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Yet the supra out brakes the yaris

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I really dont mind the Yaris GR - wanted one infact - until I saw the price of them in SA....
To a degree - they can ask for that type of money as they are limited edition - but what I REALLY couldnt quantify - and what I couldnt justify - was the quality of the interior for a nearly R700 000 car.

Its awful.

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I honestly looked at that and I couldnt justify it.

The shitty - stock yaris speedo, the basically CRT infotainment, the awful HVAC. Then the rest of it is literally... "Just a yaris"

Now I am just going to get a barrage of "ITS A RALLY CAR BRO, DESIGNED FOR RALLYING BRO"

Sure .... but its also a R700K car that I may drive daily - and sorry that I might want a few more creature comforts for my 700K.

Honestly - imo - it should be 450 - 500K.... near the top end.
 
Deago999 said:
Now I am just going to get a barrage of "ITS A RALLY CAR BRO, DESIGNED FOR RALLYING BRO"


Honestly - imo - it should be 450 - 500K.... near the top end.
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Anybody barraging you with that rationale would be nuts. Unless their daily commute is the El Condor.

And yes - it's still just a little Yaris. I guess there has to be a market for it targeted at a very very specific demographic. More money than brains demographic perhaps I'm thinking.
 
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How come nobody has mentioned the GR86 yet? Won't that land at fewer randelas than the GR Yaris?
 
Deago999 said:
Honestly - imo - it should be 450 - 500K.... near the top end.
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A Polo GTi with the comfort pack comes in at 550k.

So 700k for a way more exclusive Toyota that's bound to become a collectors item, i don't think the pricing is that off.

Either way i think pricing for any small hot hatch is ludicrous!
 
Oops!!! said:
A Polo GTi with the comfort pack comes in at 550k.

So 700k for a way more exclusive Toyota that's bound to become a collectors item, i don't think the pricing is that off.

Either way i think pricing for any small hot hatch is ludicrous!
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I think it is to be honest. Because its R700K for the higher end rally pack with no extras.

I would rather have a polo GTI with the comfort pack and R150K spare change to be honest with you.

A brand new Golf GTI (Golf 8) - is R669K - still cheaper than a yaris.

I recall from memory the Golf R 7.5 was selling at about R700k... all of these I would rather have.

Because I wont be reallying in my Yaris GR - I know thats a surprise..... luckily my commute is riddled with paved roads - so I might want something that might make my commute a little more comfortable.

The Current Supra starts at a R1 Mil - and remember there is a brand new Toyota 86 (GR 86 is the top end) that would need to fit in too - and judging by the reviews so far - its been phenominally well received - and if its cheaper than the GR - how could you justify the price of the GR?


I get that money has been spent on this rally version of a yaris - I understand that money has gone into the engine, and suspension, and differential and and and - trust me I get it. I also understand that there is a limited quantity of them... cool I get that too.

But if your only sales plan was to sell them to collectors then why advertise it on the open market like any other production car and not just have a sign up list - there WILL be people buying this as their daily commute - heck - I wanted to buy it as my daily commute (before the price was announced.) - but in the end for the same or less money - I can get a car that may not be quite balls to teh wall performance - but would be hands down more commute friendly and be a better daily than a Yaris GR - that I would somehow have to justify R700K on.

"OH but it has rally pedigree - it was designed by the same team that does Dakar" - cool man - thats great - tell me when you will be going dune racing?

R700K is too much for what else is on the market. If it was R700K with absolutely every optional extra offered added in - COOL - I get that.... but if the base model of the higher spec topped out at R500K with no extras - cheaper than a Polo GTI comfort package - cheaper than the up coming GR 86, cheaper than a golf GTI, then accepting the shitty compromises of the rest of the car would be fine - understandable even.

Extactly the same as the olg GT 86 - the old GT86 has a really cheap interior - it was one of the most hated things about it (after the torque dip.) - but it was accepted because it was a sports car that was over engineered for less than $30K USD - think in 2015 they were R300K brand new with the High end and some extras - but you bought into it going - well 300k its cheap for what the car is - so if I take a hit on the interior Im getting something else in exchange like independent double wishbone suspension - but its not crazy unreasonable money.

On the Yaris GR, its not cheap, suffers the same comrpomise but has little to make up for it other than its quick.
 
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Deago999 said:
I think it is to be honest. Because its R700K for the higher end rally pack with no extras.

I would rather have a polo GTI with the comfort pack and R150K spare change to be honest with you.

