[Discussion] Roids/PED's/SARMS (any of the others) and everything that surrounds them

[pseudomeaningful]

This is a MOERSE subject. I know of other WHOLE forums dedicated to this.

It CAN be done with "minimal" health effects... There are always dangers with things like this.
And, as mentioned above, you can't just pop a pilletjie or twee and grow and think that was the safest/healthiest way.

If you ARE going to klap roids you need to
1. Do kak baie research boet, and then more research
2. Get bloodwork done before, during and after to make sure your body isn't taking more strain than is needed (taking substances arguably places more strain on your body than is needed)
3. Eat a LOT (yes you can stuff McD's in your bek and grow but you'll put on more fat than with a proper diet and this is ALSO bad) and eat properly.
4. Do PROPER PCT.

It's still not a great idea... Many peeps that klap roids end up depressed afterwards because you can exceed your natural limits and will eventually settle back at your natural limits when you come off of whatever you were on... So then you have to go again and again and again...

This. You basically summarized those forums, which I know of.
the only thing I would add is not it is absolutely not recommended to ever do them before the age of approx 26, when the body's natural test production has peaked.

 

[Dom]

This is a MOERSE subject. I know of other WHOLE forums dedicated to this.

It CAN be done with "minimal" health effects... There are always dangers with things like this.
And, as mentioned above, you can't just pop a pilletjie or twee and grow and think that was the safest/healthiest way.

If you ARE going to klap roids you need to
1. Do kak baie research boet, and then more research
2. Get bloodwork done before, during and after to make sure your body isn't taking more strain than is needed (taking substances arguably places more strain on your body than is needed)
3. Eat a LOT (yes you can stuff McD's in your bek and grow but you'll put on more fat than with a proper diet and this is ALSO bad) and eat properly.
4. Do PROPER PCT.

It's still not a great idea... Many peeps that klap roids end up depressed afterwards because you can exceed your natural limits and will eventually settle back at your natural limits when you come off of whatever you were on... So then you have to go again and again and again...

I have seen so & was interested to see a Carb perspective.

There are definitely so many factors to it - the difference between when you are taking them & not is also massive (mentally + physically).

 

[pɐlΛ‾pɐq‾ƃᴉq]

Apologies in advance..... But I HAD to.

superdrol

 

[Dom]

Also some of the side effects are straight up depression and mood dysregulation so it doesn't even just settle into this cycle it it's just there.

I have heard of that - chemicals concerning moods + mental wellbeing are almost always different from one person to another. Things can go haywire with normal day to day happenings let alone with a complex foreign compound.

I think that people do too often miss the long-term effects on you physically as well as mentally.

 

[thePridge]

I have heard of that - chemicals concerning moods + mental wellbeing are almost always different from one person to another.

This is the same reason that one anti anxiety or anti depression pill doesn't work for everyone. I know people who have had to have multiple different "tries" of different medication combos because the first try made em "loopy" or made it worse etc.

The brain's chemical makeup is super complex.

 

[pɐlΛ‾pɐq‾ƃᴉq]

This is the same reason that one anti anxiety or anti depression pill doesn't work for everyone. I know people who have had to have multiple different "tries" of different medication combos because the first try made em "loopy" or made it worse etc.

The brain's chemical makeup is super complex.

Correct. Some have to be tested for 3 months before actually knowing if it's working or not.

 

[Dom]

This is the same reason that one anti anxiety or anti depression pill doesn't work for everyone. I know people who have had to have multiple different "tries" of different medication combos because the first try made em "loopy" or made it worse etc.

The brain's chemical makeup is super complex.

It really is & one thing for something else can affect something else all too easily.

Not considering medical history & anything else noteworthy has massive potential to cause issues - we only have one body that can work up to a century but this can be exponentially reduced through some short bad decisions.

 

[thePridge]

It really is & one thing for something else can affect something else all too easily.

Not considering medical history & anything else noteworthy has massive potential to cause issues - we only have one body that can work up to a century but this can be exponentially reduced through some short bad decisions.

Then you get people who get on the juice but then still klap the sauce over the weekend (go out drinking).

Another thing I've NEVER understood is the guys who gym hard (potentially on gear) and then they go outside and smoke... ai.

 

[Dom]

Then you get people who get on the juice but then still klap the sauce over the weekend (go out drinking).

Another thing I've NEVER understood is the guys who gym hard (potentially on gear) and then they go outside and smoke... ai.

Hahaha, it just multiples the possibilities of issues!

Same - you are limiting yourself. Have also heard of guys who do it & then casually use hard drugs too :/

 

[Scrooloose]

yes and no. I am getting stronger, but physical appearance would also help a lot. Ppl take you more seriously, no one says hey check that strong guy out. Ppl say hey check that big guy out and that gets associated with positive. While saying hey check that skinny guy out gets associated with negative.

