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OMG what a race ! Dam a real season opener not going to lie that was a brilliant race. Covid making F1 better ?! Mclaren/ Force India bladdy fast
 
What a flippen race! Every time just as I thought the action was over something new happened. Epic season opener, let’s hope next weekend is just as good. Same track againo_O
 
Awesome first race. Car failures and safety cars made it what it was. +- 30 laps of boring in the middle and came on fire at the end. Well done to Lando awesome drive.
 
Man i really thought this was going to be a another 2014/15/16 season where the mercs just run Off with the race victory but boy was i wrong. Real testament to what can occur when you have so little running/ Testing of the car. Really disappointed with Ham with that move was the second against Albon where Albon was again robbed of a podium. A blady fast final lap from Norris to pull within 5 seconds of Ham to get his first Podium... And it being the same track next week i hope it as Entertaining. Hopefully less retirements though. 11 Only finished 🙈 👀 🤣
 
Videos got posted on twitter showing Vettels onboard, car is crazy unstable! He himself said he was happy to only spin once.
 
Videos got posted on twitter showing Vettels onboard, car is crazy unstable! He himself said he was happy to only spin once.
Interesting that LeClerc didn't have this issue or was able to drive around it, or is it now a skill/contract/unhappy SEB issue?
Also, his late move on Sainz that was his own fault that the car spun there.

Upgrades apparently arriving this week for Ferrari.

Well done to Bottas, but most of all Lando, what a great last lap!
 
So happy for Norris and well done to bottas keeping that merc going, saftey laps saved mercedes for sure
 
Lewis is a chop, he should have been docked as many seconds as Albon lost. Really tired of Lewis, I hope he never makes it onto the podium again in his career. He completely doesn't deserve to be driving that car. Put him in a Renault or something, let's see how good he really is.
 
All the hate for Lewis. He didn't really have anywhere to go, if you watch the steering wheel, he's full lock through the entire corner.

I really feel for Albon and agree Lewis deserved a penalty, but it wasn't a malicious action, he didn't go out of his way to take Albon out.
 
Videos got posted on twitter showing Vettels onboard, car is crazy unstable! He himself said he was happy to only spin once.

I saw that too. That car looks absolutely horrible to drive. Reminds me of Alonso's F14T :

And we all know Vettel hates an unbalanced unpredictable car like in 2014, so I think he'll really struggle this year and retire at the end of it.
 
All the hate for Lewis. He didn't really have anywhere to go, if you watch the steering wheel, he's full lock through the entire corner.

I really feel for Albon and agree Lewis deserved a penalty, but it wasn't a malicious action, he didn't go out of his way to take Albon out.

It's that fine subtle line that Lewis plays, starts the turn just as late as he could get away with. It's what the "great" drivers all did even Michael. Bring back Nico Rosberg, no there is a truly great person, he had so much to overcome and he did it, then he got out... probably so he didn't have to endure Lewis's subtle crap anymore. I just don't like his attitude. Big ups to his off the circuit anti -racism endeavours, but around the track he's an ass from what I've seen watching highlights (don't watch Sunday races). But hey maybe that's just what it takes to be "successful" in this sport?
 
It's that fine subtle line that Lewis plays, starts the turn just as late as he could get away with. It's what the "great" drivers all did even Michael. Bring back Nico Rosberg, no there is a truly great person, he had so much to overcome and he did it, then he got out... probably so he didn't have to endure Lewis's subtle crap anymore. I just don't like his attitude. Big ups to his off the circuit anti -racism endeavours, but around the track he's an ass from what I've seen watching highlights (don't watch Sunday races). But hey maybe that's just what it takes to be "successful" in this sport?
Perhaps you should watch Sunday races and not people's opinions so you can form your own opinion instead of someone else's?

Look, he plays rough on track, he holds his line and doesn't back off. That's what a champion does. He doesn't push people off the track if there;s a danger to it and he doesn't Maldonado people. The same can be said for Max and Charles, even Danny Ric.
 
Perhaps you should watch Sunday races and not people's opinions so you can form your own opinion instead of someone else's?

Look, he plays rough on track, he holds his line and doesn't back off. That's what a champion does. He doesn't push people off the track if there;s a danger to it and he doesn't Maldonado people. The same can be said for Max and Charles, even Danny Ric.