A brand new Golf GTI (Golf 8) - is R669K - still cheaper than a yaris.

I recall from memory the Golf R 7.5 was selling at about R700k... all of these I would rather have.

Because I wont be reallying in my Yaris GR - I know thats a surprise..... luckily my commute is riddled with paved roads - so I might want something that might make my commute a little more comfortable.

The Current Supra starts at a R1 Mil - and remember there is a brand new Toyota 86 (GR 86 is the top end) that would need to fit in too - and judging by the reviews so far - its been phenominally well received - and if its cheaper than the GR - how could you justify the price of the GR?


I get that money has been spent on this rally version of a yaris - I understand that money has gone into the engine, and suspension, and differential and and and - trust me I get it. I also understand that there is a limited quantity of them... cool I get that too.

But if your only sales plan was to sell them to collectors then why advertise it on the open market like any other production car and not just have a sign up list - there WILL be people buying this as their daily commute - heck - I wanted to buy it as my daily commute (before the price was announced.) - but in the end for the same or less money - I can get a car that may not be quite balls to teh wall performance - but would be hands down more commute friendly and be a better daily than a Yaris GR - that I would somehow have to justify R700K on.

"OH but it has rally pedigree - it was designed by the same team that does Dakar" - cool man - thats great - tell me when you will be going dune racing?

R700K is too much for what else is on the market. If it was R700K with absolutely every optional extra offered added in - COOL - I get that.... but if the base model of the higher spec topped out at R500K with no extras - cheaper than a Polo GTI comfort package - cheaper than the up coming GR 86, cheaper than a golf GTI, then accepting the shitty compromises of the rest of the car would be fine - understandable even.

Extactly the same as the olg GT 86 - the old GT86 has a really cheap interior - it was one of the most hated things about it (after the torque dip.) - but it was accepted because it was a sports car that was over engineered for less than $30K USD - think in 2015 they were R300K brand new with the High end and some extras - but you bought into it going - well 300k its cheap for what the car is - so if I take a hit on the interior Im getting something else in exchange like independent double wishbone suspension - but its not crazy unreasonable money.

On the Yaris GR, its not cheap, suffers the same comrpomise but has little to make up for it other than its quick.
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This is an unfortunate post. It shows just how little you know about the GR Yaris.

You don't seem to know that the GR Yaris Rally has no optional extras because all the nice toys are included as standard. It has a heads-up display. It has autonomous radar-guided cruise control (acceleration and braking). It has semi-autonomous steering (it actually steers itself around corners). It has Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. It has auto high-beam headlights and auto wipers. All of that - and more - is in addition to a 200kW, three cylinder, turbocharged 1.6 (the most powerful three cylinder motor in the world), a four-wheel-drive system and two mechanical limited-slip differentials.

You also don't seem to know that all 190 units of SA's initial allocation were sold out well before they even arrived in South Africa. So, yes, there was, effectively, a sign-up list. I ordered mine in October 2020. I paid the deposit in February 2021. I received the car in July 2021.

You are wrong when you say the Yaris is not as well-suited to the daily grind as other cars. I know this because I daily mine. The boot, although small, swallows my daily kit (gym bag, laptop bag, lunch cool bag, etc) with ease. I don't have kids so the three-door body is not an issue. The phone connectivity works well and as I've said above, it can almost drive itself. The ride is not excessively hard and the noise is not intrusive at highway speeds.

You have also confused the different purposes of the GR Supra, the GR 86 and the GR Yaris. Neither of the first two are four-wheel-drive rally homologation specials. Neither of the first two are limited in production quantities. The 86 certainly isn't on even slightly the same level as the Supra and the Yaris. The 86 has always been an entry-level rear-wheel-drive sports car. The 86 will be cheaper than the Yaris because it doesn't have even nearly the same power, pedigree or ability. The Supra, meanwhile, is a great GT car. It's got oodles more power than the Yaris but it isn't nearly as fun to drive.

You don't seem to realise that Toyota Gazoo Racing does road-going cars, too, like, say, the GR Supra and the GR 86. Does a Ferrari have to be used on track days to justify its purchase? Does a Discovery have to be used off-road for its purchase to make sense? This is a poor argument.

You don't seem to know that the Yaris has been awarded Car of the Year titles by motoring magazines and websites the world over. If it is so compromised, as you say, why has it won so many awards?

Finally, you're actually comparing a Polo GTI, an ordinary, front-wheel-drive, semi-powerful hatch that's about as rare as a corrupt ANC politician, with the GR Yaris, which is anything but ordinary. This is perhaps the most dismal aspect of your post.
 
