What would you buy Samsung S27A950D or Dell U2711?

[must4rdgas]

Save cash.

Samsung LA32D550 LCD TV. +-R3,500.

S-PVA panel. Better than IPS.

 

[Scooby6]

Haha, you didn't even have to go to the previous page, just a few posts up...

Tsk tsk fish

Lol!

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[Oj0]

Save cash.

Samsung LA32D550 LCD TV. +-R3,500.

S-PVA panel. Better than IPS.

Input latency: TN > IPS, PVA, MVA, etc
Refresh rate: TN > IPS, PVA, MVA, etc
Image quality: IPS > MVA/PVA > TN
Viewing angle: PVA/MVA > IPS > TN
Contrast ratio: PVA/MVA > IPS > TN

Then there are a few other technologies as well which are in some way better than IPS, such as AFFS which offers almost 180' viewing angles on both the horizontal and vertical planes. Talking about IPS is very 1990s, we have several different technologies of IPS now such as performance-IPS (offers similar image quality and speed to TN but with better viewing angles), AS-IPS (offers contrast ratios nearing the level of PVA), etc. Nothing uses bog-standard IPS anymore.

So... As gaming usually involves the monitor sitting directly in front of you, there's no need for PVA/MVA for their superior viewing angles. As the gaming is normally fast paced there's no need for 100% accurate colour as things are moving too quickly. Slower games such as The Sims and Command and Conquer REALLY don't need 100% colour quality. The one thing you DO need is a high refresh speed with low input latencies, which is where TN shines. If you want greater viewing angles for Surround/Eyefinity, look at PVA or MVA panels. Although the screens should really be tilted towards you, so it negates that point.

 

[must4rdgas]

Input latency: TN > IPS, PVA, MVA, etc
Refresh rate: TN > IPS, PVA, MVA, etc
Image quality: IPS > MVA/PVA > TN
Viewing angle: PVA/MVA > IPS > TN
Contrast ratio: PVA/MVA > IPS > TN

Then there are a few other technologies as well which are in some way better than IPS, such as AFFS which offers almost 180' viewing angles on both the horizontal and vertical planes. Talking about IPS is very 1990s, we have several different technologies of IPS now such as performance-IPS (offers similar image quality and speed to TN but with better viewing angles), AS-IPS (offers contrast ratios nearing the level of PVA), etc. Nothing uses bog-standard IPS anymore.

So... As gaming usually involves the monitor sitting directly in front of you, there's no need for PVA/MVA for their superior viewing angles. As the gaming is normally fast paced there's no need for 100% accurate colour as things are moving too quickly. Slower games such as The Sims and Command and Conquer REALLY don't need 100% colour quality. The one thing you DO need is a high refresh speed with low input latencies, which is where TN shines. If you want greater viewing angles for Surround/Eyefinity, look at PVA or MVA panels. Although the screens should really be tilted towards you, so it negates that point.

Viewing angle is _obviously_ not a selling point for gamers/PC use in general, it's a fact about the technology that makes it better.

I have absolutely no lag/latency with a Samsung LA32C550; used for FPS and Sc2.

Far, far better experience than the many TN LCDs I've had.

And please substantiate for IPS winning at image quality, because I believe that to be bs due to PVA's higher contrast; unless you're talking from a resolution stand where PC IPS screens have high resolutions.

Promoting TN on the basis of latency and refresh and viewing angle is a farce, since there are no problems of the sort with modern PVA.

 

[Oj0]

Pray tell what you are using to measure input latency? Just because YOU can't perceive it doesn't mean that it is not there, or the next person won't notice.

Contrast ratio isn't the only thing to look for - the human eye can only perceive up to approximately 1000:1 anyway. A cinema is about 500:1. A printed newspaper is about 12:1. I LOL whenever I see 50 bajillion:1 contrast ratios Anyway, there's contrast ratio. There's a percentage of the NTSC spectrum. There's delta-E - of the three, contrast ratio is the least of your worries.

If you're gaming and a 120Hz monitor is an option, the 120Hz monitor is what you want. Why take something with input latency due to the scaler and half the refresh rate?

 

[Scooby6]

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[Redeye]

Congrats Scooby, Post a pic of your setup when you finished pse.

 

[justplainpete]

That is a very nice screen. The fact that brushed steel is used puts it into another bracket from your usual cheap plastic. Enjoy it man!

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[Mandarin]

I have owned Wizard's LG and currently have a SA 950. Once you have played on 120 hz..you are screwed for life.. I depends what kind of games you play... Like SC2... Dell...BF and fps then Sammy's 120 hz..

 

[must4rdgas]

Pray tell what you are using to measure input latency? Just because YOU can't perceive it doesn't mean that it is not there, or the next person won't notice.

Contrast ratio isn't the only thing to look for - the human eye can only perceive up to approximately 1000:1 anyway. A cinema is about 500:1. A printed newspaper is about 12:1. I LOL whenever I see 50 bajillion:1 contrast ratios Anyway, there's contrast ratio. There's a percentage of the NTSC spectrum. There's delta-E - of the three, contrast ratio is the least of your worries.

If you're gaming and a 120Hz monitor is an option, the 120Hz monitor is what you want. Why take something with input latency due to the scaler and half the refresh rate?

I used AV Forums to make a well-researched purchase, and my own IRL experiences. There is a lengthy thread dedicated to measuring latency etc. of many, many LCD TVs. I am a high level FPS and Sc2 gamer and I think I would notice the difference having gone from multiple 60Hz LCDs to 60Hz S-PVA LCD TV. Please note I did not consider 120Hz TN LCD, and they have no place in my arguments; I have no comment on it. I don't care much for 3D LED TN hype (because it's TN, and we know LED back-lighting on LCDs sucks), nor for your tedious technical twaddle -- I stand by everything I've said in this thread.