Now you're making assumptions, I don't watch the races because it is a Sunday I choose to spend it with my family rather, used to always watch the Shumi era races with my dad and wish we could have spent the time differently. I am perfectly capable of doing my own research to form my opinions, I haven't even heard someone say that Lewis was in the wrong to the degree I have. This is my IMO based on the historical events.

Maldonado and subtle don't belong in the same sentence... you can't compare the two drivers. Still Maldonado's win was more impressive than anything that Lewis has done IMO. Certainly a better story, Lewis is just plain boring. Put Lewis in a Williams, let's compare apples with apples.

Well Lewis worshipper, enjoy it while it lasts... let's see Bottas beat him this year, that will be the true indicator
 
Super stoked for Lando, well deserved. Seeing his stuff on twitch these last few month's I think he's a phenomenal driver.

Fortunately for Vettal the Ferrari's handling issues won’t be his problem for too much longer... lol, too soon? :)

The thing with Hamilton, I agree with @rinners - Sure, the replay doesn’t show him steering into Albon, but he 100% knew exactly what he was doing and it was crazy reminiscant of Schumachers shenanigan's... That said, had I been in that situation, I likely would have done the same.
 
Now you're making assumptions, I don't watch the races because it is a Sunday I choose to spend it with my family rather, used to always watch the Shumi era races with my dad and wish we could have spent the time differently. I am perfectly capable of doing my own research to form my opinions, I haven't even heard someone say that Lewis was the wrong to the degree I have. This is my IMO based on the historical events.

Maldonado and subtle don't belong in the same sentence... you can't compare the two drivers. Still Maldonado's win was more impressive than anything that Lewis has done IMO. Certainly a better story, Lewis is just plain boring. Put Lewis in a Williams, let's compare apples with apples.

Well Lewis worshipper, enjoy it while it lasts... let's see Bottas beat him this year, that will be the true indicator
Just went with what you said.

Not a Hamilton worshipper by any means, but you can't deny the skill that he has, both in just driving very quickly, but also his racecraft, ability to preserve tyres etc. He is a 6-time champ for a reason.

I think he has the pace to beat Bottas, but very glad to see Bottas doing as well as he is.

Can't put Lewis in a Williams and expect anything, it's the slowest car on track by a fair margin. I do reckon he'd still beat Russell and Latifi, but that's in large part due to his experience as a driver.

I would love to see the current F1 grid in matching cars a la Formula 2.
 
You sure about that :LOL:

Because this

Looks awfully similar to this
You're talking about a guy who has been racing F1 for 13 years, of course there will be things :D

I'm not saying he is perfect, far from it. Just saying he isn't the Torpedo, Grosjean, Maldonado or any of the other "enthusiastic" overtakers.
 
I think he has the pace to beat Bottas, but very glad to see Bottas doing as well as he is.

He does, definitely, but I think complacency and distraction are going to be his undoing.

Can't put Lewis in a Williams and expect anything, it's the slowest car on track by a fair margin. I do reckon he'd still beat Russell and Latifi, but that's in large part due to his experience as a driver.

I think it would be more even than you think. Lewis is getting old now, don't forget, it's really just the car keeping him up front.

I'd love to see Russell get Lewis's Merc seat... that would be a great team. Don't under estimate Russell's ability there's talent there too and don't forget Bottas came from Williams as well, because he was doing well in a janky car.

Not a Hamilton worshipper by any means, but you can't deny the skill that he has, both in just driving very quickly, but also his racecraft, ability to preserve tyres etc. He is a 6-time champ for a reason.

The reason is... he landed with his bum in the butter, got the drive with Merc just as the right time, otherwise he could have just has easily ended up with a career that looked more like Raikkonen's.

The difference between driver's like Rosberg, Bottas, Raikkonen and Hakkinen is they all had to work hard for their results, certainly harder than Lewis and Michael. Sure the champs' talent was "greater" but their personal characters are what I question. I'd rather loose after knowing I worked my hardest than having everything land in my lap. Excuse the pun.

This is what it looks like for hard work to pay off: (ever seen Lewis that high?)

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@UrBaN and @rinners, can we agree that for this situation, there isn't a clear cut argument, and arguing over a point where the decision has already been made by the stewards is not adding anything beneficial to this conversation?

Yes, both parties were at fault, Alex for being optimistic and I don't blame him, Hamilton for just turning in a little late, seems fair to place equal blame on both, and for Alex it's valuable experience.
I'm not partial to either side, as I support Ferrari so.
 
