20k 1080p or 26k 1440p Gaming RIG

[JoyKyller]

Hey there fellow carbs, I wanted some advice before I purchase My first Gaming PC.

The first dilemma is whether should i get an AM4 or an AM5 I would to have everything brand new by the way as this is going to be my first gaming rig. Like AMD so no intel for me
The second dilemma is I have a budget of about R25k to R26k to buy said gaming rig, Do you have any advice
The third dilemma is that if I purchase the gaming setup I had designed for 1440p for R26k then I would have to wait about 6 to 8 months before I can get the proper monitor for it or I could buy the 1080p gaming setup in AM4 factor and also get the appropriate monitor probably here on carb at the same time I buy my RIG.

And last question how long will the AM4 RIG last me before I need to upgrade or should I future-proof and wait for the monitor while I game on the 60Hz monitor I have now?

Your advice on the matter is greatly appreciated

AM4 Build:- PC Builder - Wootware

AM5 Build:- PC Builder - Wootware

 

[𝓒𝓸𝓵𝓸𝓷𝓮𝓵.𝓒𝓱𝓲𝓬𝓴𝓮𝓷 𝓸𝓯 𝓒𝓪𝔂𝓭𝓮]

I say the 20k build but change the CPU/Mobo to the 7500F and keep the 4060. AMD GPUs are very lacking on the driver optimization end. AMD CPUs are backed by AMD and the manufacturers and they are frequent with their BIOS updates WHICH MUST BE DONE for stability and performance improvements .

The 4060 will still 1440p most of your games effortlessly high/ultra and whatever it cant handle you do have FSR2/3 and DLSS (an upscaling technology) for.

I have 900 games on Steam. Can safely say NVIDIA hardware is optimized thoroughly.

Maybe change the Ripjaws kit to a 3600mhz kit as AMD does favor memory speed

 

[JoyKyller]

I say the 20k build but change the CPU to the 7500F and keep the 4060. AMD GPUs are very lacking on the driver optimization end. AMD CPUs are backed by AMD and the manufacturers and they are frequent with their BIOS updates WHICH MUST BE DONE for stability and performance improvements .

The 4060 will still 1440p most of your games effortlessly high/ultra and whatever it cant handle you do have FSR2/3 (an upscaling technology) for.

I have 900 games on Steam. Can safely say NVIDIA hardware is optimized thoroughly.

Maybe change the Ripjaws kit to a 3600mhz kit as AMD does favor memory speed

thanks for the advice, is having the stock cooler okay for AMD and I will change the memory speed yeah I have a friend with AMD GPU he has problems from time to time but I still give the benefit of the doubt you know, cause I might not encounter those problems

 

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thanks for the advice, is having the stock cooler okay for AMD and I will change the memory speed yeah I have a friend with AMD GPU he has problems from time to time but I still give the benefit of the doubt you know, cause I might not encounter those problems

Nah you will 100% encounter those problems. It's a known thing that AMD GPUs lack the same optimization NVIDIA does. They (NVIDIA) pour Billions into RND and optimization. AMD caters to a much wider market so obviously their optimization department is lacking .

The battle between NVIDIA and AMD is whether or not you can handle the occasional game crash and FPS drops . But it's not that bad that you should ignore AMD GPUs. They still fast and perform in most titles.

Air cooling is alright INITIALLY. But I wholeheartedly recommend liquid cooling off the bat if your budget facilitates it. Liquid cooling does provide an edge for the CPU to stay at boost clock speed etc. A decent AIO will do just fine

 

[Dr Evil]

Speak to @Oj0 from Progenix and see what he can build for you in that price range.

 

[JoyKyller]

Nah you will 100% encounter those problems. It's a known thing that AMD GPUs lack the same optimization NVIDIA does. They (NVIDIA) pour Billions into RND and optimization. AMD caters to a much wider market so obviously their optimization department is lacking .

The battle between NVIDIA and AMD is whether or not you can handle the occasional game crash and FPS drops . But it's not that bad that you should ignore AMD GPUs. They still fast and perform in most titles.

Air cooling is alright INITIALLY. But I wholeheartedly recommend liquid cooling off the bat if your budget facilitates it. Liquid cooling does provide an edge for the CPU to stay at boost clock speed etc. A decent AIO will do just fine

thanks will take all your points into consideration when the final decision comes to it

 

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Speak to @Oj0 from Progenix and see what he can build for you in that price range.

I second this. The man can build.

