The RWC Thread

[Petester]

I know I'm just saying, we're playing Pollard's game plan at the world cup, not the Manie game plan that smashed the All Blacks...we need to switch our plan or switch our flyhalf

After the way All blacks made Italy look like the blind team, I'm kinda glad we can only meet them in the final 😂

Pretty sure Ireland might think of throwing the game against Scotland after that

We are not playing Pollard's game plan either. Just the way we play.
Pollard in top shape and ready would have been the first choice, but not an under cooked Pollard who hasn't played in over 4 months. He is not even world class, at his best, so expecting him to just walk in and hit top form is unlikely. As mentioned before he is not even a decent goal kicker. 60% over his Test career is not great.

Yes we won the World Cup with him (not because of him), and he was great 4 years ago, but this isn't 2019 and he isn't the player he was.
Anyway, we have two games left, so it doesn't really matter I guess.

And still no one can explain why we have 4 Scrum halves. Rassie and Nienaber perhaps didn't do well at arithmetic at school.

 

[Areola Grande]

My DTSV appears to be ineffective.

Where else might one find the stream on the interwebs?

 

[Brandon3]

My DTSV appears to be ineffective.

Where else might one find the stream on the interwebs?

Itvx. Have to use a VPN however and it only appears to work on the itvx app.

 

[Areola Grande]

Itvx. Have to use a VPN however and it only appears to work on the itvx app.

Thanks man

 

[crackOlicious]

Well done boys, we going to have to step up our game though for the quarters

 

[HButton]

Yeah nah yeah, haters are gonna hate and masters are gonna bate...

 

[HButton]

We are not playing Pollard's game plan either. Just the way we play.
Pollard in top shape and ready would have been the first choice, but not an under cooked Pollard who hasn't played in over 4 months. He is not even world class, at his best, so expecting him to just walk in and hit top form is unlikely. As mentioned before he is not even a decent goal kicker. 60% over his Test career is not great.

Yes we won the World Cup with him (not because of him), and he was great 4 years ago, but this isn't 2019 and he isn't the player he was.
Anyway, we have two games left, so it doesn't really matter I guess.

And still no one can explain why we have 4 Scrum halves. Rassie and Nienaber perhaps didn't do well at arithmetic at school.

You must still be watching the 2003 world cup reruns. All the best.

 

[StangV2_0]

We are not playing Pollard's game plan either. Just the way we play.
Pollard in top shape and ready would have been the first choice, but not an under cooked Pollard who hasn't played in over 4 months. He is not even world class, at his best, so expecting him to just walk in and hit top form is unlikely. As mentioned before he is not even a decent goal kicker. 60% over his Test career is not great.

Well it would appear Pollard silenced a lot of his critics last night. Did great.

Anyway, we have two games left, so it doesn't really matter I guess.

Well, aren't you just a ray of sunshine!! So, in your opinion, last night's win was our 2nd last game, and we are going out in the 1/4 final against France? I say France because Ireland are going to beat Scotland. And if they dont, then game was rigged

 

[Areola Grande]

Ireland will surely beat Scotland.

Scotland would have to beat Ireland by over 20 and Ireland have to score at least 4 tries (So 41-20) for them to go through and knock us out. I don't see it happening.

 

[goldfritter]

Ireland will surely beat Scotland.

Scotland would have to beat Ireland by over 20 and Ireland have to score at least 4 tries (So 41-20) for them to go through and knock us out. I don't see it happening.

I had it as:

If two teams end the group stage on the same number of points, the result of their match against each other determines who goes through.

Even if Scotland win with a BP, they'll be on the same number of points as us, and since we beat them, we'd go through. Score difference doesn't come into play.

 

[JayDoubleYou]

I may or may not have found a site to stream the rugby at 1080p and it works great. Not sure about posting it here as it may or may not be promoting piracy but my DM's are free real estate

 

[StangV2_0]

Ireland will surely beat Scotland.

Scotland would have to beat Ireland by over 20 and Ireland have to score at least 4 tries (So 41-20) for them to go through and knock us out. I don't see it happening.

Well you would think so. Scotland havent beaten Ireland in the last 8 games. And Ireland are kak strong at the moment.