Yea he's getting old, but with that comes a ton of experience. Not sure Russell is there yet. He is fantastically good, it's just difficult to say because we haven't see him in a good car yet. I do hope he gets a seat at a big team, Merc would be ideal.

I disagree Hamilton landed with his butt in the butter. He did get a good sign at a good team, but they'd been supporting him since he was a kid. he earned his way there by being excellent.

Also do not forget to factor in driver involvement in developing the car - driver feedback is a large part of car development. Possibly less so now, with all the sensors and telemetry and whatnot, but it makes a huge difference and he is good at that.

Either way, the grid is full of potential. Russell, Norris, Latifi and Ocon are all excellent and young talent that have bright futures. Mag, Grosjean and Stroll don't deserve to be there. Raikonnen and Vettel need to retire, make space for fresh talent.
 
@UrBaN and @rinners, can we agree that for this situation, there isn't a clear cut argument, and arguing over a point where the decision has already been made by the stewards is not adding anything beneficial to this conversation?

Yes, both parties were at fault, Alex for being optimistic and I don't blame him, Hamilton for just turning in a little late, seems fair to place equal blame on both, and for Alex it's valuable experience.
I'm not partial to either side, as I support Ferrari so.
I don't think we're arguing so much as debating. I certainly don't feel like arguing, just sharing differing points of view.

The Albon situation is just a really tough break for him. He deserved that podium and possibly a win if he could catch Bottas, which I think he could have.
 
Personally, I think Hamilton is a lot like Richie McCaw w.r.t. rules.
He is good enough that most of the time he won't be caught and his actions will be seen as "part of the sport" and not malicious.
Doing tiny illegal things that aren't noticeable, but get you just a little bit ahead.

Hamilton does have a loooot of skill though, I would like to see how well he does in another car.
 
Anyone knowing anything about F1 will know Queen Hamilton has always been treated differently than the rest when it comes to penalties.
F1 really dont want the race card to be played by the drama queen
 
I disagree Hamilton landed with his butt in the butter. He did get a good sign at a good team, but they'd been supporting him since he was a kid. he earned his way there by being excellent.

Back when we has "driven" by being the minority and not wanting to let people down. What happened to the Lewis that had his father as a manager?

If he hadn't been a little kid about McLaren and made the move exactly when he did he could have ended up with all the other hopes and dreams that went to Ferrari to die.

Ok admittedly this needs more research, so don't quote me here, but from what I've seen this is how it appeared to go down.


Also do not forget to factor in driver involvement in developing the car - driver feedback is a large part of car development. Possibly less so now, with all the sensors and telemetry and whatnot, but it makes a huge difference and he is good at that.

Maybe in Michael's day. I've heard Shumi was very involved in development, especially driver safety. Maybe it was so he could ram the other cars with a clearer conscience? :p But these days with German engineering paid specifically to produce the best car, I can't see it being much more than, "how was this change Lewis? Good/bad, ok let's try something else."

@UrBaN and @rinners, can we agree that for this situation, there isn't a clear cut argument, and arguing over a point where the decision has already been made by the stewards is not adding anything beneficial to this conversation?

Yes, both parties were at fault, Alex for being optimistic and I don't blame him, Hamilton for just turning in a little late, seems fair to place equal blame on both, and for Alex it's valuable experience.
I'm not partial to either side, as I support Ferrari so.

Sorry this is a F1 thread right?

And you think the Stewards always get things right? They have been historically steeped in controversy, favouring certain teams and drivers.


How do they arrive at the 5s prenalty? I guess there is a rule written down somewhere, but Albon lost a lot more than 5s, so in my books they don't equate. The only justice is taking his podium. Stoked for the muppet.

Not a Hamilton worshipper by any means, but you can't deny the skill that he has, both in just driving very quickly, but also his racecraft, ability to preserve tyres etc. He is a 6-time champ for a reason.

Also I know that tyre management is a thing in racing, but wow is that a boring thing to have to spectate, may as well watch different colour paints dry to see who wins. They can easily make tyres that last the whole race, but they don't because they need ways to keep things "interesting". F1 need more innovations like the DRS to keep the overtakes and racing interesting.

Until there is more action per lap in F1 I am quite content to watch the highlights to keep up to speed. Excuse the pun.
 

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