 

[JoyKyller]

I second this. The man can build.

okay I will ask for his advice and look forward to his input to the matter, so i should just ask or is there a payment involved for his services

 

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okay I will ask for his advice and look forward to his input to the matter, so i should just ask or is there a payment involved for his services

DM him your budget. See what he can do. If you're happy with his quote let him build it. Always better for the cable management and stuff like BIOS configuration etc.

 

[TheJudge]

I'm more shocked at how much more you get for an extra R5k.

Things I noticed:
Ryzen 5500: around a Ryzen 3600. Lacks the benefits of the 5600 upwards.

RX 6800: performs around the same as an RTX 3070 Ti. 40% faster than a 4060 according to techpowerup.

 

[Oj0]

I haven’t been on Carb today (at all), just saw this and will reply in the morning.

 

[Oj0]

AM4 Option:
Case is fine
Board is fine
CPU at least has an upgrade path
RAM is ok
GPU is fine
I wouldn't touch the PSU - I'd stick to a vendor that has a proven history of making quality PSUs
SSD is ok
Cooler is missing

AM5 Option:
Case is fine
Board is unproven, I'd go for something better. AM5 can be an extremely finicky platform
CPU at least has an upgrade path
RAM is fine
Card is NOT my first choice, but it'll do
I wouldn't touch the PSU - I'd stick to a vendor that has a proven history of making quality PSUs
SSD is ok
Cooler is missing

Given the budget:

Something like this:
Ryzen 5 5500 @ R 1,953
Deepcool Gammaxx AK400 @ R 655
MSI B450M-A MAX @ R 1,299
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SL 2x16GB DDR4-3200 CL16 @ R 1,895
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 WindForce @ R 15,213
or Gigabyte Radeon RX 7900 GRE @ R 14,999
Verbatim Vi3000 2TB @ R 2,060
Asus Prime AP750G PSU @ R 2,536
Antec NX292 RGB Case @ R 761

• CPU isn't as much of a bottleneck at higher resolutions
• The cooler is decent enough
• The board lack features (eg it's PCIe 3.0, but then again so is the CPU) but not to the point of it affecting your gaming performance the way a faster GPU will
• The GPU is far faster than what you were looking at. At 1440p,
  • The 7900 GRE is around 18% faster than the RTX 4070
  • The 7900 GRE is around 33% faster than the RX 6800
  • The 7900 GRE is around 50% faster than the RTX 4060
• The slower SSD won't make a difference 99% of the time, especially when paired with the Ryzen 5500

That gets you a faster GPU and better quality SSD+PSU, with a total of only slightly over your budget (R 26,372 or R 26,158 with the GRE). You now have a setup that won't just do 1440p, but even 4K if you want.

 

[JoyKyller]

AM4 Option:
Case is fine
Board is fine
CPU at least has an upgrade path
RAM is ok
GPU is fine
I wouldn't touch the PSU - I'd stick to a vendor that has a proven history of making quality PSUs
SSD is ok
Cooler is missing

AM5 Option:
Case is fine
Board is unproven, I'd go for something better. AM5 can be an extremely finicky platform
CPU at least has an upgrade path
RAM is fine
Card is NOT my first choice, but it'll do
I wouldn't touch the PSU - I'd stick to a vendor that has a proven history of making quality PSUs
SSD is ok
Cooler is missing

Given the budget:

Something like this:
Ryzen 5 5500 @ R 1,953
Deepcool Gammaxx AK400 @ R 655
MSI B450M-A MAX @ R 1,299
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SL 2x16GB DDR4-3200 CL16 @ R 1,895
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 WindForce @ R 15,213
or Gigabyte Radeon RX 7900 GRE @ R 14,999
Verbatim Vi3000 2TB @ R 2,060
Asus Prime AP750G PSU @ R 2,536
Antec NX292 RGB Case @ R 761

• CPU isn't as much of a bottleneck at higher resolutions
• The cooler is decent enough
• The board lack features (eg it's PCIe 3.0, but then again so is the CPU) but not to the point of it affecting your gaming performance the way a faster GPU will
• The GPU is far faster than what you were looking at. At 1440p,
  • The 7900 GRE is around 18% faster than the RTX 4070
  • The 7900 GRE is around 33% faster than the RX 6800
  • The 7900 GRE is around 50% faster than the RTX 4060
• The slower SSD won't make a difference 99% of the time, especially when paired with the Ryzen 5500

That gets you a faster GPU and better quality SSD+PSU, with a total of only slightly over your budget (R 26,372 or R 26,158 with the GRE). You now have a setup that won't just do 1440p, but even 4K if you want.

