Bring resizable BAR to Z390/Z370 boards (petition)

[dainluke]

Petition · Intel: Enable resize bar (smart access memory) for Intel 300 series motherboards · Change.org

Many of us on this site own these LGA 1151 boards as the 8600K-9900K are all still excellent gaming CPUs and do not necessarily need to be upgraded right now even though AMD 5000 series CPUs are slightly more performant in gaming. There are talks of Nvidia bringing this feature to Ampere soon and AMD cards are already kicking ass on Z490, B450, X470, B550, and X570 boards that support it. I see no reason why Intel shouldn't pressure board vendors to get this feature supported on chips such as the 9900K. There is literally no reason why we should be starved of such an awesome feature when the cost of upgrading is nowhere near worth it when you're talking about going from a 9900K to a 10700K/10900K/5800X/5900X if all you do is gaming. Being pressured to move platforms for a single feature is kinda unfair I feel, especially when it's been coded into Z490 by ASUS with relative ease (I doubt there were even talks about this before the launch of RX 6000 GPUs).

 

[AinsleyHarriott]

Good idea, first Intel needs to enable RAM above 2933Mhz on non-Z motherboards though...

Good luck!

 

[Oj0]

Looking for 100 votes when there are literally millions of systems out there?

This is about as effective as voting for your uncle to be president.

 

[skaduwee]

Good idea, first Intel needs to enable RAM above 2933Mhz on non-Z motherboards though...

Good luck!

You buy non Z boards?

Scrub

 

[AinsleyHarriott]

You buy non Z boards?

Scrub

No. I buy AM4 boards. I can overclock my 3200G more than a 10900!

 

[skaduwee]

No. I buy AM4 boards. I can overclock my my 3200G more than a 10900!

On your A320 mobo.
Teach me senpai

 

[AinsleyHarriott]

On your A320 mobo.
Teach me senpai

B450...

 

[dainluke]

Looking for 100 votes when there are literally millions of systems out there?

This is about as effective as voting for your uncle to be president.

I’m sure that’s a dynamic target set by the website. Instead of mocking it, I believe we should all try to support it and hopefully have it implemented. I don’t recall seeing too many Z490 tags in site members’ signatures. It would be in so many people's best interests. The petition was started 4 days ago and I believe it is because Z390 owners have begun to realise we may actually be left out. Honestly don’t see why not just support it no matter how futile you think the effort. All it does is make more products relevant and extend their use cases.

 

[dainluke]

I hate to be that guy, but this wasn’t posted in smack talk. That was done for a reason. Actually want this to be seen by gamers who are affected by it, or who want to see something done about this. It sucks when vendors ditch support for perfectly good hardware when there are many users who invested good money into it not too long ago.

 

[dainluke]

Good idea, first Intel needs to enable RAM above 2933Mhz on non-Z motherboards though...

Good luck!

It’s mainly down to the vendor. ASUS supports this feature on all LGA 1200 boards, regardless of tier. They also support it on the cheapest of B450 boards. My friend owns a very budget-oriented board and I noticed it in his BIOS list when I was helping him pick which BIOS to update to.

 

[AinsleyHarriott]

It’s mainly down to the vendor. ASUS supports this feature on all LGA 1200 boards, regardless of tier. They also support it on the cheapest of B450 boards. My friend owns a very budget-oriented board and I noticed it in his BIOS list when I was helping him pick which BIOS to update to.

Interesting. Maybe vendors would enable the tech individually, but I don't see it coming from Intel. Watching thread to follow the story.

 

[dainluke]

Interesting. Maybe vendors would enable the tech individually, but I don't see it coming from Intel. Watching thread to follow the story.

I feel like Intel should get involved. I don’t mean bully them, but AMD work closely with vendors due to AGESA. Having this enabled on Intel boards will only boost their appeal and prevent users from feeling pressured to move to AMD. As much as everyone likes monopolies, it’s good for customers to have options.

 

[JollyJamma]

I feel like Intel should get involved. I don’t mean bully them, but AMD work closely with vendors due to AGESA. Having this enabled on Intel boards will only boost their appeal and prevent users from feeling pressured to move to AMD. As much as everyone likes monopolies, it’s good for customers to have options.