SteveIndeed said:
This is an unfortunate post. It shows just how little you know about the GR Yaris.

You don't seem to know that the GR Yaris Rally has no optional extras because all the nice toys are included as standard. It has a heads-up display. It has autonomous radar-guided cruise control (acceleration and braking). It has semi-autonomous steering (it actually steers itself around corners). It has Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. It has auto high-beam headlights and auto wipers. All of that - and more - is in addition to a 200kW, three cylinder, turbocharged 1.6 (the most powerful three cylinder motor in the world), a four-wheel-drive system and two mechanical limited-slip differentials.

You also don't seem to know that all 190 units of SA's initial allocation were sold out well before they even arrived in South Africa. So, yes, there was, effectively, a sign-up list. I ordered mine in October 2020. I paid the deposit in February 2021. I received the car in July 2021.

You are wrong when you say the Yaris is not as well-suited to the daily grind as other cars. I know this because I daily mine. The boot, although small, swallows my daily kit (gym bag, laptop bag, lunch cool bag, etc) with ease. I don't have kids so the three-door body is not an issue. The phone connectivity works well and as I've said above, it can almost drive itself. The ride is not excessively hard and the noise is not intrusive at highway speeds.

You have also confused the different purposes of the GR Supra, the GR 86 and the GR Yaris. Neither of the first two are four-wheel-drive rally homologation specials. Neither of the first two are limited in production quantities. The 86 certainly isn't on even slightly the same level as the Supra and the Yaris. The 86 has always been an entry-level rear-wheel-drive sports car. The 86 will be cheaper than the Yaris because it doesn't have even nearly the same power, pedigree or ability. The Supra, meanwhile, is a great GT car. It's got oodles more power than the Yaris but it isn't nearly as fun to drive.

You don't seem to know that the Yaris has been awarded Car of the Year titles by motoring magazines and websites the world over. If it is so compromised, as you say, why has it won so many awards?

Finally, you're actually comparing a Polo GTI, an ordinary, front-wheel-drive, semi-powerful hatch that's about as rare as a corrupt ANC politician, with the GR Yaris, which is anything but ordinary. This is perhaps the most dismal aspect of your post.
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It's just a car man. And just a Yaris to boot. Way too much emotion invested in just a car, with pointless 'features' that certainly doesn't aid you on your drive to and fro work. One would swear you're about to hit the rally circuits with that laundry list of pointless features on a...little Yaris :D

Chill out and enjoy the ride.
 
SteveIndeed said:
This is an unfortunate post. It shows just how little you know about the GR Yaris.

You don't seem to know that the GR Yaris Rally has no optional extras because all the nice toys are included as standard. It has a heads-up display. It has autonomous radar-guided cruise control (acceleration and braking). It has semi-autonomous steering (it actually steers itself around corners). It has Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. It has auto high-beam headlights and auto wipers. All of that - and more - is in addition to a 200kW, three cylinder, turbocharged 1.6 (the most powerful three cylinder motor in the world), a four-wheel-drive system and two mechanical limited-slip differentials.

You also don't seem to know that all 190 units of SA's initial allocation were sold out well before they even arrived in South Africa. So, yes, there was, effectively, a sign-up list. I ordered mine in October 2020. I paid the deposit in February 2021. I received the car in July 2021.

You are wrong when you say the Yaris is not as well-suited to the daily grind as other cars. I know this because I daily mine. The boot, although small, swallows my daily kit (gym bag, laptop bag, lunch cool bag, etc) with ease. I don't have kids so the three-door body is not an issue. The phone connectivity works well and as I've said above, it can almost drive itself. The ride is not excessively hard and the noise is not intrusive at highway speeds.

You have also confused the different purposes of the GR Supra, the GR 86 and the GR Yaris. Neither of the first two are four-wheel-drive rally homologation specials. Neither of the first two are limited in production quantities. The 86 certainly isn't on even slightly the same level as the Supra and the Yaris. The 86 has always been an entry-level rear-wheel-drive sports car. The 86 will be cheaper than the Yaris because it doesn't have even nearly the same power, pedigree or ability. The Supra, meanwhile, is a great GT car. It's got oodles more power than the Yaris but it isn't nearly as fun to drive.

You don't seem to realise that Toyota Gazoo Racing does road-going cars, too, like, say, the GR Supra and the GR 86. Does a Ferrari have to be used on track days to justify its purchase? Does a Discovery have to be used off-road for its purchase to make sense? This is a poor argument.