I see it in the work place too. Lately my mind has just been clouded with thoughts of just being the average oak living an average mind and I have been pushing to be something more meaningful. Plus I am sure my fiance would like some big arms, v line etc to hold onto.

I need to understand this statement. How do people take you more seriously when you're big? First reactions tend to be that these mega swole chaps are meatheads that care about their appearances above all else. Of course it's not necessarily the truth, it's just the impression.

I for one can attest that I don't enjoy working with the bodybuilder types at the office. Their space smells like eggs, they're forever chatting to one another about their "protas" and they are rarely the top performers in the workforce.

I ask this one simple question: Have you EVER seen a medical doctor shaped like the Hulk? I've seen cyclists, cross country runners and very fit ones, but never a bodybuilder. Yes, there's bound to be one. And that guy will most certainly not be taking roids.

 

[B0ttl3kaP]

I'm not against them in the context of adults taking them to increase their performance in a professional environment (pro bodybuilding, sports, weightlifting, etc). I personally want to see the absolute peak of what humans can achieve, and PEDs are a part of that in my opinion (also the top athletes are already taking the "banned" substances for their respective leagues and organizations). It doesn't make sense to me to take it "recreationally", for example if you're an average gym goer who has "stalled" or is a "hard gainer", you're not gaining anything out of it other than vanity and likely negative side effects because I doubt you're following proper protocols in this situation.

 

[Dom]

I'm not against them in the context of adults taking them to increase their performance in a professional environment (pro bodybuilding, sports, weightlifting, etc). I personally want to see the absolute peak of what humans can achieve, and PEDs are a part of that in my opinion (also the top athletes are already taking the "banned" substances for their respective leagues and organizations). It doesn't make sense to me to take it "recreationally", for example if you're an average gym goer who has "stalled" or is a "hard gainer", you're not gaining anything out of it other than vanity and likely negative side effects because I doubt you're following proper protocols in this situation.

This is an interesting perspective - surely this is highly monitored & regulated in the professional space.

As with all things - it is great to push the limits but why do it just because you can.

 

[thePridge]

This is an interesting perspective - surely this is highly monitored & regulated in the professional space.

Yeah...no... ok this whole "substances in pro sports" is a huge can of worms.

"Natty Now" vs "Natty forever"... The top level body builders will never be "natty forever"... They cycle (not on bikes) in their off season to add size. I suppose the federations "overlook" this because these "monsters" (size wise) is what brings the crowds/attention.

 

[B0ttl3kaP]

Yeah...no... ok this whole "substances in pro sports" is a huge can of worms.

"Natty Now" vs "Natty forever"... The top level body builders will never be "natty forever"... They cycle (not on bikes) in their off season to add size. I suppose the federations "overlook" this because these "monsters" (size wise) is what brings the crowds/attention.

Exactly. I'm of the opinion that if you see someone on a pedestal or with a medal, chances are they're on something that they're "not supposed to be on".

 

[ThatGuyJD]

This is an interesting perspective - surely this is highly monitored & regulated in the professional space.

Lol, yeah not so much. Some leagues are "tested" as in they test to make sure everyone has PEDs in their systems just about. Others have absolutely no restrictions.

 

[EliteOp]

My view is very "black and white" here:
Each person has a right to do whatever they want with their own body as long as it does not affect me negatively so I'm either "for" or "against" it.

Use it for medical reasons (and therefore subscribed legally by a medical practitioner for that reason) = for
Use it for personal gains and non competitive and not disclose it = for (still obtaining it illegal = against)
Use it in a sport where the said substance is illegal and you do not disclose it = against
Promote a brand/sell products/have financial gain and does not disclose it = against

 

[Dom]

Lol, yeah not so much. Some leagues are "tested" as in they test to make sure everyone has PEDs in their systems just about. Others have absolutely no restrictions.

Had a felling it was that - TBH it takes away any credibility & impressiveness from it for me.

 

[ThatGuyJD]

Had a felling it was that - TBH it takes away any credibility & impressiveness from it for me.

Oh no, it absolutely still stays impressive to me, these people are doing shit that is beyond the human limit just about.

Also yes there are people who don't take anything.

Also a clear distinction between bodybuilding and powerlifting is that bodybuilding has no physical exertion requirements thus PEDs don't help them once they're performing, for them it is about the buildup to the stage walk, better recovery and all that, they aren't tested at all to my knowledge.
Powerlifting, it get's complicated purely due to the absolute number of different leagues that there are, some people don't want to say that they're on things or at least have some deniability. Others will stand behind their "tested" league but it might or might not mean anything. There might even be leagues that they actually tested.

 

[PsyentisT]

I truly believe it should be a legal requirement for major social media fitness influencers to state what drug/supplement they are taking to have their build. Blows my mind that they can still get away with not doing so. The mental and physical strain they are forcing on their young and naive followers is so sad to me.

