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ASIC Mining?

When it comes to mining, FPGAs are only good for power consumpution. They have output equal or often lower than graphics cards, and cost a hefty sum of money.
 
I am interested in mining some bitcoins. Can anyone tell me what kind of internet bandwidth I could expect to be using?
 
First link is just a box, second link is a 5 GHash/s unit, not the 25 and 50 they promised. I.e the product does not yet exist.

I just tried to find a name by looking at the BFL Wiki page, there isn't one but look here:

BFL can stand for:
Bayesian Filtering Library
Big Fat Liar, 2002 comedy film starring Frankie Muniz from TV's Malcolm in the Middle, Nickelodeon's Amanda Bynes, and Paul Giamatti
Bluefaced Leicester
Body for Life, a fitness program created by Bill Phillips
Bat for Lashes, the stage name of English musician Natasha Khan.
Butterfly labs, a huge Bitcoin ASICs scam.

ROFL!

Now onto the juicy bits:

TypeFirst NameMiddleLast NameTitleOrganizationAddress
President / DirectorCHRISVLEISIDES2507 JEFFERSON KANSAS CITY, MO 64108
President / DirectorNasserGhoseiri2507 JEFFERSON KANSAS CITY, MO 64108

Source

See that name, Chris Vleisides? Well check this out:

Sonny Chris Vleisides, 39, previously of Kansas City, MO was arrested in 2007 and held two years in Italy before he was extradited to the United States. Vleisides was sentenced to 14 months in prison followed by three years supervised release after pleading to one count of mail fraud.

Source

What did he do? Have a look here:

A joint investigation involving the IRS-CID and the United States Postal Inspection Service (USPIS), revealed that from at least 1990 through July 2006, SONNY VLEISIDES, James Ray Houston, Dennis Emmett, William Cloud, Henry Walther, Scott Henry Walther, and others committed a massive international lottery scam using the following company names: Shamrock Agency, German Swiss Group, World Expert Fund, Mutual Medical Insurance Co, Old Amsterdam Trust Co, Euro American Fax Co, European Union Commission, EU American Payment Co, Global Search Network, North American Foreign Payments Services, Wor'dwide Verification Service, and others. VLEISIDES ran the scheme along with Houston and Emmett. VLEISIDES, Houston and Emmett, who were all located in Costa Rica, worked with mailing houses which, at the direction of VLEISIDES, Houston, and Emmett, sent out tens of thousands of mailings to victims in the United States, many of whom were elderly. The mailings contained false statements, half truths, and omissions, and induced the victims to participate in various international lotteries, falsely stating that if the victims participated, they were guaranteed to win or had a very good chance to win. The mailings directed the victims to send their money to Ireland, at d the Netherlands, among other locations, where William Cloud had set up addresses with commercial mail receiving agencies and individuals to forward the money, eventually, back to the United States. After receipt at the commercial mail receiving agencies, the victims' money was sent to Henry Walther, who, along with his son Scott Henry Walther, deposited the money into various bank accounts and then distributed it as directed by VLEISIDES, Houston, and Emmett. Some of the money was spent on furthering the criminal activity. Some of the money was paid out to victims in small-dollar checks that the co-schemers misrepresented to be lottery winnings. The rest of the money was paid out to the co-schemers and others for their own use. VLEISIDES and the other defendants did not buy any lottery tickets, and the vast majority of the victims lost the money they sent. The total loss from the scheme is in excess of $19 million.

An analysis was done on approximately twenty of the bank accounts established in the United States at the direction of VLEISIDES and his co-schemers. The analysis revealed, in summary, that the victims' money was first deposited into accounts established by the co-schemers at numerous banks in accounts with names that sound like official lotteries: SHAMROCK AGENCY, WORLD EXPERT, OLD AMSTERDAM, GERMAN SWISS, and EUC. (Hereinafter, accounts at this first layer will be referred to as "Deposit Accounts.") The co-schemers obtained over $19 million from tens of thousands of victims and deposited them into these accounts. After the co-schemers deposited the victims' money into the Deposit Accounts, they transferred the money to the next layer of accounts, hereinafter referred to as "Payment Accounts." These accounts were in names that included NORTH AMERICAN PAYMENT and EU PAYMENT SERVICE. From the Payment Accounts, the co-schemers wrote checks represented as winnings and sent them back to the victims. The amount of the alleged "winnings" was far less than the amount the victims sent in - for the over $19 million going into the accounts from victims, only approximately 20% was sent back to victims in the form of "winning" checks. The co-schemers transferred some of the money from the Deposit Accounts and Payment Accounts to the next layer of accounts, which will hereinafter be referred to as "Syphon Accounts." The co-schemers wrote checks (or used wire transfers) from the Lottery Accounts and the Payment Accounts to the Syphon Accounts, which were in names that included WESTERN INTERNET, BUTTERFIELD, CARNEGIE and HENRY WALTHER ATTORNEY WIRE ACCOUNT. Money from the Syphon Accounts was used to continue the scheme by paying scheme expenses, as well as to provide benefits to the co-schemers. The co-schemers also took money at each layer in the form of checks to cash, checks to themselves, or checks to the payment of personal or scheme expenses.

Extraction of affidavit for extradition warrant, available here.

How do we know they're one and the same? Here we go:

Sonny Vleisides is associated with BFL and it's the same Sonny listed in the case documents. He was involved in off shore gaming in the capacity of selling and providing software engineering to companies that did the actual offshore gaming (there is even a US patent application for the process). The industry came under attack (as we all remember) around that time, and Mr. Vleisides was caught up in the process as well as a good portion of the industry based in Costa Rica.

