. I also have a CM Storm TKL that I used for years with mx blacks. Been with a friend for over year so I've forgotten how they feel. When I get the board back it will be like getting a new board again.

Ah man they're great! I love them a lot, in my experience the box blacks feel a little bit smoother than other blacks, but I think that might partially because the stem is just a little bit more stable overall

 

[maq_]

Does anyone know what red switches the HP Pavilion 800 keyboard uses?

I see it says red switches but they don't specify which red switches...

Sent from my SM-M307F using Tapatalk

 

[PandaAttack1]

Does anyone know what red switches the HP Pavilion 800 keyboard uses?

I see it says red switches but they don't specify which red switches...

Sent from my SM-M307F using Tapatalk

Seems to be Outemu Red switches.

 

[maq_]

Seems to be Outemu Red switches.

Will normal keycaps work on these switches?