Bikers!?

[ovisser1]

Ooooooof.

[Insert prove me wrong meme here]

 

[PandaAttack1]

[Insert prove me wrong meme here]

I'm not a boxer owner, so I wouldn't know about RPMs not picking up quick enough. 😭

 

[ovisser1]

I'm not a boxer owner, so I wouldn't know about RPMs not picking up quick enough. 😭

To be fair, it only redlines at (IIRC) 6k rpm ?

I can't really say much because mine redlines at 8500+-, but lets just say the R1200R I rode didn't really like high RPMs

 

[PandaAttack1]

To be fair, it only redlines at (IIRC) 6k rpm ?

I can't really say much because mine redlines at 8500+-, but lets just say the R1200R I rode didn't really like high RPMs

I'm only teasing though... I had the opportunity to take a rip on Spike's 1200 Rally, and that thing pulls like a race horse. Wacko's 1250 GS also farks off. Nothing wrong with the modern boxers in capable hands.

 

[ovisser1]

I'm only teasing though... I had the opportunity to take a rip on Spike's 1200 Rally, and that thing pulls like a race horse. Wacko's 1250 GS also farks off. Nothing wrong with the modern boxers in capable hands.

Then it must be the capable hands problem, the one I rode really didn't appreciate what I tried doing with it

 

[D3TTOL]

Then it must be the capable hands problem, the one I rode really didn't appreciate what I tried doing with it

Well to be fair you don't push bikes anyway. You ride them like a granny

 

[Byakugan]

I found a bmw bike that doesnt swing to the side when accelerating. My 1 yr old tested it on saturday.

BMW Motorbike S1000RR Black - Ride On Cars - ChelinoBaby

The kids Ride On Car is perfectly designed for for your child. A fully functional ride on car suitable for children from ages 18 to 36 months.

chelino.co.za

 

[Areola Grande]

Front forks and rear shock have been sent it for a rebuild. Now we wait.

 

[J37]

Front forks and rear shock have been sent it for a rebuild. Now we wait.

Where'd you send them to?

 

[Areola Grande]

Where'd you send them to?

Shock Logic in Kyalami.

 

[BlueCrayon]

Hey guys,

If you had a budget of around R35k, for a second hand dual purpose bike/super moto type of bike, which bike would you get?

For some trail riding, and maybe taking me to work a few times a week. No highway riding.

 

[Areola Grande]

Something like this maybe?

BMW G650 XMoto for sale in Bellville - ID: 27434197

Used 2007 BMW G650 XMoto For Sale - R 35 000 - ID: 27434197

www.autotrader.co.za

Or there's this

Yamaha XT 350 for sale in Sandton - ID: 27453533

Used 1996 Yamaha XT 350 For Sale - R 29 990 - ID: 27453533

www.autotrader.co.za

 

[BlueCrayon]

Something like this maybe?

BMW G650 XMoto for sale in Bellville - ID: 27434197

Used 2007 BMW G650 XMoto For Sale - R 35 000 - ID: 27434197

www.autotrader.co.za

Or there's this

Yamaha XT 350 for sale in Sandton - ID: 27453533

Used 1996 Yamaha XT 350 For Sale - R 29 990 - ID: 27453533

www.autotrader.co.za

Lol, the BMW is the reason I made this post. It's right down the road from me, but I know absolutely nothing about these types of bikes, always really liked them and this style of bike.

I'm also not getting any younger.

 

[PandaAttack1]

Hey guys,

If you had a budget of around R35k, for a second hand dual purpose bike/super moto type of bike, which bike would you get?

For some trail riding, and maybe taking me to work a few times a week. No highway riding.

Hmmm, probably a 650GS and a willingness to work on the machine myself.

DRZ400 if you can find one in good nick? (Usually they are quite abused at this price point.) Yamaha XT660? KLR 650?

This is quite popular segment for the same reasons you are shopping here, and most of these bikes here has lost all their value. So condition mostly dictates price.

 

[M@tree2]

Lol, the BMW is the reason I made this post. It's right down the road from me, but I know absolutely nothing about these types of bikes, always really liked them and this style of bike.

I'm also not getting any younger.

The X-Challenge bikes had a problem with the Cush hub rubbers, if memory serves me correctly.
It's a part that is pretty difficult to come by in SA and generally speaking...
That was based on some of my research, when I was looking into one of these...