You don't seem to know that the Yaris has been awarded Car of the Year titles by motoring magazines and websites the world over. If it is so compromised, as you say, why has it won so many awards?

Finally, you're actually comparing a Polo GTI, an ordinary, front-wheel-drive, semi-powerful hatch that's about as rare as a corrupt ANC politician, with the GR Yaris, which is anything but ordinary. This is perhaps the most dismal aspect of your post.
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Qui_Illustrati said:
It's just a car man. And just a Yaris to boot. Way too much emotion invested in just a car, with pointless 'features' that certainly doesn't aid you on your drive to and fro work. One would swear you're about to hit the rally circuits with that laundry list of pointless features on a...little Yaris :D

Chill out and enjoy the ride.
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What do you drive everyday? What are you thinking of buying as your next car?
 
If I would ever be in the fortunate position to have the money for it, I would love to have a Mercedes Benz GLC 220d AMG 2016 model
or 2013 C63 AMG
 
SteveIndeed said:
This is an unfortunate post. It shows just how little you know about the GR Yaris.

You don't seem to know that the GR Yaris Rally has no optional extras because all the nice toys are included as standard. It has a heads-up display. It has autonomous radar-guided cruise control (acceleration and braking). It has semi-autonomous steering (it actually steers itself around corners). It has Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. It has auto high-beam headlights and auto wipers. All of that - and more - is in addition to a 200kW, three cylinder, turbocharged 1.6 (the most powerful three cylinder motor in the world), a four-wheel-drive system and two mechanical limited-slip differentials.

You also don't seem to know that all 190 units of SA's initial allocation were sold out well before they even arrived in South Africa. So, yes, there was, effectively, a sign-up list. I ordered mine in October 2020. I paid the deposit in February 2021. I received the car in July 2021.

You are wrong when you say the Yaris is not as well-suited to the daily grind as other cars. I know this because I daily mine. The boot, although small, swallows my daily kit (gym bag, laptop bag, lunch cool bag, etc) with ease. I don't have kids so the three-door body is not an issue. The phone connectivity works well and as I've said above, it can almost drive itself. The ride is not excessively hard and the noise is not intrusive at highway speeds.

You have also confused the different purposes of the GR Supra, the GR 86 and the GR Yaris. Neither of the first two are four-wheel-drive rally homologation specials. Neither of the first two are limited in production quantities. The 86 certainly isn't on even slightly the same level as the Supra and the Yaris. The 86 has always been an entry-level rear-wheel-drive sports car. The 86 will be cheaper than the Yaris because it doesn't have even nearly the same power, pedigree or ability. The Supra, meanwhile, is a great GT car. It's got oodles more power than the Yaris but it isn't nearly as fun to drive.

You don't seem to realise that Toyota Gazoo Racing does road-going cars, too, like, say, the GR Supra and the GR 86. Does a Ferrari have to be used on track days to justify its purchase? Does a Discovery have to be used off-road for its purchase to make sense? This is a poor argument.

You don't seem to know that the Yaris has been awarded Car of the Year titles by motoring magazines and websites the world over. If it is so compromised, as you say, why has it won so many awards?

Finally, you're actually comparing a Polo GTI, an ordinary, front-wheel-drive, semi-powerful hatch that's about as rare as a corrupt ANC politician, with the GR Yaris, which is anything but ordinary. This is perhaps the most dismal aspect of your post.
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This post can be summarised to:
"Tell me you own a GR Yaris without telling me you own a GR yaris"

Impressive stuff.

The cheap cologne of attempted itellectual post is strong on this one - bear with me a few min while a take a few steps away to inhale the untainted air.

OK now that I am in the zone of fresh air.

You dont need to justify your purchase to me - or write down the things you told yourself to convince yourself to get the car. Power to you - you could afford it - good for you.

It does have optional extras - like extended warranties, extended service plans, you only get those all included "extras" if you are paying R720K for one - but again - excluding optional extras like extended warranties. Otherwise things like the HUD and high speed cruise control are optional on the non rally version.

Being sold out is not an exclusive sign up list - just because they sold out doesnt make it a sign up list - I can request a brand new Audi RS3 tomorrow from the factory and they will also put my name on a list while its being built and imported?

Also - nowhere did I say that its not well suited for daily driving??? I just said I would want the interior to be better because it would be my daily driver? Because defend it all you want - your rally homoligation did a shit job of the interior.

