What's new
Carbonite

Welcome to Carbonite! Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Gravity's mystery may prove our multiverse exists

ian_stagib

Teh CUD Enforcer
Staff member
Site Owner / Overlord
Rating - 100%
162   0   0
Joined
Jun 19, 2010
Messages
4,879
Reaction score
1,172
Points
3,665
Location
Pretoria

PaladinLaw

Senior Member
Rating - 100%
18   0   0
Joined
Mar 4, 2019
Messages
671
Reaction score
555
Points
1,565
Age
29
Location
Boksburg, Johannesburg
incredibly interesting stuff, thanks for sharing
 

ian_stagib

Teh CUD Enforcer
Staff member
Site Owner / Overlord
Rating - 100%
162   0   0
Joined
Jun 19, 2010
Messages
4,879
Reaction score
1,172
Points
3,665
Location
Pretoria

Eternity Nova

Well-Known Member
Rating - 100%
33   0   0
Joined
Nov 2, 2015
Messages
292
Reaction score
96
Points
1,245
Age
25
Location
HArtbeespoort
"Panek examines the first few microseconds of our universe's existence after the Big Bang -- an infinitesimally short amount of time that nevertheless may have spawned as many as one hundred cenquinsexagintillion sister universes right alongside our own "

what a bunch of bullshit. Did everything come from nothing? Did Time and all matter come from nothing spinning really fast? If that's so shouldn't I live in constant fear the a second big bang happens in my backyard and destroy the whole earth? Seriously this isn't science it's borderline fiction.
 
Last edited:

PaladinLaw

Senior Member
Rating - 100%
18   0   0
Joined
Mar 4, 2019
Messages
671
Reaction score
555
Points
1,565
Age
29
Location
Boksburg, Johannesburg

iamgigglz

Girthy biker
VIP Supporter
Rating - 100%
201   0   0
Joined
Aug 19, 2014
Messages
4,785
Reaction score
659
Points
2,965
Location
Parkhurst
"Panek examines the first few microseconds of our universe's existence after the Big Bang -- an infinitesimally short amount of time that nevertheless may have spawned as many as one hundred cenquinsexagintillion sister universes right alongside our own "

what a bunch of bullshit. Did everything come from nothing? Did Time and all matter come from nothing spinning really fast? If that's so shouldn't I live in constant fear the a second big bang happens in my backyard and destroy the whole earth? Seriously this isn't science it's borderline fiction.
Depends on your definition of "nothing".
Most science was borderline fiction at some point.

Theoretical physics is a branch of physics that employs mathematical models and abstractions of physical objects and systems to rationalize, explain and predict natural phenomena. This is in contrast to experimental physics, which uses experimental tools to probe these phenomena.
What you need to understand is people like Richard Panek, Hendrik Casimir and Albert Einstein take known facts about our universe and extrapolate them to try and explain the unexplained. The only way to do this is to formulate a theory and then try and prove it. Most theories seem crazy, most are disproved, but occasionally we manage to prove one correct or close enough to correct. This then gets added to our model and allows us to come up with more theories.

For more than a thousand years we accepted that the earth was the centre of the universe. After a decade of work and after sitting on it for 30 years out of fear, Copernicus published his (mostly) correct heliocentric theory in 1543. 70 years later people were still being burned at the stake for agreeing with him.

By all means, question everything, but by simply dismissing a theory as "a bunch of bullshit" on face value is shortsighted.
 

𝕎𝕚ℤ𝕒𝕣𝕕

𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔄𝔫𝔠𝔦𝔢𝔫𝔱 𝔒𝔫𝔢
VIP Supporter
Rating - 100%
212   0   1
Joined
Apr 23, 2010
Messages
4,857
Reaction score
773
Points
3,515
Location
Pretoria East
What you need to understand is people like Richard Panek, Hendrik Casimir and Albert Einstein take known facts about our universe and extrapolate them to try and explain the unexplained. The only way to do this is to formulate a theory and then try and prove it. Most theories seem crazy, most are disproved, but occasionally we manage to prove one correct or close enough to correct. This then gets added to our model and allows us to come up with more theories.

For more than a thousand years we accepted that the earth was the centre of the universe. After a decade of work and after sitting on it for 30 years out of fear, Copernicus published his (mostly) correct heliocentric theory in 1543. 70 years later people were still being burned at the stake for agreeing with him.

By all means, question everything, but by simply dismissing a theory as "a bunch of bullshit" on face value is shortsighted.
Please get your scientific terms correct: An idea is called a Hypothesis - It becomes a theory once proven, until then an idea is called a Hypothesis...
 

iamgigglz

Girthy biker
VIP Supporter
Rating - 100%
201   0   0
Joined
Aug 19, 2014
Messages
4,785
Reaction score
659
Points
2,965
Location
Parkhurst
Please get your scientific terms correct: An idea is called a Hypothesis - It becomes a theory once proven, until then an idea is called a Hypothesis...
Hah - TIL. Thanks.
 

