[Discussion] Roids/PED's/SARMS (any of the others) and everything that surrounds them

[Dom]

Would be interested to hear opinions here - my stance is quite firm & I did indelicately breach it with @affxct

Research + long term effects is obviously part of my stance against them - I did recently read an article concerning the criminality & gang violence around them as well.

 

[Valheru]

Also a definite no-no.

There are however exceptions where part of treatment will be medically administered steroids, not sure how true or how applicable to sports injuries.

 

[Dom]

Also a definite no-no.

There are however exceptions where part of treatment will be medically administered steroids, not sure how true or how applicable to sports injuries.

Agreed - they do have alternate use to assist the body with managing recovery/deficiencies (as administered + guided by a medical professional).

I am more pointing towards use + application by someone where there is no medical recommendation or cause.

 

[Valheru]

I am more pointing towards use + application by someone where there is no medical recommendation or cause.

That is a big problem, applies to recreational use also.

I have heard horror stories of 20 year olds having screwed up kidneys/etc from taking roids on recommendation of coaches (Rugby seems like a big culprit).

Kidney transplant lists in this country are so long, it is most likely a death sentence.

 

[Dom]

That is a big problem, applies to recreational use also.

I have heard horror stories of 20 year olds having screwed up kidneys/etc from taking roids on recommendation of coaches (Rugby seems like a big culprit).

Kidney transplant lists in this country are so long, it is most likely a death sentence.

Same here - non-functioning bladders as well.

The criminality around the availability of where you get them from as well as the shady nature of their composition is also quite hectic.

 

[Valheru]

The criminality around the availability of where you get them from as well as the shady nature of their composition is also quite hectic.

I am sure I can get some from gym, seen more than 1 transaction at my previous gym. I don't buy the "it is vitamins" bit.

 

[pɐlΛ‾pɐq‾ƃᴉq]

Not for me thanks.

screwed up kidneys/etc from taking roids on recommendation of coaches

Very common in high school sports . Competitive parents are also to blame.

I mean sure it would be cool to be fris chris i guess. But at what cost? Purple skin? Tiny raisins?Become a short fused semi abusive partner? Not fun at parties because wants to moer everyone. I have never understood such extreme bodybuilding... I believe it is very similar to woman being addicted to plastic surgery and botox etc.. I do however get powerlifting. << the real stronk ouens .

 

[Byakugan]

I have considering taking dianabol for a while now. No matter how hard I train, how I eat, regardless of the personal trainer etc I never seem to get any proper definition going on besides some arm definition. And if I stop exercising I loose weight and get skinny again. And frankly I got tired of constantly working hard at it and looking literally the same while I see other gaining like there is no tomorrow.

Even started setting goals like such as being able to do a 15km run, then bigger etc. And in todays society your looks are vastly more important than who or what u are. But I have always been worried about the health side affects.

 

[pɐlΛ‾pɐq‾ƃᴉq]

I am sure I can get some from gym, seen more than 1 transaction at my previous gym. I don't buy the "it is vitamins" bit.

EZ, Any gym. Speak to a personal dealer trainer.

 

[ThatGuyJD]

Did some SARMS research at a stage has been awhile as I've regressed from where they'd provide benefits. Was seriously considering them as an aid purely for recreational/personal purposes.

There were some concerns I had but feel like with knowledge and appropriate preparation I would have come out okay.

Would I suggest it for anybody? Absolutely not, would I recommend learning about what it can do and can't do for you and then going about making your own choice, hell yeah. Do what you feel to your body, this literally won't affect other people.

Also most dudes can do with some extra test, doctors really should be prescribing that more often and ordering blood tests for dudes to make sure it's at high enough levels.

 

[pɐlΛ‾pɐq‾ƃᴉq]

I have considering taking dianabol for a while now. No matter how hard I train, how I eat, regardless of the personal trainer etc I never seem to get any proper definition going on besides some arm definition. And if I stop exercising I loose weight and get skinny again. And frankly I got tired of constantly working hard at it and looking literally the same while I see other gaining like there is no tomorrow.

Even started setting goals like such as being able to do a 15km run, then bigger etc. And in todays society your looks are vastly more important than who or what u are. But I have always been worried about the health side affects.

The problem it would seem is your motivation for working out. Do you want to look pretty? Or do you want to be strong. IMO if you are skinnier today than a month ago, but stronger. actually stronger then does it really matter if you don't have john cena arms?

 

[ReFresHZA]

I have done both 10mg and 25mg Anavar. Must say personal experience. I also used a PCT just to make 100% sure I was okay. Was that it worked a real treat with minimum side effects. For me anyway.

 

[Dom]

I am sure I can get some from gym, seen more than 1 transaction at my previous gym. I don't buy the "it is vitamins" bit.

Exactly - more likely to trust Zuma than anything I am told (or written) on packaging.

It still mystifies me that so many people are strict with their eating, macro's, micro's (as well as other things) but effectively put in an unknown substance in their body.

