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Any recommendations for seamless support out of the box for AM5 motherboards compatibility with DDR5 6000Mhz+ and higher timings?

Also weighing the difference between online reviews for different brands MSI, Asus and Asrock in terms of longevity and troubleshooting.

Any recommendations from current AM5 owners and any issues they have encountered?
 
I'm using a Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX and haven't had a single issue. Probably need to establish what you're looking for in terms of features - that will inform your decision. B650 might be fine, possibly you'll need X670. You'll have to check what your requirements are.

I think most people should be fine on B650.
 
I'm happy with the Asus rog strix X670e-e, also using 6000MHz with CL30. I received the motherboard, performed a BIOS update, enabled EXPO, and disabled onboard sound.

Been smooth sailing so far - touch wood.

Regarding brands, I think Asus was under scrutiny for having burn-in issues on the X3D CPU's, but this is why the BIOS update was so important.
 
I'm happy with the Asus rog strix X670e-e, also using 6000MHz with CL30. I received the motherboard, performed a BIOS update, enabled EXPO, and disabled onboard sound.

Been smooth sailing so far - touch wood.

Regarding brands, I think Asus was under scrutiny for having burn-in issues on the X3D CPU's, but this is why the BIOS update was so important.
Thanks! I was wondering which CPU cooler are you using as well? With regards to DDR5 RAM are you using GSkill?
 
Thanks! I was wondering which CPU cooler are you using as well? With regards to DDR5 RAM are you using GSkill?
I'm using a DeepCool AK-620 - works really well.

Using G-Skill Flare X DDR5-6000, works perfectly.
 
I'm using a Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX and haven't had a single issue. Probably need to establish what you're looking for in terms of features - that will inform your decision. B650 might be fine, possibly you'll need X670. You'll have to check what your requirements are.

I think most people should be fine on B650.
Pretty much the only AM5 board I recommend these days. It's the best of the B650s, and maybe 1% of people need B650E / X670 / X670E.

 
Pretty much the only AM5 board I recommend these days. It's the best of the B650s, and maybe 1% of people need B650E / X670 / X670E.

The PCIE 5.0 lane difference is the primary attribute I am taking into consideration at the moment. To fully utilise GPU performance. DDR5 higher MHz performance is erratic at the moment on all AM5 motherboards. 7800x3d runs more power efficient than intel 14900k and less heat. X690E motherboards are more future proof while B650 does have DDR5, it only has PCIE4 GPU suport at the moment.

I have had Gigabyte motherboards and gpus' in the past and each had an issue with them, the motherboard transistors started to leak at one stage and the gpu fan had coil whine noise. Asus and Asrock AMD motherboards have worked well for me for many years.
 
The PCIE 5.0 lane difference is the primary attribute I am taking into consideration at the moment. To fully utilise GPU performance. DDR5 higher MHz performance is erratic at the moment on all AM5 motherboards. 7800x3d runs more power efficient than intel 14900k and less heat. X690E motherboards are more future proof while B650 does have DDR5, it only has PCIE4 GPU suport at the moment.

I have had Gigabyte motherboards and gpus' in the past and each had an issue with them, the motherboard transistors started to leak at one stage and the gpu fan had coil whine noise. Asus and Asrock AMD motherboards have worked well for me for many years.
Even the 4090 barely maxes out PCIe 3.0 Nevermind 4.0.


It'll be a long time before any GPU fully saturates PCIe 4.0. So by the time you need 5.0 you'll probably be buying another motherboard anyway.
 
Even the 4090 barely maxes out PCIe 3.0 Nevermind 4.0.


It'll be a long time before any GPU fully saturates PCIe 4.0. So by the time you need 5.0 you'll probably be buying another motherboard anyway.
Thanks definitely valuable points. Considering in parallel the difference between PCIE5 NVME drives to PCIE 3 or 4 there isn't much difference in game performance load times
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The PCIE 5.0 lane difference is the primary attribute I am taking into consideration at the moment. To fully utilise GPU performance. DDR5 higher MHz performance is erratic at the moment on all AM5 motherboards. 7800x3d runs more power efficient than intel 14900k and less heat. X690E motherboards are more future proof while B650 does have DDR5, it only has PCIE4 GPU suport at the moment.