Thanks man this is solid build, 👌 and I hadn't put a cooler cause I had left it to the stock cooler. But I see the idea you have there plus with a gpu like that I can still upgrade my other parts and keep the GPU and PSU for the future thanks man, I will see when the money comes in whether I can pull in an extra or 2k or so so I can get similar specs

 

[Switch]

If you have a 4 dimm board on the list, you could consider downgrading the ram to 2 x 8gb kit to free up some cash for a better cpu, and then get another 2x 8gb at a later stage when it is needed.

 

[Oj0]

Thanks man this is solid build, 👌 and I hadn't put a cooler cause I had left it to the stock cooler. But I see the idea you have there plus with a gpu like that I can still upgrade my other parts and keep the GPU and PSU for the future thanks man, I will see when the money comes in whether I can pull in an extra or 2k or so so I can get similar specs

Newer processors work by targeting a certain temperature. The base speed is all you're guaranteed (anything lower and you're throttling), while the boost speed is based on a variety of factors including temperature.

If the target temperature is hit before the maximum boost speed, it'll stop boosting and you might top out at eg 3.925 GHz instead of 4.200 GHz.

The stock cooler is adequate for maintaining base speed, but you're standing to lose up to 20% of your performance as temperatures rise over time.

If you have a 4 dimm board on the list, you could consider downgrading the ram to 2 x 8gb kit to free up some cash for a better cpu, and then get another 2x 8gb at a later stage when it is needed.

I'm not a fan of four DIMMs on AMD, it's too hit and miss. It's much harder on the IMC (to the point that on AM5, AMD only rates DDR5-3600 as the maximum speed with four DIMMs).

On AM5 I've had four DDR5-7200 DIMMs top out below DDR5-5000 with the lowest being DDR5-3800. Average has been somewhere around DDR5-5200 give or take, and the absolute max has been DDR5-6600.

On AM4 things were a bit smoother, but still luck of the draw. Four DIMMs are only rated to DDR4-2667 or DDR4-2933 as the maximum speed depending on whether they're single or dual rank. I've had a few stuck below DDR4-2400 with a combo of unlucky CPU and RAM not on the QVL.

I don't know his username here on Carb, but there's a mate of mine that can't get stability at DDR4-2133 with four DIMMs and is running DDR4-1866. Two DIMMs, no problem getting up to DDR4-3200++, but four DIMMs = sad panda.

 

[TheJudge]

Newer processors work by targeting a certain temperature. The base speed is all you're guaranteed (anything lower and you're throttling), while the boost speed is based on a variety of factors including temperature.

If the target temperature is hit before the maximum boost speed, it'll stop boosting and you might top out at eg 3.925 GHz instead of 4.200 GHz.

The stock cooler is adequate for maintaining base speed, but you're standing to lose up to 20% of your performance as temperatures rise over time.


I'm not a fan of four DIMMs on AMD, it's too hit and miss. It's much harder on the IMC (to the point that on AM5, AMD only rates DDR5-3600 as the maximum speed with four DIMMs).

On AM5 I've had four DDR5-7200 DIMMs top out below DDR5-5000 with the lowest being DDR5-3800. Average has been somewhere around DDR5-5200 give or take, and the absolute max has been DDR5-6600.

On AM4 things were a bit smoother, but still luck of the draw. Four DIMMs are only rated to DDR4-2667 or DDR4-2933 as the maximum speed depending on whether they're single or dual rank. I've had a few stuck below DDR4-2400 with a combo of unlucky CPU and RAM not on the QVL.

I don't know his username here on Carb, but there's a mate of mine that can't get stability at DDR4-2133 with four DIMMs and is running DDR4-1866. Two DIMMs, no problem getting up to DDR4-3200++, but four DIMMs = sad panda.

Shit, I'm happy my 4x8GB DDR4 3200 are running at full speed seeing this. Early Ryzen was a shitshow with RAM unless matched to their list.

 

[Oj0]

Shit, I'm happy my 4x8GB DDR4 3200 are running at full speed seeing this. Early Ryzen was a shitshow with RAM unless matched to their list.

Yes, it's luck of the draw. My wife is also running 4 DIMMs at 3200, but there's no guarantee it will work for everyone.

Early Ryzen was beyond a shitshow. If RAM wasn't on the QVL you were basically guaranteed that even at 1866 either it won't POST, or it would be hellishly unstable.

 

[WMeyer]

AMD GPUs are very lacking on the driver optimization end.

Pretty biased on that one, both Nvidia and AMD have driver issues.