I see a comment above asking WHY people would want to be that big and I am certain social media is huge factor.

 

[Dom]

I truly believe it should be a legal requirement for major social media fitness influencers to state what drug/supplement they are taking to have their build. Blows my mind that they can still get away with not doing so. The mental and physical strain they are forcing on their young and naive followers is so sad to me.

I see a comment above asking WHY people would want to be that big and I am certain social media is huge factor.

Same - they are so many people on all platforms who think they are natural and are meanwhile only disclosing half of the story.

 

[B0ttl3kaP]

Had a felling it was that - TBH it takes away any credibility & impressiveness from it for me.

PEDs will not make you a star athlete or world champion, they'll allow you to push past barriers which you will inevitably reach with optimal training and nutrition within your genetic potential (different people respond differently to PEDs). Or if you're a dumbass who is playing around with them because you're lazy you end up with mediocre gains and side effects like gyno and messed up hormone levels. People whose entire career and even life's passion depends on becoming stronger, faster, bigger have a tool that helps them achieve that in the form of PEDs. I don't see why PEDs are a uniquely bad thing for people to take in a professional context. I say let adults make the decision for themselves, no reason to make it illegal or banned.

 

[ThatGuyJD]

Back to my want to use for recreational purposes. Was just for me, yeah I was definitely thinking about looking better to the opposite gender and for the public in general but my social media wasn't the goal. Also was hoping to put some numbers up for the gym, like I was getting there without it but a nice little bump would have been great too.

 

[ThatGuyJD]

no reason to make it illegal or banned.

Disagree with this. Make it legal but not freely available as then even more kids will jump on it without knowledge and ban it from most forms of competing but have areas where it's has unrestricted use. Just how fast can a human run the 100m, how fast can they complete the tour de France, how far can a human hit a cricket ball? Don't have it for physical sport ie rugby, mma, boxing that vibe, let golf and soccer and netball people go wild with it because injury risk won't increase significantly.

 

[Byakugan]

I need to understand this statement. How do people take you more seriously when you're big? First reactions tend to be that these mega swole chaps are meatheads that care about their appearances above all else. Of course it's not necessarily the truth, it's just the impression.

I for one can attest that I don't enjoy working with the bodybuilder types at the office. Their space smells like eggs, they're forever chatting to one another about their "protas" and they are rarely the top performers in the workforce.

I ask this one simple question: Have you EVER seen a medical doctor shaped like the Hulk? I've seen cyclists, cross country runners and very fit ones, but never a bodybuilder. Yes, there's bound to be one. And that guy will most certainly not be taking roids.

Lol I think we have met different types of "meatheads". And yes I have seen medical doctors shaped like the "hulk". Just because that person is a doctor doesn't mean they don't take the things that they tell you is bad. Its like doctors who smoke.

And top performance at work doesn't equal success. You can be a top performer and have an average job. While the meathead has the leadership role you have to report to.

 

[Dom]

Disagree with this. Make it legal but not freely available as then even more kids will jump on it without knowledge and ban it from most forms of competing but have areas where it's has unrestricted use. Just how fast can a human run the 100m, how fast can they complete the tour de France, how far can a human hit a cricket ball? Don't have it for physical sport ie rugby, mma, boxing that vibe, let golf and soccer and netball people go wild with it because injury risk won't increase significantly.

Agree here - the playing field needs to be level at a competitive level (as it goes: you cannot judge a fish for its ability to climb a tree).

 

[Ner0]

bro dont use roids,just TREN hard eat CLEN bruh!!!! ANAVAR give UP!!!!

 

[Ner0]

I have considering taking dianabol for a while now. No matter how hard I train, how I eat, regardless of the personal trainer etc I never seem to get any proper definition going on besides some arm definition. And if I stop exercising I loose weight and get skinny again. And frankly I got tired of constantly working hard at it and looking literally the same while I see other gaining like there is no tomorrow.

Even started setting goals like such as being able to do a 15km run, then bigger etc. And in todays society your looks are vastly more important than who or what u are. But I have always been worried about the health side affects.

you will never get any definition when taking dbol dude, just water retention become big balloon animal

 

[Dom]

bro dont use roids,just TREN hard eat CLEN bruh!!!! ANAVAR give UP!!!!

While hilarious, did you not resell supps at one point?

 

[Ner0]

While hilarious, did you not resell supps at one point?

I still do jip bud, but only selling locally now as shipping takes up most profits as people can get free shipping with most online stores.

 

[Tsakie]

@Nerozki - "definition" has nothing to do with the PED you are using.

You can be using Test prop, Winstrol and Anavar (which will generally be used on a cutting cycle) and consume 3000 calories more than your daily expenditure and you'll become the balloon you are referring to.