There are some BMW 650GS's in that price range, good bike overall, but make sure it has a service history, as most have been abused in one way or another. Also you should be prepared to do some work on the one you do buy, as it will need some touching up in one way or another, considering most will be around 18 years old...

Edit, to add a bike that is unkillable is the good old KLR650

 

[PandaAttack1]

The X-Challenge bikes had a problem with the Cush hub rubbers, if memory serves me correctly.
It's a part that is pretty difficult to come by in SA and generally speaking...
That was based on some of my research, when I was looking into one of these...

There are some BMW 650GS's in that price range, good bike overall, but make sure it has a service history, as most have been abused in one way or another. Also you should be prepared to do some work on the one you do buy, as it will need some touching up in one way or another, considering most will be around 18 years old...

Edit, to add a bike that is unkillable is the good old KLR650

Yip, 100% agree that the bikes in this range are used and abused in some way. Luckily, most dualsports are made to take the beating. Finding a well maintained GS or KLR shouldn't be too hard.

Also @BlueCrayon , you should really be prepared to do some of the work yourself. These bikes are quite simple though, and there are 1000s of guides and write ups on their maintenance and common problems. And you can do most of it with basic tools.

 

[BlueCrayon]

The X-Challenge bikes had a problem with the Cush hub rubbers, if memory serves me correctly.
It's a part that is pretty difficult to come by in SA and generally speaking...
That was based on some of my research, when I was looking into one of these...

There are some BMW 650GS's in that price range, good bike overall, but make sure it has a service history, as most have been abused in one way or another. Also you should be prepared to do some work on the one you do buy, as it will need some touching up in one way or another, considering most will be around 18 years old...

Edit, to add a bike that is unkillable is the good old KLR650

Interesting, would you buy this specific bike?

Is the KLR650 not too much of a donkey?

Yip, 100% agree that the bikes in this range are used and abused in some way. Luckily, most dualsports are made to take the beating. Finding a well maintained GS or KLR shouldn't be too hard.

Also @BlueCrayon , you should really be prepared to do some of the work yourself. These bikes are quite simple though, and there are 1000s of guides and write ups on their maintenance and common problems. And you can do most of it with basic tools.

100% bro, working on your own bikes/cars is the best part imo.

I know you meant older GS bikes but This BMW is really quite a good looking machine. and not too expensive either.

Generally I'm trying to keep under 35k , don't want to go too deep into something I have no clue about. [ This might change, I dont want to buy junk ]

 

[M@tree2]

Yip, 100% agree that the bikes in this range are used and abused in some way. Luckily, most dualsports are made to take the beating. Finding a well maintained GS or KLR shouldn't be too hard.

Also @BlueCrayon , you should really be prepared to do some of the work yourself. These bikes are quite simple though, and there are 1000s of guides and write ups on their maintenance and common problems. And you can do most of it with basic tools.

100% Agreed on that. They are hardy bikes, the 650GS in SA might have a bigger following in terms of spares and accessories though?
Either are going to be good bet...
[I won't recommend a DL650, good bike on road, nowhere on any form of gravel, and handles like a kite at anything north of 120kmh]

Side note, if you go the 650GS route, look for one that has ABS, and ensure that it's working and not throwing an error.

EDIT:
@BlueCrayon , I wouldn't buy a X-Challenge 650, as it will turn into a brick with the hub rubbers at some point.
The KLR is a bit of a donkey, being carburetor based, and not FI based, but it will go forever and a day, NO ABS option though, if you feel that is important to you. [I would recommend it, but then again, I prefer to be safer]

 

[BlueCrayon]

100% Agreed on that. They are hardy bikes, the 650GS in SA might have a bigger following in terms of spares and accessories though?
Either are going to be good bet...
[I won't recommend a DL650, good bike on road, nowhere on any form of gravel, and handles like a kite at anything north of 120kmh]

Side note, if you go the 650GS route, look for one that has ABS, and ensure that it's working and not throwing an error.

EDIT:
@BlueCrayon , I wouldn't buy a X-Challenge 650, as it will turn into a brick with the hub rubbers at some point.
The KLR is a bit of a donkey, being carburetor based, and not FI based, but it will go forever and a day, NO ABS option though, if you feel that is important to you. [I would recommend it, but then again, I prefer to be safer]

I see, thanks for the information bro, and I will take your advice.