 

[pseudomeaningful]

My formal education is in biochemistry and Pharmacology and I personally have experience using PED's for a shoulder injury from rugby. I never played again but it allowed me to regain the usage of my right shoulder.

It was the last option on a long list of treatments and because of my medical background, I did laboratory tests before and after. Even doing it the correct medical way with all supporting meds, the recovery was extremely mentally taxing.

I know of way too many people that just buy some pills wanting to get big as well as people for a pretty prestigious high school that were approached by coaching staff encouraging them to use steroids to make the team. These are teenagers whose bodies have not stopped growing but will once they end their steroid usage.

There seems to be this fallacy that steroids arent bad for you, and sure, if you're mid-twenties and spend more on the stuff to keep your body working during and after and get blood tests done, you more than likely will be fine. That said the mental side effects of these compounds relating to anger and judgment are a real thing and if you do not understand that It can lead to violence.

Steroids are endemic In South Africa, There is a guy who just wrote a book on the subject who I can't remember right now

 

[Dom]

Not for me thanks.


Very common in high school sports . Competitive parents are also to blame.

I mean sure it would be cool to be fris chris i guess. But at what cost? Purple skin? Tiny raisins?Become a short fused semi abusive partner? Not fun at parties because wants to moer everyone. I have never understood such extreme bodybuilding... I believe it is very similar to woman being addicted to plastic surgery and botox etc.. I do however get powerlifting. << the real stronk ouens .

Agreed - natural power lifters are impressive as fuck.

 

[Dom]

Did some SARMS research at a stage has been awhile as I've regressed from where they'd provide benefits. Was seriously considering them as an aid purely for recreational/personal purposes.

There were some concerns I had but feel like with knowledge and appropriate preparation I would have come out okay.

Would I suggest it for anybody? Absolutely not, would I recommend learning about what it can do and can't do for you and then going about making your own choice, hell yeah. Do what you feel to your body, this literally won't affect other people.

Also most dudes can do with some extra test, doctors really should be prescribing that more often and ordering blood tests for dudes to make sure it's at high enough levels.

Yeah, it is not as simple as taking it - there are so many internal + external factors that come into play (taking more because you aren't getting the gains is never an option).

I won't lie - I see the only supplements that people need for gym is whey + creatine (if that). The rest if mostly overpriced rubbish.

 

[Scrooloose]

Being alive is one thing, having good health whilst being alive is a different thing altogether.

I don't want to be a decrepit 70 year old, I want to be healthy. It is because of this that I will not, nor have I ever, consider the use of these "helping hands".

In any case, what's the point of being so huge? What, to impress the chicks? And then what, after you've blown your load and they leave, you just have to go on the prowl for another?

Is it to impress other dudes in the gym? A pissing context. Sounds like ego is the driver in this instance.

Sounds like an exercise in futility instead of an exercise to keep the body healthy.

It's an empty existence. No thanks.

 

[Dom]

My formal education is in biochemistry and Pharmacology and I personally have experience using PED's for a shoulder injury from rugby. I never played again but it allowed me to regain the usage of my right shoulder.

It was the last option on a long list of treatments and because of my medical background, I did laboratory tests before and after. Even doing it the correct medical way with all supporting meds, the recovery was extremely mentally taxing.

I know of way too many people that just buy some pills wanting to get big as well as people for a pretty prestigious high school that were approached by coaching staff encouraging them to use steroids to make the team. These are teenagers whose bodies have not stopped growing but will once they end their steroid usage.

There seems to be this fallacy that steroids arent bad for you, and sure, if you're mid-twenties and spend more on the stuff to keep your body working during and after and get blood tests done, you more than likely will be fine. That said the mental side effects of these compounds relating to anger and judgment are a real thing and if you do not understand that It can lead to violence.

Steroids are endemic In South Africa, There is a guy who just wrote a book on the subject who I can't remember right now

It is actually scary how casually they are viewed & even more so with teenagers (short-terms gains vs long-term pains).

Think I saw an excerpt of that book in ST.

 

[Valheru]

I won't lie - I see the only supplements that people need for gym is whey + creatine (if that). The rest if mostly overpriced rubbish.

Ironically, I went with your recommendation for the pre-workout and found the RAW one without the creatine. As I train 1st thing in the morning, I can attest that it really gets the muscles loose and less crampy, while also supressing my hunger pains.

 

[Dom]

I have done both 10mg and 25mg Anavar. Must say personal experience. I also used a PCT just to make 100% sure I was okay. Was that it worked a real treat with minimum side effects. For me anyway.

Was it prescribed & what was the source of it (just interested)?

 

[Dom]

Being alive is one thing, having good health whilst being alive is a different thing altogether.

I don't want to be a decrepit 70 year old, I want to be healthy. It is because of this that I will not, nor have I ever, consider the use of these "helping hands".

In any case, what's the point of being so huge? What, to impress the chicks? And then what, after you've blown your load and they leave, you just have to go on the prowl for another?

