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I have a set of Logitech X530 5.1 speakers as well as a set of Roccat Kave 5.1 Headset. I want to use them both at the same time by using a 3.5mm audio splitter like the one below.

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My question is what sound card would you recommend for me to use? I do not want something that will break the bank, about R800 would be fine.

I was looking at the Asus Xonar D1.
 
Technically speaking onboard audio should work just fine. Back in the days, only reason to buy a soundcard was to get something that supported EAX or A3D. Nowadays however all 3D sound is done in software by the game engines, so no need.

The only single reason to get a soundcard, is if you a musician and you need a bunch of inputs and outputs which most low-end soundcards don't have.

OR perhaps because you just want one, then the ASUS line is the ones to look at.

here some links to look at and compare:
R393.76 Prophecy.co.za - Asus Xonar DGX PCI Express 5.1-channel Gaming Audio Card
R564.30 Prophecy.co.za - Asus Xonar DS Ultra Fidelity 7.1 PCI Sound Card
R569.32 Prophecy.co.za - Asus Xonar DSX 1/8 4 x 3.5 mm jack Sound Card
R744.88 Prophecy.co.za - Asus Xonar D1 Ultra Fidelity 7.1 PCI Sound Card
 
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Thanks for the advice. Seems a friend has a Xonar DX for me to try out. So will see if it makes a difference.
 
No problems. I believe some sound cards to make a different, and in your case they might, although I think you will probably only hear the difference on the headphones.

To give you some perspective, I personally use a Auzentech XFI Prelude, its quite a few years old now, but has good quality sound, but I don't think I will go out again and buy something like it. Like some of the Xonar cards, it allows replacing the OPAMPs, which make the sound signature a little different.

However, my HTPC uses onboard audio, and there my sound is 100% fine, then again I use optical out, so the onboard soundcard's DACs and opamps get bypassed, and the AV Receiver's DACs and OPAMPs are used instead. Same with HDMI, it just wouldn't make sense to buy another sound card.

Also, onboard soundcards have improved leaps and bounds the last few years. Some are really great.
 
Personally I cant stand the onboard sound. I recently changed from a X-Fi Xtreme Music that I was running for a good few years to onboard which I thought would have improved since it was the latest high end Realtek chip running on software by THX. I even purchased Creative's X-Fi MB2 since it looked simular to the X-Fi's software but no matter how you tweak the sound it cant compare to a dedicated soundcard with zero adjustment. Onboard just sounds muddy.

For movies I didn't mind but listening to music was just frustrating like you wouldn't believe. I now have a DX and I did compare it to the X-Fi before selling it. I do prefer the X-Fi but the difference is minute between the two. The X-Fi had cleaner high frequencies and the DX midrange/vocals were more pronounced and too much bass.

I'm not even running high end monitors. I'm using Logitech Z2300's. They are good PC speakers but they still are PC speakers and yet the difference in music between onboard and a dedicated card is night and day.

I would rather go for a PCIe card instead of PCI like the D1 as the legacy slot is effectively dead and you might not be able to get a mobo with PCI for your card when you upgrade.
 
Personally I cant stand the onboard sound. I recently changed from a X-Fi Xtreme Music that I was running for a good few years to onboard which I thought would have improved since it was the latest high end Realtek chip running on software by THX. I even purchased Creative's X-Fi MB2 since it looked simular to the X-Fi's software but no matter how you tweak the sound it cant compare to a dedicated soundcard with zero adjustment. Onboard just sounds muddy.

For movies I didn't mind but listening to music was just frustrating like you wouldn't believe. I now have a DX and I did compare it to the X-Fi before selling it. I do prefer the X-Fi but the difference is minute between the two. The X-Fi had cleaner high frequencies and the DX midrange/vocals were more pronounced and too much bass.

I'm not even running high end monitors. I'm using Logitech Z2300's. They are good PC speakers but they still are PC speakers and yet the difference in music between onboard and a dedicated card is night and day.

I would rather go for a PCIe card instead of PCI like the D1 as the legacy slot is effectively dead and you might not be able to get a mobo with PCI for your card when you upgrade.
When I listen to music at work, using onboard audio, it sounds amazing, but I have great headphones at work, so that helps. I also listen to music at home using weaker headset (with mic) using XFi, and while I can hear the music sounds better, its not by much.
 
When I listen to music at work, using onboard audio, it sounds amazing, but I have great headphones at work, so that helps. I also listen to music at home using weaker headset (with mic) using XFi, and while I can hear the music sounds better, its not by much.

I can't really relate to headphones since I have no experience with them. I use earphones on my laptop but thats about it. Since OP uses them he should take note of your experiences. Then again, sound is highly subjective and it not ideal making a decision on information alone. Its a good thing he managed to get the DX for a test run. Peoples preferences to what sounds good differs, even what I used to think sounded awesome when I was younger sounds absolutely horrendous now :p
 
Soundcards certainly make a difference.

My friend asked me to demonstrate this difference since he couldn't decide if he wanted a proper soundcard or not. The difference between my onboard(Realtek ALC898)/hdmi/SGS2 versus my unified Xonar DX on my Corsair SP2500 speakers is as clear as watching a 360p video and then switching over to 1080p.

For anyone out there with a Xonar card. Do yourself a massive favour and check this out:
ASUS XONAR Unified Drivers 1.64 (post periodically updated) | brainbit
 
After using the sound card a little I do quite like the sound. I am just trying to figure out the best settings to use. I don't want to have to change whenever I decide to switch between music/movies/games.

What kind of difference do the unified drivers make?

Any suggestions on settings for me to use?
 