Although this may be cause for concern to some, the fact is that we're a robust company with 22 employees. One of them has a colorful background in offshore libertarianism. If I thought there was even the possibility of something unsavory going on within BFL, you can rest assured I would a) not be part of it and b) would let everyone know it.

The reality is, we are legitimate, we have released revolutionary products and we are going to release more revolutionary products. I was made aware of this back story prior to my employment and I evaluated it and concluded that it was immaterial to the business at hand and thus joined BFL. There was nothing hidden from me and Sonny has always answered questions and been completely open about his past, but I think we can all agree that it's not something you just announce to the world.

This post was by an employee, Chief Operating Officer Josh from the above video, of Butterfly Labs. While he has kind words about his employer he has also confirmed that his employer is the convicted mail fraudster. I guess that reflects rather poorly on him, too - although he's the one who confessed to taking ORDERS (not pre-orders) for a product which still did not exist almost a year later. Source.

Sonny/Chris Vleisides was also given probation. Take special note of his probation terms, specifically point 3:

The defendant is hereby placed on supervised release, effective immediately, for a term of three years under the following terms and conditions:
...
3. The defendant shall not engage, as whole or partial owner, employee or otherwise, in any business involving loan programs, gambling or gaming activities, telemarketing activities, investment programs or any other business involving the solicitation of funds or cold-calls to customers without the express approval of the Probation Officer prior to engagement in such employment. Further, the defendant shall provide the Probation Officer with access to any and all business records, client lists and other records pertaining to the operation of any business owned, in whole or in part, by the defendant, as directed by the Probation Officer; and

A copy of his entire probation documentation can be found here. His probation orders are dated 15 September 2010, meaning it ends 15 September 2013. By fund-raising (i.e. charging for a product which is not yet ready for sale) he is in violation of his probation orders.

So there we go, worst case scenario is we have a company running scheme (not quite pyramid or ponzi) headed by a convicted felon in violation of his probation without a functional product. If he has been granted permission for solicitation of funds by his probation officer, we have a best case scenario of a company running a scheme (not quite pyramid or ponzi) headed by a convicted felon without a functional product.

My opinion of what's happening is as follows:

Develop FPGA mining hardware
Advertise madly, possibly going into debt to get the word out there
Sell as many units as possible, deliver on promises to build reputation (failed a bit here, deliveries were beyond slow)
Start pimping upcoming ASICs
Use pre-order money to pay for advertising (it's hard finding a BTC forum which doesn't have BFL advertising) to reach greater audience
Continue delaying and promising that even BETTER hardware is coming later, take pre-orders for "upcoming" hardware
Wait a few months until you have tens of thousands of orders paid up front valued at tens of millions of dollars - possibly more
Run

So far, all of the above steps have been ticked up to and including the penultimate step in what could be one of the bigger scams of the decade.

Even IF they do deliver, would you be willing to risk your money based on the histories of those involved as well as of the company itself?

I just have to quote myself to say I called it - BFL has been closed by the FTC. Over 500 complaints were made with the FTC, the message on their website reads as follows:

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We had a group buy awhile back for the KnC titan we received it 2 weeks ago after a bit of fiddling the ASIC is producing around 300MHs speed (Advertised spec)
KnC is legit.

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We had a group buy awhile back for the KnC titan we received it 2 weeks ago after a bit of fiddling the ASIC is producing around 300MHs speed (Advertised spec)
KnC is legit.

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Have you not had any dies fail on you? It seems to be quite a common fault with the Titans shipped out.
 
The point of creating the cards is to make money. BFL has, er, "sold" over 50,000 units. Look at the price, do the math - the cheapest one was $649. Even if they didn't sell a single 60 GHash/ 1,500 GHash/s unit, $649 * 50,000 = $32,450,000.

More than ten people "might" have them, see above.

How is the creator profiting? Again, see above. Another thing is the network is suddenly sitting on 90 THash/s, a MASSIVE increase over the last year. I don't see it possible that THAT many new people have joined or tripled their hardware, I have a theory (conspiracy theory?) which goes as follows: Maybe these units DO exist. Maybe they've already got hundreds, if not thousands, running already. They might be sitting on a huge number of ASICs which they're using to mine for themselves. Once the market crashes they start shipping them off, having made not only money from the sales but also huge sums of money from mining at the expense of others. The buyers get their units once they're worthless. Just a thought, although it's certainly a possibility.

Yes, the difficulty gets automatically adjusted to make sure that the same number of coins get mined over the same period of time regardless of the amount of power available on the network. The amount of power an individual has on the network in relation to the total power available on the network determines the percentage of coins mined that will be awarded to you.

Lastly, it's not worth it.

Well not only did I predict/call them out on their scam but I also predicted that they were mining on the hardware that was meant to have been shipped. I'm a fucking oracle I tell you.
 
Well not only did I predict/call them out on their scam but I also predicted that they were mining on the hardware that was meant to have been shipped. I'm a fucking oracle I tell you.

If only you predicted the $1000 bitcoin price all those years ago when you had thousands of them ;)
 
I dont understand any of this mining stuff but hory shit thats alooot
Anyone care to enlighten a Super Afrikaans oke ?
 
Rough dude... normally when you fuck up in life you can take it on the chin and move on. It's not too late* to get in now!





















*Just dropping that there so when it's like $100,000+/btc I can bump this.
 
Rough dude... normally when you fuck up in life you can take it on the chin and move on. It's not too late* to get in now!





















*Just dropping that there so when it's like $100,000+/btc I can bump this.
I hope the rest of your day is as unpleasant as you are.
 

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