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What music are you listening to now

It's a great song.

Context is important. Almost all songs are not written about you...

Otherwise:

Did you read the study you posted? Interesting study, I must say. Interesting peer review too.

It actually indicates that very little correlation was found with music, and that most of the causal relationship was actually found to be the other way around, as in people join alternative subcultures because they feel more at risk, not they are more at risk due to being in the alternative subculture.

Additionally, they also joined the subculture due to being bullied for being different etc. Most of the statements of music are also debunked:

"Nonetheless, while a variety of plausible mediating mechanisms exist, it is not yet clear what it is about alternative subculture affiliation (or alternative music preference) that could contribute to the risk of self-harm. This research requires interpretation within the wider context of public concern around alternative subcultures and their impact on the mental health of young people. This public concern has at times, unhelpfully, demonised alternative subcultures and music as a cause of problems including self-harm (Hjelm, Kahn-Harris & LeVine, 2011; Varas-Díaz, Rivera-Segarra, Medina, Mendoza, González-Sepūlveda, 2015). There is currently not adequate evidence to draw conclusions that these alternative subcultures themselves are in any way harmful. Instead a justifiable stance is to view individuals belonging to such subcultures as a group at elevated risk of self-harm, whom we may need to better understand and support."
 
It's a great song.

Context is important. Almost all songs are not written about you...

Otherwise:

That "research paper" is useless. They aren't saying the music is causing the self harm and suicide, just that people who listen to it are more prone than those who don't. There's no causation only that they are linked.
Personally the music is didn't lead me to self harm, the music helped stave off the self harm at times.
 
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Did you read the study you posted? Interesting study, I must say. Interesting peer review too.

It actually indicates that very little correlation was found with music, and that most of the causal relationship was actually found to be the other way around, as in people join alternative subcultures because they feel more at risk, not they are more at risk due to being in the alternative subculture.

Additionally, they also joined the subculture due to being bullied for being different etc. Most of the statements of music are also debunked:

"Nonetheless, while a variety of plausible mediating mechanisms exist, it is not yet clear what it is about alternative subculture affiliation (or alternative music preference) that could contribute to the risk of self-harm. This research requires interpretation within the wider context of public concern around alternative subcultures and their impact on the mental health of young people. This public concern has at times, unhelpfully, demonised alternative subcultures and music as a cause of problems including self-harm (Hjelm, Kahn-Harris & LeVine, 2011; Varas-Díaz, Rivera-Segarra, Medina, Mendoza, González-Sepūlveda, 2015). There is currently not adequate evidence to draw conclusions that these alternative subcultures themselves are in any way harmful. Instead a justifiable stance is to view individuals belonging to such subcultures as a group at elevated risk of self-harm, whom we may need to better understand and supportNonetheless, while a variety of plausible mediating mechanisms exist, it is not yet clear what it is about alternative subculture affiliation (or alternative music preference) that could contribute to the risk of self-harm."

Presents both sides?

I can't and am not speaking for everyone, I am only relating my experience of a time where I used to listen to a lot more metal and it wasn't good for my state of mind.

 
No I have a reading problem. But you might too? Did you think I was poo-pooing Rise Against? Did you look at the playlist?

I can't and am not speaking for everyone, I am only relating my experience of a time where I used to listen to a lot more metal and it wasn't good for my state of mind.


No, I used Rise Against purely as an example for my empathy indication, I saw they were in your playlist. I actually assumed you were listening to them, which is why I used them as an example rather than something old school metal like Metallica's Fade to Black, which covers similar subject material (suicide).

Ironically very few metal songs are actually about suicide. Suicide is generally a topic covered by emo bands.

Bruce Springsteen also loved singing about it, The Promised Land and Maria's Bed both immediately come to mind. I don't think he has ever been accused of promoting suicide.
 
This thing of "sad or aggressive music leads to people being more sad or aggressive" is very old-fashioned, and has been roundly debunked. Similar to the "violent video games make people more violent" thing etc. Just a vrot opinion that enables people to judge people who are different to them just because they don't follow mainstream tastes in stuff.

Anyway, to stay on topic, these guys are sick (and I reckon this song/video echoes a lot of the points we've been trying to make in the thread):

 
@rinners

They reach into your room
Just feel their gentle touch
When all hope is gone
You know sad songs say so much

:)
 
The War on Drugs, I don't live here anymore (album & song). It's a fantastic album.

 

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