I have had Gigabyte motherboards and gpus' in the past and each had an issue with them, the motherboard transistors started to leak at one stage and the gpu fan had coil whine noise. Asus and Asrock AMD motherboards have worked well for me for many years.
You don’t need pci-e 5.0

Really. Makes no difference.

Focus on other features like a PCB with more layers.
 
The PCIE 5.0 lane difference is the primary attribute I am taking into consideration at the moment. To fully utilise GPU performance.
PCIe 5.0 for what, though? It won't be used by 99% of people buying a board, maybe more. The fastest cards on the market are PCIe 4.0 and have more bandwidth available than they could ever need. By the time PCIe 5.0 becomes a REQUIREMENT to get the most out of a card, the platform is so outdated it can hardly run Office.

DDR5 higher MHz performance is erratic at the moment on all AM5 motherboards.
DDR5 is amazing on AMD with AGESA 1.0.0.7 or newer. I've had no issue consistently passing 6800 MT/s and even 7000+ MT/s on the Gaming X AX.

7800x3d runs more power efficient than intel 14900k and less heat.
Not sure what that has to do with B650 vs B650E, X670, or X670E?

I have had Gigabyte motherboards and gpus' in the past and each had an issue with them, the motherboard transistors started to leak at one stage and the gpu fan had coil whine noise. Asus and Asrock AMD motherboards have worked well for me for many years.
I'll bet my left nut's pubes you last had a Gigabyte board eons ago. Gigabyte has become the best value for money at almost any price point, and certainly the most reliable. Stability is also second to none. Asus is currently in the lead for highest RMA rates between Gigabyte, MSI And Asus. Hell, Asus QC as a whole has gone down the drain lately (bent Apex boards from the factory, etc).
 
@Ojo and @JollyJamma late to the party and missed entire context. Not going to explain things about reasons for RAM or CPU. No thanks just look at the comment section on the video you sent about Gigabyte. Enough said. They are terrible.
 
@Ojo and @JollyJamma late to the party and missed entire context. Not going to explain things about reasons for RAM or CPU. No thanks just look at the comment section on the video you sent about Gigabyte. Enough said. They are terrible.
Let's go through your post.

Any recommendations for seamless support out of the box for AM5 motherboards compatibility with DDR5 6000Mhz+ and higher timings?
There are many - most, in fact. We can knock B650E, X670, and X670E off the list as they don't offer BETTER support, but rather a lot of things that 99% of users will never need and at a far higher cost.

ChipsetLowHighMedian
B650R 3,258R 7,908R 5,583
B650ER 8,432R 9,537R 8,895
X670R 6,399R 7,244R 6,822
X670ER 8,072R 11,622R 9,847

Great, let's see which features you gain by moving up the chipset SKU stack:

ChipsetGPU PCIeNVMe PCIePCIe LanesOf which X are PCIe 5.0OverclockingMax USB 3.2 Gen2Max USB 3.2 Gen2x2SATA Ports
B650PCIe 4.0PCIe 4.0360Yes614
B650EPCIe 5.0PCIe 5.03620Yes614
X670PCIe 4.0PCIe 5.0444Yes1228
X670EPCIe 5.0PCIe 5.04420Yes1228

Let's address each of those systematically.

  • PCIe 5.0 for GPU: Irrelevant during the life of the platform and many years to come. As shown, PCIe 3.0 is almost sufficient for an RTX 4090
  • PCIe 5.0 for NVMe: You yourself have admitted there's no performance benefit (there is, but in edge cases)
  • PCIe Lanes: How many add-in cards and expansion devices does the average person use? Not many
  • PCIe 5.0 Lanes: Basically covered in the first two points
  • Overclocking: Supported all-round
  • USB 10Gb/s Ports: The average person can probably do with 1-2. Most USB devices used are peripherals, which only need USB 1.1. Webcams will be fine with USB 2.0. Even streaming capture devices will be fine with USB 3.2 Gen1 (5Gb/s). External SSDs are about the only thing the average person will own that will need higher speeds, and how many do you use at a time?
  • USB 20Gb/s Ports: Even less use. Maybe an external NVMe SSD?
  • SATA Ports: I can't recall the last time I saw someone with more than 2-3 SATA drives

Now onto the biggest thing that isn't addressed in the table above. Support for 4-5 M.2 SSDs. How many people run that?