You and @PandaAttack1 seem quite clued up. Youtube here I come for the next few weeks watching everything.

 

[Wacko_ZA]

I'm only teasing though... I had the opportunity to take a rip on Spike's 1200 Rally, and that thing pulls like a race horse. Wacko's 1250 GS also farks off. Nothing wrong with the modern boxers in capable hands.

Im late to this discussion, but let me tell you, the R1300GS boxer DESTROYS my 1250, in every scenario... 1st gear pulls, 3rd gear pulls, 6th gear low speed pulls.
It destroys my 1250 in top end too!

Remember, boxer motors were never meant to be speed machines, they were torque machines.
They dont like high revs.
I find my 1250's happy medium between 5k and 7k rpm.

1300 Destroying a 1250 below:

 

[Wacko_ZA]

SO, I have to vent a little... I always loved Fortnine, his videos were pretty good....
However a week ago he released a video that annoyed me a little, I have lost quite a bit of respect for him, willingly nitpicking studies (OLD ONES WITH THAT) to support his argument.
Stating armor in our riding jeans/jackets etc are useless.....

Needless to say people are pretty anger and up in arms.
Below bennett's bike social's response.. its a long one, but some very good info in it! ATGAT.

 

[Trompie67]

[I won't recommend a DL650, good bike on road, nowhere on any form of gravel, and handles like a kite at anything north of 120kmh]

Really? I did just shy of 20,000km's on one during the 5 weeks of the 2010 world cup - I was one of "94,7FM/BP Ranger" twats that were "roving reporters" for traffic in Jhb during the 2010 WC. 94.7 got them as rentals - brand new out the crate. We had to take them back for 1st service, then 6k, 12k & 18k services. We rode the snot out of them - when we weren't "on duty" we had some fun - Red Star had just opened, so we took a jaunt around the track a few times, also did an enduro loop at the old Daytona dirt track by Northern Sewerage Works next to D(r)ainfern few times! (May have done a few loops on the MX track too, albeit slowly ).
It was NOT my KTM EXC-W, but it handled the dirt pretty well all considered, with the way we abused used them I was pretty impressed.
If I was in the market for such a bike I would buy one without hesitation. They're not inspiring or even aspirational, let alone exciting, but as a day-to-day get shit done as a commuter bike they were the bomb. On par I reckon with the Honda NC700 models - but with a lot more personality & some dirt ability too.

*edit* - Adding some preload to the rear sorted the weaving we encountered at "elevated" speeds. 180km/h indicated was where it topped out & it would weave, but firming up the rear solved that problem. Riding home to Kyalami from NASREC at 01h00 in winter was not fun, so it was done as quick as possible! 😇

 

[M@tree2]

SO, I have to vent a little... I always loved Fortnine, his videos were pretty good....
However a week ago he released a video that annoyed me a little, I have lost quite a bit of respect for him, willingly nitpicking studies (OLD ONES WITH THAT) to support his argument.
Stating armor in our riding jeans/jackets etc are useless.....

Needless to say people are pretty anger and up in arms.
Below bennett's bike social's response.. its a long one, but some very good info in it! ATGAT.

Found his video to be rather sub-par and very off the mark on this one...
I have noticed that he has been pushing the airbag products a fair bit recently, so discredit one form of safety gear, while simultaneously promoting another one?

Don't understand how he trashes normal CE rated protectors, but promotes them in a link below his video?
One thing he has done, is managed to get everyone talking about the safety in motorcycling, which is a good thing in the bigger picture?
Note, it was also posted on 1 April

Also watched the response video, it was well thought out and overall instilled more confidence in their findings.
I will forever take level 2 CE over nothing...

Really? I did just shy of 20,000km's on one during the 5 weeks of the 2010 world cup - I was one of "94,7FM/BP Ranger" twats that were "roving reporters" for traffic in Jhb during the 2010 WC. 94.7 got them as rentals - brand new out the crate. We had to take them back for 1st service, then 6k, 12k & 18k services. We rode the snot out of them - when we weren't "on duty" we had some fun - Red Star had just opened, so we took a jaunt around the track a few times, also did an enduro loop at the old Daytona dirt track by Northern Sewerage Works next to D(r)ainfern few times! (May have done a few loops on the MX track too, albeit slowly ).
It was NOT my KTM EXC-W, but it handled the dirt pretty well all considered, with the way we abused used them I was pretty impressed.
If I was in the market for such a bike I would buy one without hesitation. They're not inspiring or even aspirational, let alone exciting, but as a day-to-day get shit done as a commuter bike they were the bomb. On par I reckon with the Honda NC700 models - but with a lot more personality & some dirt ability too.