 

[Oj0]

Wait just one second. He's asking about a 120Hz TN panel vs something else and you're screaming "get something else" yet you've never used a 120Hz panel?

My word.

tedious technical twaddle

That's right, let's remove the one objective argument. Throw science out the window, the one thing where a true comparison can be made without bias. We only have space for subjective arguments here

 

[Scooby6]

Thanks guys.
But I seem to have the worst luck!
The screen failed me straight out of the box.
It is "fuzzy" on the right side of the screen and the left side is fine!
Its a connection problem that I think is in the base. When u move the base to certain angles, the right side is clear again. Check the pics...

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[must4rdgas]

Wait just one second. He's asking about a 120Hz TN panel vs something else and you're screaming "get something else" yet you've never used a 120Hz panel?

My word.



That's right, let's remove the one objective argument. Throw science out the window, the one thing where a true comparison can be made without bias. We only have space for subjective arguments here

Read my first post again, it was in response to all the PC IPS talk. As said I would never consider TN LCD no matter what 3D engine and LED (worse) backlighting it has, simply offers no picture quality.

I am a fan of value and quality. I don't believe PC IPS offers this, nor does TN offer quality. 32" LCD TV, specifically the current LA32D550, is where the sweetest spot is at. And it's better than IPS for general PC use when you compare tech for tech.

Re-read my posts, tell me where I have neglected science or thrown it out the window. What I threw out the window was irrelevant regurgitated twaddle.

 

[Orihalcon]

Good hell scooby! That is pretty sad man -waiting for the thing just to fire it up to have it do that

It is interesting though...

RMA that sucker!

PS; this is way I said DELL hehe

 

[PieterShaun]

Thanks guys.
But I seem to have the worst luck!
The screen failed me straight out of the box.
It is "fuzzy" on the right side of the screen and the left side is fine!
Its a connection problem that I think is in the base. When u move the base to certain angles, the right side is clear again. Check the pics...

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Scoobs i think the screen have a Flexi connector.Ii think that is the Problem rather send it back.Geez i would have loved this screen lol give u my 2770 and some moola or what lol

 

[Solidsnake]

Sorry to hear that Scoobs return it and get a new one , its faulty

 

[Oj0]

Read my first post again, it was in response to all the PC IPS talk. As said I would never consider TN LCD no matter what 3D engine and LED (worse) backlighting it has, simply offers no picture quality.

I am a fan of value and quality. I don't believe PC IPS offers this, nor does TN offer quality. 32" LCD TV, specifically the current LA32D550, is where the sweetest spot is at. And it's better than IPS for general PC use when you compare tech for tech.

Re-read my posts, tell me where I have neglected science or thrown it out the window. What I threw out the window was irrelevant regurgitated twaddle.

You're completely missing the point that he wants it for gaming, not staring at pretty photographs.

 

[must4rdgas]

You're completely missing the point that he wants it for gaming, not staring at pretty photographs.

You're completely missing the point that IPS PC LCD was being punted. Reread my posts before throwing a hissy (and Internet Science Lecture) leading to your misunderstanding.

 

[Scooby6]

Thanks guys ... RMA in progress!
They will collect and drop off a new one tomorrow.

 

[Oj0]

And you're standing here screaming "MVA is the best thing no matter what you want to do" when the discussion at hand is between IPS and TN. Different screens have different uses, and for gaming nothing can quite compare with 120Hz (try it before punting image quality).

 

[Scooby6]

Guys guys guys ... let's let that one rest for now ... the screen is bought so lets all come together ... hold hands around my new screen and sing Kumbayah

 

[Oj0]

I'd rather run off with your screen...

 

[Scooby6]

I'd rather run off with your screen...

Thaaaats why I NEVER invite forumites to come over ... LOL!

 

[SilvRav]

Thaaaats why I NEVER invite forumites to come over ... LOL!

That, and before you realized, 6 hours has passed talking CUD, open beers and a moody wife

 

[must4rdgas]

And you're standing here screaming "MVA is the best thing no matter what you want to do" when the discussion at hand is between IPS and TN.

No, I'm saying Samsung S-PVA LA32D550 offers best value for money in terms of size and image quality instead of believing one must fork out 1.5 - 3 times as much for 23" - 27" - 30" IPS LCD (albeit higher res) for good image quality; while being perfect for gaming i.e. as good as normal 60Hz TN PC LCDs due to no noticeable input lag/latency/etc. because of modern tech, PC mode, etc.

Different screens have different uses, and for gaming nothing can quite compare with 120Hz (try it before punting image quality).

120Hz TN screens were never part of my argument.

 

[Scooby6]

That, and before you realized, 6 hours has passed talking CUD, open beers and a moody wife

Lmao! ... I'm terrified they gonna have the CUD muchies and eat me out of house and goodies!

 

[Oj0]

120Hz TN screens were never part of my argument.

Did you not realise that 120Hz TN panels account for 50% of the topic of the thread? >.<

 

[must4rdgas]

Did you not realise that 120Hz TN panels account for 50% of the topic of the thread? >.<

And the other 50%?

1.5 - 3 times as much for 23" - 27" - 30" PC IPS LCD

For a scientist, you sure do lack comprehension. :/

 

[monsy]

LOL sorry to hear abt the new monitor Scoob

Another day of wait ye~ Hope it comes right this time haha

PS> must and Oj: should i book u okes a room?

 

[Oj0]

Stop looking at 50% of the debate and consider that whatever you're trying to debate is going up against a 120Hz TN panel and it's for gaming.

Let me put it this way - from the word go, a 120Hz TN panel has been an option. For gaming, 120Hz = heaven. Nothing else, be it the Dell or the Samsung, is a fair comparison as for the intended use they don't stand a chance.