 

[disipher]

I may or may not have found a site to stream the rugby at 1080p and it works great. Not sure about posting it here as it may or may not be promoting piracy but my DM's are free real estate

SABC does it for free? not sure if 1080p....and also commentary is kak cuase it swaps between like 11 languages

 

[Petester]

Well it would appear Pollard silenced a lot of his critics last night. Did great.



Well, aren't you just a ray of sunshine!! So, in your opinion, last night's win was our 2nd last game, and we are going out in the 1/4 final against France? I say France because Ireland are going to beat Scotland. And if they dont, then game was rigged

Oh please. It was Tonga. Wasn't a good team performance. Even Willie Le Roux scored and he should be in an after care facility.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I haven't been wrong yet. Said we would lose to Ireland and we will lose to France. No shame in that. They are the better teams.

 

[AdriDa]

We are not playing Pollard's game plan either. Just the way we play.
Pollard in top shape and ready would have been the first choice, but not an under cooked Pollard who hasn't played in over 4 months. He is not even world class, at his best, so expecting him to just walk in and hit top form is unlikely. As mentioned before he is not even a decent goal kicker. 60% over his Test career is not great.

Yes we won the World Cup with him (not because of him), and he was great 4 years ago, but this isn't 2019 and he isn't the player he was.
Anyway, we have two games left, so it doesn't really matter I guess.

And still no one can explain why we have 4 Scrum halves. Rassie and Nienaber perhaps didn't do well at arithmetic at school.

Amazing that this player who isn't world class even at his best has so many points at world cups, must have the best luck

 

[StangV2_0]

Even if Scotland win with a BP, they'll be on the same number of points as us, and since we beat them, we'd go through. Score difference doesn't come into play.

Well, that's the way I understand it as well. But apparently if Scotland win game by 21 points or more, and get bonus point, with Ireland also getting a bonus point, boks may be on way home.

 

[Petester]

Amazing that this player who isn't world class even at his best has so many points at world cups, must have the best luck

He is not world class. Very good player though when fit.

 

[Areola Grande]

I had it as:

If two teams end the group stage on the same number of points, the result of their match against each other determines who goes through.

Even if Scotland win with a BP, they'll be on the same number of points as us, and since we beat them, we'd go through. Score difference doesn't come into play.

We have 15 points.

If Scotland win with a BP, they will be on 15. If Ireland lose with a BP, they will be on 15.

A 3-way tie goes to Points Difference.

If Scotland score 41 and concede 20 against Ireland, there PD becomes 118 (ours is 117) and they go through.

 

[Areola Grande]

Rugby World Cup permutations: Which teams can qualify for quarter-finals?

The tournament will conclude with the final at the Stade de France on Saturday 28 October

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[goldfritter]

Well, that's the way I understand it as well. But apparently if Scotland win game by 21 points or more, and get bonus point, with Ireland also getting a bonus point, boks may be on way home.

We have 15 points.

If Scotland win with a BP, they will be on 15. If Ireland lose with a BP, they will be on 15.

A 3-way tie goes to Points Difference.

If Scotland score 41 and concede 20 against Ireland, there PD becomes 118 (ours is 117) and they go through.

For Ireland to lose and still get a BP they need to be within 7 points of the other team. So it's mutually exclusive for Ireland to lose by more than 21 points but still get a BP.

 

[StangV2_0]

Oh please. It was Tonga.

Not saying it was a great team performance. Not concerned about that. I can however assure you that Tonga are more physical than the French.

But Pollard stepped up and delivered as expected. Not bad for a guy who hasn't played a full 80 minutes in total this year? You don't feel Pollard did well?

 

[Areola Grande]

For Ireland to lose and still get a BP they need to be within 7 points of the other team. So it's mutually exclusive for Ireland to lose by more than 21 points but still get a BP.

If Ireland score 4 tries they get a BP.

 

[goldfritter]

If Ireland score 4 tries they get a BP.

Ah right. For some reason I had it as they only get the 4-try BP if they win.

Which means that not only would the score difference need to be 41-20, Ireland would also need to score 4 tries while still losing the match.