I get where you're coming from, there is one slight issue though.

You're asking Gigabyte, Asus, MSI and a few other brands to stop what they are doing (verifying and testing Z590 +-2 months earlier than planned) and implement costly changes to a chipset that they no longer make money on.

 

[dainluke]

I get where you're coming from, there is one slight issue though.

You're asking Gigabyte, Asus, MSI and a few other brands to stop what they are doing (verifying and testing Z590 +-2 months earlier than planned) and implement costly changes to a chipset that they no longer make money on.

I understand, and for most vendors you’re probably right. But ASUS took the time to support it on Z490. And perhaps with their know-how it is worth doing to serve their customers who spend so much on their overpriced hardware relative to the actual components they use.

 

[JollyJamma]

I understand, and for most vendors you’re probably right. But ASUS took the time to support it on Z490. And perhaps with their know-how it is worth doing to serve their customers who spend so much on their overpriced hardware relative to the actual components they use.

They do still sell Z490 motherboards though so you can see why they would implement it there.

I find Asus overpriced too.

I much prefer MSI as a brand to Asus. MSI does have high end products (Suprim) but their mid range is still great.

 

[Nyt Ryda]

“Intel has been working with NVIDIA to enable Resizable BAR, an advanced PCI-Express technology, across the PC ecosystem,” said Fredrik Hamberger, GM of Premium & Enthusiast Laptop Segments at Intel.

“This feature can give gamers an extra boost in gameplay FPS on Intel’s new 11th generation H/S and select 10th generation systems when paired with supported graphics cards, including NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs.”

Source : GeForce RTX 30 Series Performance To Accelerate With Resizable BAR Support


No more love for 9th gen or Z390 @affxct

 

[Nyt Ryda]

This is interesting, seems like MSI is going to be supporting Resizable BAR on many different boards :

Source : MSI Global


Hopefully this is the push that other manufacturers need, and in the coming months ASUS/Gigabyte/etc will follow their lead with 300 series support for Resizable BAR.

 

[dainluke]

This is interesting, seems like MSI is going to be supporting Resizable BAR on many different boards :

Source : MSI Global


Hopefully this is the push that other manufacturers need, and in the coming months ASUS/Gigabyte/etc will follow their lead with 300 series support for Resizable BAR.

The individual who started the petition linked this as well today. I didn't receive an update for this thread, else I would have replied sooner. I mean I seriously hope they start taking the same course of action at ASUS and other vendors (AORUS/Gigabyte probably won't do anything though).

 

[aiccc]

This is confusing, h370 supported but not z370?

What about re-bar on amd 6800 with intel??

 

[dainluke]

This is confusing, h370 supported but not z370?

What about re-bar on amd 6800 with intel??

I think if I owned a 10900K and a Z490 board, re-size bar would work just fine with my/your GPU.

 

[dainluke]

Gigabyte rolled out a BIOS update for their AORUS boards. My AORUS MASTER currently boxed and sitting on top of my printer next to me has SAM capabilities. This is literally so annoying.

 

[JollyJamma]

Gigabyte rolled out a BIOS update for their AORUS boards. My AORUS MASTER currently boxed and sitting on top of my printer next to me has SAM capabilities. This is literally so annoying.

I'll be honest, I don't like Gigabyte motherboards because of the BIOS (their implementation of dual BIOS is just woeful) but having Extended Bard support would make we swap.

That being said, I don't know if the cost to move sideways to the Aorus Master is worth the 6% gain, unless you don't lose any money.

 

[dainluke]

I'll be honest, I don't like Gigabyte motherboards because of the BIOS (their implementation of dual BIOS is just woeful) but having Extended Bard support would make we swap.

That being said, I don't know if the cost to move sideways to the Aorus Master is worth the 6% gain, unless you don't lose any money.

I think SAM in something like Cold War that I play competitively, will have a significant effect. It tends to show large FPS increases when games are more heavy on the CPU. Regardless of pure %, even a 8% increase in Cold War equates to something 20-30 FPS when we’re talking 250-300 FPS currently. I’m heavily considering just swapping out boards. I see that they also have an update for power delivery, so the OCing may prove to behave more normally as well.