Thanks for talking for me on the subject - but Im not confused about the purpose of the Supra or the GR86 or the Yaris GR. I didnt infact compare the Polo GTI to the Yaris GR - I just said that I would rather have a Polo gti - and R150K spare change - and infact I actually acknowledged that some of the alternatives werent quite as fast as the Yaris GR - infact the wording I used I believe was:

"I can get a car that may not be quite balls to teh wall performance"

I think you have missed the whole point of my post - I mentioned the polo GTI, I mentioned the Golf GTI / Golf R, I mentioned the Supra and I mentioned the GR86 all as examples of cars similar in price to the Yaris GR - that would get you similar fun..... for same or less money (with the exception of the supra - I only mentioned the supra as you are only R180k off of buying a supra vs the top end Yaris GR.)

Im well aware that a GTI is common as pig shit, and its not as fast ..... but I can sleep comoftably knowing that I have R150K more in the bank that I didnt need to spend to get a similar dopamine hit.

Qui_Illustrati said:
Anybody barraging you with that rationale would be nuts. Unless their daily commute is the El Condor.
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SteveIndeed said:
Neither of the first two are four-wheel-drive rally homologation specials.
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You see @Qui_Illustrati

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You know what else was awarded car of the year? The polo 6r.... in 2010....
Winning the award is such a moot point.

Infact here are all of them in SA:
Budget Category: Toyota Starlet
Compact Category: Hyundai Venue
Compact Family Category: Peugeot 2008 SUV
Family Category: Audi A4
Premium Category: BMW 4 Series
Adventure Category: Toyota Land Cruiser Prado
Double Cab Category: Toyota Hilux Double Cab
Performance Category: Porsche 911 Turbo S
New Energy Category: Porsche Taycan
Motor Enthusiast's Choice: Mercedes-Benz E-Class
Jurors Excellence Award: Peugeot 2008 SUV

Now if you are talking about car of the year in Europe:

www.news24.com

And the European Car of the Year is... | Life

59 motoring journalists from across Europe chose the fourth generation Toyota Yaris as its Car of the Year.
www.news24.com www.news24.com

It was actually the plain old bog standard Yaris - but I am glad you group the bog standard Yaris and the Yaris GR together - because this just further justifies that when you render it down - it is R700k for a sporty Yaris.

Im glad you rally homoligation developed car is doing well carrying around your gym bag - I truly am - but thats my whole problem with the vehicle... R700K ... for a yaris ... that is bat shit fast.... that you will never use for rallying... that has the interior of a bog standard yaris is too much - what I am saying is if they were going to release it as it stands now - 700K for what you get on the inside is too much.

But its cool I get why you bought the car - and in fact Im not angry you did, and Im not angry that people have bought it - infact Im not even angry - I just dont agree with the price.... but whatever you told yoruself to justify your purchase... good for you.
 
SteveIndeed said:
What do you drive everyday? What are you thinking of buying as your next car?
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Don't have a car anymore. Way too much emotion was invested in it and chanelling the finite emotion one has in to better avenues seemed a wiser thing to do.

Next car will be a real sportscar and not a kitten in a cat costume though. A 400Z.

You could've got a real Japanese sportscar too with that money spent on the car of the year.
Not judging. More just taking the piss. I think once you grow, better decisions come with that growth.
 
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aiccc said:

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People (person A) gets so upset when Person B spends Person B money on a car that Person A would never buy


Thats like Person A getting angry that someone maaried Angelina Jolie because Person A loves Jennifer Aniston.

Cum on

@Deago999 I is kidding bud.
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For real though, people do tend to get upset when others discredit something they have spent energy or money on. It's like a defensive thing, even if it wasn't directed at the person's decision.

There is a difference between "this isn't a great decision for me or for the general public" vs. "you did a dumb thing and should be ashamed for making that decision." But when it's text people struggle to draw nuanced distinctions.
 
But the posts are not a 'collectors edition' legendary post/comment
 
The problem is that no one seems to have had an

"all we''ll drive" gurl


They have no clue how much fun they really are. <rent not own thou>
 
aiccc said:
Or he could have bought what he wanted.... Perish the thought
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Couldn't give a fark about the guy or the car. Like I said, was taking the piss. Mostly prompted by how much the guy glorifies the car and the purchase. As if we all should too.
He bought what he wanted. Good for him. Justifying his purchase to the world and to himself by getting all emotional over a car, any car, seems like such a pointless thing to do. Grow weary of people bragging about cars. So infantile. Likely just me though.
 
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