I think we've established that B650 offers everything that 99% of people will ever need, AND MORE.

The big thing now is going to be whittling down the list to a specific B650 board, so that you're not overpaying, while ticking all the boxes you want.

Also weighing the difference between online reviews for different brands MSI, Asus and Asrock in terms of longevity
If you want long-term reliability, knock Asus off the list. Their failure rates aren't unacceptable (but worse than MSI and Gigabyte, but when they fail, they do so spectacularly.

and troubleshooting.
If you want support, Asus and Gigabyte are the way to go. MSI's support is leagues behind the rest.

Any recommendations from current AM5 owners and any issues they have encountered?
I can one-up that. Instead of giving stats based on owning a single board, I can give stats based on feedback from selling 100s of boards. Asus takes the lead with the lead (or tail-end, depending on how you look at it) with the X670E-F having the most issues, from struggling to get RAM to POST at any speed all the way to USB ports "disconnecting." That board had a near 100% issue (not failure) rate. I get PTSD just thinking about it.

The three that having given the lowest number of issues are the TUF B650M-PLUS WIFI, the Prime B650-PLUS, and the Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX (NOT!!! the MATX version, which is crap). Of the three that have given the least number of ISSUES, the Gigabyte has had the lowest FAILURE rate.

Does it tick the boxes you want?

  • DDR5-6000 and above with tight timings? Check (and far more, 7000+ is easy if your RAM can do it)
  • Longevity? Check, the features it lacks are features that won't really be handy until long after the platform has expired
  • Troubleshooting? Check, it has onboard LEDs as well as Q-Flash Plus (GBT's version of BIOS FlashBack). Support extends further, @Ageless_ZA was being driven crazy by an orange LED in the middle of his board that couldn't be turned off. I gave this feedback to GBT, got told "Lemme see what I can do," and not long after a BIOS update was released with the option to turn off the LED.

Are they going to implement every single BIOS feature everyone mentions? I guarantee they won't, but if it's something which is a good idea/something that was overlooked, yes, I'm sure they will.

Furthermore on support, there was a BIOS vulnerability last year which affected +/- 300 SKUs, and which every major tech site covered. What none mentioned was that Gigabyte had released BIOS updates for nearly 90% of the boards before the vulnerability even hit the news.

Let's look at decent B650E, X670, and X670E motherboards. I'm sure we don't want something that is merely equal to or worse in any way than the board in question, so we can ignore eg the Asus Prime and MSI Pro series of boards, which are low on features, and bells and whistles.

  • B650E: The only ATX choice is the Aorus Master at R 9,357. It's "ok" - nothing inherently wrong with it, but the price is hard to swallow
  • X670: There's really only the Gaming X AX (memory support is not as good as the B650 version) and Aorus Elite AX (again, the price is hard to swallow) which doesn't have anything inherently wrong other than a marginally higher failure rate. My biggest gripe is that lower Aorus (namely, Aorus Elite) boards keep getting downgraded as new revisions come out.
  • X670E: Stupid money for a board. None of the available options are bad, but do you really want to spend R 8k to R 11.6k for a board?

At this stage, no disti is bringing in B650E or X670E boards again, be it Asus, MSI, or Gigabyte, as sales were dismal. This compounds the support problem, as an RMA won't result in you getting the same board - you'll get a lesser board and/or credit. We're down to B650 non-E and X670 non-E, and B650 has the better board.

I think that's the most comprehensive, all-encompassing answer I can possible give you :)
 
Let's go through your post.


There are many - most, in fact. We can knock B650E, X670, and X670E off the list as they don't offer BETTER support, but rather a lot of things that 99% of users will never need and at a far higher cost.

ChipsetLowHighMedian
B650R 3,258R 7,908R 5,583
B650ER 8,432R 9,537R 8,895
X670R 6,399R 7,244R 6,822
X670ER 8,072R 11,622R 9,847

Great, let's see which features you gain by moving up the chipset SKU stack:

ChipsetGPU PCIeNVMe PCIePCIe LanesOf which X are PCIe 5.0OverclockingMax USB 3.2 Gen2Max USB 3.2 Gen2x2SATA Ports
B650PCIe 4.0PCIe 4.0360Yes614
B650EPCIe 5.0PCIe 5.03620Yes614
X670PCIe 4.0PCIe 5.0444Yes1228
X670EPCIe 5.0PCIe 5.04420Yes1228

Let's address each of those systematically.