*edit* - Adding some preload to the rear sorted the weaving we encountered at "elevated" speeds. 180km/h indicated was where it topped out & it would weave, but firming up the rear solved that problem. Riding home to Kyalami from NASREC at 01h00 in winter was not fun, so it was done as quick as possible! 😇

That's surprising, that would likely have been the '09/'10 MY bike? Glad to hear that you had a good experience with them overall!
It could be that I just had a poor example that was not 100% when I bought it.
I just didn't like the way it tracked at 120+kmh, it weaved as you described, that was with the preload at the rear increased a fair amount, and maxed out as an experiment.
The V-Twin engines are bullet proof though, sound amazing and have plenty of character on offer!
As quick as possible,
Much happier with the old mans bike

 

[Wacko_ZA]

True it was posted on April first, but if it was a joke, it was a very poor one in extremely bad taste.
This is not the first controversial one he has made, but as he calls himself a gear dealer, dont go around giving out bad advice.
Look airbags are amazing pieces of kit, we have seen them work EXTREMELY well in motogp and WSBK, however the price points, in SA are just too high still.
Would I love to have one? sure!

 

[HNO3ZA]

I decided to get some side panniers for my bike... Should have them installed by next week if all goes well.... Should be fun on me and my dads long trips now...

 

[ovisser1]

True it was posted on April first, but if it was a joke, it was a very poor one in extremely bad taste.
This is not the first controversial one he has made, but as he calls himself a gear dealer, dont go around giving out bad advice.
Look airbags are amazing pieces of kit, we have seen them work EXTREMELY well in motogp and WSBK, however the price points, in SA are just too high still.
Would I love to have one? sure!

While i didn't watch it with 100% focus, from what I remember he did eventually admit they do help; but more for slides than fractures?

Which kinda makes sense ?

Is that the part you disagree with or am I missing something again?

 

[Wacko_ZA]

While i didn't watch it with 100% focus, from what I remember he did eventually admit they do help; but more for slides than fractures?

Which kinda makes sense ?

Is that the part you disagree with or am I missing something again?

Kevlar helps with slides.... the more robust the material, the greater your slide time.
CE Armor (level 2 is pretty much the standard with most decent gear) DOES reduce the force of impact, thus reducing the likelihood of fractures.
Go watch the 30 min video I posted, where BOTH the people fortnine misquoted to suit his narrative speak out. the one guy has about 15 minutes of talk time.
The other REALLY big annoyance for me is the fact that he uses a 2011 study, and then compares riding armor to horse riding armor... COMPETELY different mechanisms of speed, impact and injury, great job.

No armor is perfect, if you dont want to get hurt, dont go riding. we all accept the risk.
What annoys me shitless, is NEW riders (like i was in 2018) stumble across his videos and tend to take to heart quite a bit of what he says.

Here is a nice link explaining quite a bit of the armor.

Sorry if the posts are ranty, to be honest, I am just a little shocked that something like that came from him.
Motorcycle Armor Ratings Explained :: MotorcycleGear.com

 

[Spontaneous.Spinach]

The first thing i did when I got a bike was get a race suit to look like a power ranger

 

[D3TTOL]

SO, I have to vent a little... I always loved Fortnine, his videos were pretty good....
However a week ago he released a video that annoyed me a little, I have lost quite a bit of respect for him, willingly nitpicking studies (OLD ONES WITH THAT) to support his argument.
Stating armor in our riding jeans/jackets etc are useless.....

Needless to say people are pretty anger and up in arms.
Below bennett's bike social's response.. its a long one, but some very good info in it! ATGAT.

Your first mistake was watching his garbage.
Him and "Yammienoob" or whatever that twat face's name is.(Not saying you watch yammiecunt but both their stuff is garbage)

 

[D3TTOL]

I decided to get some side panniers for my bike... Should have them installed by next week if all goes well.... Should be fun on me and my dads long trips now...

You should teach @ovisser1 how to install shit onto bikes. Takes him months if not years until he decides he's too lazy and gives up.

Quick question, have you done the valve service on your bike yet? If so how bad was it? xD