I'm also using the DX and the equalizer is flat apart from the last two high frequencies. I've increased them by 1 or 2 db's. I'm also using the unified drivers.

I've also installed the Dolby Home Theatre plugin. It give you a nice popup when ever you click it on your system tray to select between Movies/Music/Games. I've disabled all effects for the music and left the default settings for Movies only increasing the sound normalization to max to avoid loud explosions/soft dialog. The software is available on the site that Bakerman linked to under software mods iirc.
 
HIFI (flat equalizer) for music and two channel
game + gx for games and multi channel

You will have to swich between them depending on application.
 
After using the sound card a little I do quite like the sound. I am just trying to figure out the best settings to use. I don't want to have to change whenever I decide to switch between music/movies/games.

What kind of difference do the unified drivers make?

Any suggestions on settings for me to use?

It's really impossible for me to suggest any settings for your setup since it's all down to the speakers you use and personal preference.

The difference between the normal asus drivers and unified drivers are quite noticeable. Apart from everything sounding crisper the entire interface is redone and there are a few options added and fixed. The unified drivers changes the very way your xonar card processes sound to change it from a PC gaming card into a (almost) professional card.

I can advise everybody with a xonar card to at least try it out, you've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

I'll post the link again: ASUS XONAR Unified Drivers 1.64 (post periodically updated) | brainbit
 
I think I will try out the unified drivers when I get home today. Thanks for the help. Can I just do a standard uninstall or do I need driver sweeper to get rid of the ASUS drivers?
 
Either or, I've been fine with both methods. It wouldn't hurt to run Driver Fusion just to be safe though. Bakerman is correct with regards to speakers and personal preference, tweak till it sounds right to you.

edit: But to be honest I cant hear a difference between the unified and the driver from Asus. I've had less hiccups with the unified driver so its still the better driver to use imho.
 
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The biggest difference between asus and unified drivers has to be the drop in DPC latency, from +200 for the asus drirvers down to 45 with unified. This is especially noticeable when working with audio editing software.
 
I really am not much of an audiophile and will most likely not benefit a huge amount from a soundcard even while gaming. I mostly play Dota2 with the occasional FPS and RPG.

I just wanted a bit of an upgrade and been looking at soundcards for quite some time. I am sure once I have it all set up though I will be happy with the difference.
 
I've posted a thread earlier today about an issue I had with my recently purchased Xonar D2, which with some advice, I was able to fix. (Turned out to be drivers.)

Before my new Xonar, I owned a X-Fi Platinum (the first generation that came out all those years ago) which after 8 years, it completely failed and died. My PC simply did not enter post with it in. During the period I waited for the new card, I was in a sense "forced" to use onboard sound. (EVGA P55 SLI mobo, with a generic Realtek audio chip.) I will say with extreme confidence that the quality/clarity of sound that onboard sounds gives simply cannot compare with a dedicated sound card. Music, movies and games all sound far greater with a sound card.

Even the 8-year-old card I had sounded many times better than the onboard. Of course, there are motherboards with very good onboard sound these days. A good friend of mine has an ASUS board with onboard X-Fi (which I find rather amazing) but motherboards like those are very expensive.

You don't need to be a musician to justify buying an expensive sound card. Personally, I think of a sound card as an investment. Something that will last very long, and no matter what happens, you always have great sound quality. Of course, it can be seen as somewhat of a "waste" if you don't have a powerful speaker setup to fully take advantage of the card. I mean, if for example you had a basic 2.1 or 5.1 system, there's only so much that they'd be able to deliver anyway. Still, you WILL hear a definite clarity difference. Especially in games. Also, if you're like my brother that bought himself a massively expensive home theater system (which has it's own amplifier), you don't need a sound card either - because the amplifier, obviously, does that job.

Many people I know don't even consider the effect of a sound card. They're just happy with plain sound from their onboard. Honestly, a sound card makes that difference. Good quality sound has an enormous effect on immersion, and so on. A few games that I can think of off the top of my head that really did make great use of the sound card (I had) was Half-Life 2 (and expansions), NFS Shift 1 & 2, UT3 and most noticeably Battlefield BC2 and BF3. (BF3's award winning sound engine truly sounds beyond incredible!) ... (which reminds me, I still have to test that with the Xonar :/)

However, a sound card does require quite a bit of tweaking with options and settings to get it sounding just how you want it. It's not a simple matter of putting it in, installing drivers and expecting an enormous change immediately. But that ability to tweak everything is what I enjoy. There are several options available to really make it sound how you want it. Far more than onboard anyway.

Anyway, if you are looking at buying a sound card, there really isn't anything else to look at besides ASUS. I was also looking at the D1, but I ended up choosing the D2 because .. well, just because. :p Better numbers and features and sh*t lol. But the main reason why I chose the D2 and not the D2x was because of the PCIe x1 interface. Seriously, that is retarded. Well, in my case it is. the only x1 slot I have is directly above my GPU. -_- With the standard PCi I could mount the D2 right at the bottom - which is what I wanted. Be aware however that ASUS drivers are no good. (Which I learned the hard way after much frustration.) Download the 3rd party drivers. (Thanks Bakerman! ^^)

Also. I also owned a ROCCAT Kave 5.1 headset. It was good until it caused issues. (With the X-Fi I had, plugging in the headset made windows no longer recognize the audio device -_-) I ended up buying the Corsair Vengeance 1500 7.1 USB headset - which are absolutely astonishing! (USB headsets need no sound card obviously, but that set has quality that is on par, if not better to an extent that my Logitech Z5500's! Minus the bass, of course.) Also the application it uses automatically loads itself when the headset is plugged in, and exits when the headset is plugged out. (So no unnecessary app will be running in the background.)
 
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