  • PCIe 5.0 for GPU: Irrelevant during the life of the platform and many years to come. As shown, PCIe 3.0 is almost sufficient for an RTX 4090
  • PCIe 5.0 for NVMe: You yourself have admitted there's no performance benefit (there is, but in edge cases)
  • PCIe Lanes: How many add-in cards and expansion devices does the average person use? Not many
  • PCIe 5.0 Lanes: Basically covered in the first two points
  • Overclocking: Supported all-round
  • USB 10Gb/s Ports: The average person can probably do with 1-2. Most USB devices used are peripherals, which only need USB 1.1. Webcams will be fine with USB 2.0. Even streaming capture devices will be fine with USB 3.2 Gen1 (5Gb/s). External SSDs are about the only thing the average person will own that will need higher speeds, and how many do you use at a time?
  • USB 20Gb/s Ports: Even less use. Maybe an external NVMe SSD?
  • SATA Ports: I can't recall the last time I saw someone with more than 2-3 SATA drives

Now onto the biggest thing that isn't addressed in the table above. Support for 4-5 M.2 SSDs. How many people run that?

I think we've established that B650 offers everything that 99% of people will ever need, AND MORE.

The big thing now is going to be whittling down the list to a specific B650 board, so that you're not overpaying, while ticking all the boxes you want.


If you want long-term reliability, knock Asus off the list. Their failure rates aren't unacceptable (but worse than MSI and Gigabyte, but when they fail, they do so spectacularly.


If you want support, Asus and Gigabyte are the way to go. MSI's support is leagues behind the rest.


I can one-up that. Instead of giving stats based on owning a single board, I can give stats based on feedback from selling 100s of boards. Asus takes the lead with the lead (or tail-end, depending on how you look at it) with the X670E-F having the most issues, from struggling to get RAM to POST at any speed all the way to USB ports "disconnecting." That board had a near 100% issue (not failure) rate. I get PTSD just thinking about it.

The three that having given the lowest number of issues are the TUF B650M-PLUS WIFI, the Prime B650-PLUS, and the Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX (NOT!!! the MATX version, which is crap). Of the three that have given the least number of ISSUES, the Gigabyte has had the lowest FAILURE rate.

Does it tick the boxes you want?

  • DDR5-6000 and above with tight timings? Check (and far more, 7000+ is easy if your RAM can do it)
  • Longevity? Check, the features it lacks are features that won't really be handy until long after the platform has expired
  • Troubleshooting? Check, it has onboard LEDs as well as Q-Flash Plus (GBT's version of BIOS FlashBack). Support extends further, @Ageless_ZA was being driven crazy by an orange LED in the middle of his board that couldn't be turned off. I gave this feedback to GBT, got told "Lemme see what I can do," and not long after a BIOS update was released with the option to turn off the LED.

Are they going to implement every single BIOS feature everyone mentions? I guarantee they won't, but if it's something which is a good idea/something that was overlooked, yes, I'm sure they will.

Furthermore on support, there was a BIOS vulnerability last year which affected +/- 300 SKUs, and which every major tech site covered. What none mentioned was that Gigabyte had released BIOS updates for nearly 90% of the boards before the vulnerability even hit the news.

Let's look at decent B650E, X670, and X670E motherboards. I'm sure we don't want something that is merely equal to or worse in any way than the board in question, so we can ignore eg the Asus Prime and MSI Pro series of boards, which are low on features, and bells and whistles.

  • B650E: The only ATX choice is the Aorus Master at R 9,357. It's "ok" - nothing inherently wrong with it, but the price is hard to swallow
  • X670: There's really only the Gaming X AX (memory support is not as good as the B650 version) and Aorus Elite AX (again, the price is hard to swallow) which doesn't have anything inherently wrong other than a marginally higher failure rate. My biggest gripe is that lower Aorus (namely, Aorus Elite) boards keep getting downgraded as new revisions come out.
  • X670E: Stupid money for a board. None of the available options are bad, but do you really want to spend R 8k to R 11.6k for a board?