Is it to impress other dudes in the gym? A pissing context. Sounds like ego is the driver in this instance.

Sounds like an exercise in futility instead of an exercise to keep the body healthy.

It's an empty existence. No thanks.

Really well said!

I do like my gym & can only afford to do it twice a week but just love how yuor body + muscles feel worked & used afterwards.

I am currently at 80 kgs (being 177cm) & want to get to 100 kgs eventually - this is a very long term goal but I am fine to slowly work towards it and take it step by step.

 

[Dom]

Ironically, I went with your recommendation for the pre-workout and found the RAW one without the creatine. As I train 1st thing in the morning, I can attest that it really gets the muscles loose and less crampy, while also supressing my hunger pains.

Oh, awesome. I am personally not a fan of pre-workout given that there are numerous brands out there that throw in who knows what.

I will admit that I do have a stigma that is driven by my small budget for supplements but also the nature of some of what goes in there & especially how certain products "disappear" from shelves after a while.

 

[pɐlΛ‾pɐq‾ƃᴉq]

Oh, awesome. I am personally not a fan of pre-workout given that there are numerous brands out there that throw in who knows what.

I will admit that I do have a stigma that is driven by my small budget for supplements but also the nature of some of what goes in there & especially how certain products "disappear" from shelves after a while.

Good breakfast, good lunch, good earphones, good music, good weed, good workout.

 

[Dom]

Good breakfast, good lunch, good earphones, good music, good weed, good workout.

Yeah, I understand that circumstances + time constraints sometimes don't allow it but build your eating plan around the gym (if you can) - otherwise be like me & just eat lots of random stuff and deal with the lifting based on this.

 

[pseudomeaningful]

@Dom A family relation of mine was sold superdrol at 17/18 as "not a steroid" by some guy at a "supplement" store using money from his parents. He finally came to me when he had stopped taking it and his testicles had shrunk and he was putting on fat. For those of you who aren't aware superdrol is basically a drier version of dianabol that is much harder on your liver. I literally phoned both his parents and told them what really was happening and that he needed to go on a PCT course which he eventually did. Has he ever been that big again? No, but the rest of his body is functioning at least.

 

[Byakugan]

The problem it would seem is your motivation for working out. Do you want to look pretty? Or do you want to be strong. IMO if you are skinnier today than a month ago, but stronger. actually stronger then does it really matter if you don't have john cena arms?

yes and no. I am getting stronger, but physical appearance would also help a lot. Ppl take you more seriously, no one says hey check that strong guy out. Ppl say hey check that big guy out and that gets associated with positive. While saying hey check that skinny guy out gets associated with negative.

I see it in the work place too. Lately my mind has just been clouded with thoughts of just being the average oak living an average mind and I have been pushing to be something more meaningful. Plus I am sure my fiance would like some big arms, v line etc to hold onto.

 

[ReFresHZA]

Was it prescribed & what was the source of it (just interested)?

No, was definitely not prescribed. Got it from a trustworthy source. Whatever that might mean. So in all essence I took a gamble but I did a lot of research before taking it. Still don't recommend anyone doing so. Rather speak to a doctor.

 

[thePridge]

This is a MOERSE subject. I know of other WHOLE forums dedicated to this.

It CAN be done with "minimal" health effects... There are always dangers with things like this.
And, as mentioned above, you can't just pop a pilletjie or twee and grow and think that was the safest/healthiest way.

If you ARE going to klap roids you need to
1. Do kak baie research boet, and then more research
2. Get bloodwork done before, during and after to make sure your body isn't taking more strain than is needed (taking substances arguably places more strain on your body than is needed)
3. Eat a LOT (yes you can stuff McD's in your bek and grow but you'll put on more fat than with a proper diet and this is ALSO bad) and eat properly.
4. Do PROPER PCT.

It's still not a great idea... Many peeps that klap roids end up depressed afterwards because you can exceed your natural limits and will eventually settle back at your natural limits when you come off of whatever you were on... So then you have to go again and again and again...

 

[ThatGuyJD]

Many peeps that klap roids end up depressed afterwards because you can exceed your natural limits and will eventually settle back at your natural limits when you come off of whatever you were on...

Also some of the side effects are straight up depression and mood dysregulation so it doesn't even just settle into this cycle it it's just there.

 

[Dom]

yes and no. I am getting stronger, but physical appearance would also help a lot. Ppl take you more seriously, no one says hey check that strong guy out. Ppl say hey check that big guy out and that gets associated with positive. While saying hey check that skinny guy out gets associated with negative.

I see it in the work place too. Lately my mind has just been clouded with thoughts of just being the average oak living an average mind and I have been pushing to be something more meaningful. Plus I am sure my fiance would like some big arms, v line etc to hold onto.

I do hear you - body image is also a big factor & even more so when combined with internal + external esteem.

I do struggle with this & want to improve on all of these but will undoubtedly not look to anything more than what I use to do so (diet is my issue).