 

[Petester]

Not saying it was a great team performance. Not concerned about that. I can however assure you that Tonga are more physical than the French.

But Pollard stepped up and delivered as expected. Not bad for a guy who hasn't played a full 80 minutes in total this year? You don't feel Pollard did well?

He was fine. He had a decent game. He is very predicable though and as I said before, with our two tanks in midfield we lack creativity.
French pack are very physical. We only tend to prevail when our pack dominates. Could say that about most teams but we don't have a better pack than Ireland or France.

 

[netstrider]

For Ireland to lose and still get a BP they need to be within 7 points of the other team. So it's mutually exclusive for Ireland to lose by more than 21 points but still get a BP.

Unless they lose by more than 7 and score 4 tries.

 

[StangV2_0]

The most impressive part for me was Pollards first kick. Given all the happenings and talk about our goal kicking the last few weeks, you can only imagine the pressure.

First game back for Boks this year. Under pressure.

World and Manie Libbok watching. And he just nailed the kick from the touchline!!!! Thats the BMT he brings.

 

[Divan85]

Pollard had a good 50min. Kicking was good, slotted 4 from 4. However, when Libbok came on our back line immediately looked more dangerous and that is what Libbok brings to the team. He can put our backs away which Pollard is not that good at, maybe once he is back to his best, but there's no time for that as the next game is the QF vs France. Will be very interesting to see what Rassie and co will decide to do. Libbok also slotted 3 kicks (and missed none), his first being from the touchline, but again there surely weren't much pressure on those kicks. Also, Libbok's kicking out of hand was MUCH better than Pollard's.

Drop Manie and play Pollard, don't be djas. Manie must start.

More importantly in this game Deon Fourie impressed at hooker, like riding a bike, he's still got it and will definitely have to be our backup hooker going forward. Van Staden's lineout throws were bad. Deon had a good game, MotM in my opinion (don't actually know who got it?).

Lastly, Mapimpi out of RWC. Will they replace him with a wing or bring in a hooker like Dweba? Dweba more physical than Deon, however Deon's lineout throws are better and his fetching ability puts him above Dweba IMHO.

Jasper Wiese is not having a great tournament. I would honestly start Duane ahead of him and play Kwagga of the bench, but hey, that's just my opinion.

Over to you Naas...

 

[Fife]

we don't have a better pack than Ireland or France.

Now I realize why I couldn't take you seriously

 

[Divan85]

Team Pts PD
South Africa 15 +117
Ireland 14 +122
Scotland 10 +97

Scotland get 5, Ireland 0 -> Scotland and SA go through with 15 points, Ireland go home on 14.
Scotland get 4, Ireland 1 -> All three teams end on 15 points, PD comes into play. To get a losing BP difference must be <=7, so that means Scotland's PD can (at best) only be +97+7 = +104 so they will go home as Ireland and SA will have superior PD.
Scotland get 4, Ireland 2 -> Ireland top the pool with 16, SA second on 15, Scotland go home on 14.
Scotland get 5, Ireland 2 -> Ireland top the pool with 16, SA and Scotland on 15 each, SA go through because we beat Scotland.

So as far as I am concerned we are guaranteed a spot in the QF, or what am I missing?

 

[goldfritter]

Team Pts PD
South Africa 15 +117
Ireland 14 +122
Scotland 10 +97

Scotland get 5, Ireland 0 -> Scotland and SA go through with 15 points, Ireland go home on 14.
Scotland get 4, Ireland 1 -> All three teams end on 15 points, PD comes into play. To get a losing BP difference must be <=7, so that means Scotland's PD can (at best) only be +97+7 = +104 so they will go home as Ireland and SA will have superior PD.
Scotland get 4, Ireland 2 -> Ireland top the pool with 16, SA second on 15, Scotland go home on 14.
Scotland get 5, Ireland 2 -> Ireland top the pool with 16, SA and Scotland on 15 each, SA go through because we beat Scotland.

So as far as I am concerned we are guaranteed a spot in the QF, or what am I missing?

You're missing the same thing I was missing, i.e. if Ireland lose with a high enough PD (41-20) but still get 4 tries, we all end on 15 pts and Scotland's PD will be higher than ours.