AntonG

Zero Gravitas
VIP Supporter
Rating - 100%
29   0   0
Joined
Mar 1, 2016
Messages
152
Reaction score
78
Points
985
Age
44
Location
Cape Town
"Panek examines the first few microseconds of our universe's existence after the Big Bang -- an infinitesimally short amount of time that nevertheless may have spawned as many as one hundred cenquinsexagintillion sister universes right alongside our own "

what a bunch of bullshit. Did everything come from nothing? Did Time and all matter come from nothing spinning really fast? If that's so shouldn't I live in constant fear the a second big bang happens in my backyard and destroy the whole earth? Seriously this isn't science it's borderline fiction.
Considering you yourself started out as from virtually nothing and grew into a whole human being, it is not inconceivable.
Think of the power of a nuclear fission - something so small and seemingly insignificant can have a huge effect.
 

virus786

Fresh Spawn
Rating - 100%
11   0   0
Joined
Feb 3, 2011
Messages
274
Reaction score
173
Points
1,455
Location
/\/¯¯¯¯¯\/\
"Panek examines the first few microseconds of our universe's existence after the Big Bang -- an infinitesimally short amount of time that nevertheless may have spawned as many as one hundred cenquinsexagintillion sister universes right alongside our own "

what a bunch of bullshit. Did everything come from nothing? Did Time and all matter come from nothing spinning really fast? If that's so shouldn't I live in constant fear the a second big bang happens in my backyard and destroy the whole earth? Seriously this isn't science it's borderline fiction.
Shhh, we do not need logic in this thread.

We must believe, have blind faith in science!
 

Eternity Nova

Well-Known Member
Rating - 100%
33   0   0
Joined
Nov 2, 2015
Messages
292
Reaction score
96
Points
1,245
Age
25
Location
HArtbeespoort
ted out as from virtually nothing and grew into a whole human being, it is not inconceivable.
Think of the power of a nuclear fission - something so small and seemingly insignifi
I hear your point but i started for a sperm cell and an egg. and nuclear fission is the splitting of atoms not nothing
 

virus786

Fresh Spawn
Rating - 100%
11   0   0
Joined
Feb 3, 2011
Messages
274
Reaction score
173
Points
1,455
Location
/\/¯¯¯¯¯\/\
At this point "science" is just another religion.
 

rinners

runs at stock
VIP Supporter
Rating - 100%
265   0   0
Joined
Jan 8, 2016
Messages
3,234
Reaction score
684
Points
2,565
What are the odds of enough of the correct elements happening to come together to form the first living cell organism.... it's astronomically low
 

rinners

runs at stock
VIP Supporter
Rating - 100%
265   0   0
Joined
Jan 8, 2016
Messages
3,234
Reaction score
684
Points
2,565
At this point "science" is just another religion.
Lol, I thought you needed the faith element in a religion, but I guess if you believe in the big bang creating life then you have a lot of faith =P
 

AntonG

Zero Gravitas
VIP Supporter
Rating - 100%
29   0   0
Joined
Mar 1, 2016
Messages
152
Reaction score
78
Points
985
Age
44
Location
Cape Town
I hear your point but i started for a sperm cell and an egg. and nuclear fission is the splitting of atoms not nothing
We don't know if there was nothing - taking into account what we know of physics there seems to be a balance of sorts (eg. every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction) it is most likely there was "matter" before the big bang.
 

AntonG

Zero Gravitas
VIP Supporter
Rating - 100%
29   0   0
Joined
Mar 1, 2016
Messages
152
Reaction score
78
Points
985
Age
44
Location
Cape Town
What are the odds of enough of the correct elements happening to come together to form the first living cell organism.... it's astronomically low
The odds of life are low yet earth is teeming with life in every nook and cranny.
And that is just carbon based life as we know it - considering the size of the observable universe and the amount of matter therein, the chance of life (not necessarily intelligent) is not that remote.
 

rinners

runs at stock
VIP Supporter
Rating - 100%
265   0   0
Joined
Jan 8, 2016
Messages
3,234
Reaction score
684
Points
2,565
Several years ago, evolutionist Harold Morowitz of Yale, and currently professor of biology and natural philosophy at George Mason University, estimated the probability of the formation of the smallest and simplest living organism to be one in 10^340,000,000 (1970, p. 99). A few years following Morowitz’s calculations, the late, renowned evolutionist Carl Sagan made his own estimation of the chance that life could evolve on any given single planet: one in 10^2,000,000,000 (1973, p. 46)! Note also that these calculations were made before the last several decades have revealed with even more clarity the complexity of life (cf. Deweese, 2010).
 

AntonG

Zero Gravitas
VIP Supporter
Rating - 100%
29   0   0
Joined
Mar 1, 2016
Messages
152
Reaction score
78
Points
985
Age
44
Location
Cape Town

SCHUMI4EVER

Peripheral Phanatic
VIP Supporter
Rating - 100%
18   0   0
Joined
Oct 27, 2016
Messages
6,440
Reaction score
1,900
Points
2,765
Location
Durban, KZN
Finding the source of gravity? Gravity is just inertia acting upon other objects. I don't see how that has anything to do with a multi-verse. So their reasoning now is if we see it's effects but can't fully explain it it must be leaking in from another universe? Lol. That sounds decidedly unscientific.
 

Eternity Nova

Well-Known Member
Rating - 100%
33   0   0
Joined
Nov 2, 2015
Messages
292
Reaction score
96
Points
1,245
Age
25
Location
HArtbeespoort

Latest posts

Top Donors

$301.00
$200.00
$165.00
$120.00
Top