At this stage, no disti is bringing in B650E or X670E boards again, be it Asus, MSI, or Gigabyte, as sales were dismal. This compounds the support problem, as an RMA won't result in you getting the same board - you'll get a lesser board and/or credit. We're down to B650 non-E and X670 non-E, and B650 has the better board.

I think that's the most comprehensive, all-encompassing answer I can possible give you :)
how about the A620 motherboards are they any good tho
 
Let's go through your post.


There are many - most, in fact. We can knock B650E, X670, and X670E off the list as they don't offer BETTER support, but rather a lot of things that 99% of users will never need and at a far higher cost.

ChipsetLowHighMedian
B650R 3,258R 7,908R 5,583
B650ER 8,432R 9,537R 8,895
X670R 6,399R 7,244R 6,822
X670ER 8,072R 11,622R 9,847

Great, let's see which features you gain by moving up the chipset SKU stack:

ChipsetGPU PCIeNVMe PCIePCIe LanesOf which X are PCIe 5.0OverclockingMax USB 3.2 Gen2Max USB 3.2 Gen2x2SATA Ports
B650PCIe 4.0PCIe 4.0360Yes614
B650EPCIe 5.0PCIe 5.03620Yes614
X670PCIe 4.0PCIe 5.0444Yes1228
X670EPCIe 5.0PCIe 5.04420Yes1228

Let's address each of those systematically.

  • PCIe 5.0 for GPU: Irrelevant during the life of the platform and many years to come. As shown, PCIe 3.0 is almost sufficient for an RTX 4090
  • PCIe 5.0 for NVMe: You yourself have admitted there's no performance benefit (there is, but in edge cases)
  • PCIe Lanes: How many add-in cards and expansion devices does the average person use? Not many
  • PCIe 5.0 Lanes: Basically covered in the first two points
  • Overclocking: Supported all-round
  • USB 10Gb/s Ports: The average person can probably do with 1-2. Most USB devices used are peripherals, which only need USB 1.1. Webcams will be fine with USB 2.0. Even streaming capture devices will be fine with USB 3.2 Gen1 (5Gb/s). External SSDs are about the only thing the average person will own that will need higher speeds, and how many do you use at a time?
  • USB 20Gb/s Ports: Even less use. Maybe an external NVMe SSD?
  • SATA Ports: I can't recall the last time I saw someone with more than 2-3 SATA drives

Now onto the biggest thing that isn't addressed in the table above. Support for 4-5 M.2 SSDs. How many people run that?

I think we've established that B650 offers everything that 99% of people will ever need, AND MORE.

The big thing now is going to be whittling down the list to a specific B650 board, so that you're not overpaying, while ticking all the boxes you want.


If you want long-term reliability, knock Asus off the list. Their failure rates aren't unacceptable (but worse than MSI and Gigabyte, but when they fail, they do so spectacularly.


If you want support, Asus and Gigabyte are the way to go. MSI's support is leagues behind the rest.


I can one-up that. Instead of giving stats based on owning a single board, I can give stats based on feedback from selling 100s of boards. Asus takes the lead with the lead (or tail-end, depending on how you look at it) with the X670E-F having the most issues, from struggling to get RAM to POST at any speed all the way to USB ports "disconnecting." That board had a near 100% issue (not failure) rate. I get PTSD just thinking about it.

The three that having given the lowest number of issues are the TUF B650M-PLUS WIFI, the Prime B650-PLUS, and the Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX (NOT!!! the MATX version, which is crap). Of the three that have given the least number of ISSUES, the Gigabyte has had the lowest FAILURE rate.

Does it tick the boxes you want?

  • DDR5-6000 and above with tight timings? Check (and far more, 7000+ is easy if your RAM can do it)
  • Longevity? Check, the features it lacks are features that won't really be handy until long after the platform has expired
  • Troubleshooting? Check, it has onboard LEDs as well as Q-Flash Plus (GBT's version of BIOS FlashBack). Support extends further, @Ageless_ZA was being driven crazy by an orange LED in the middle of his board that couldn't be turned off. I gave this feedback to GBT, got told "Lemme see what I can do," and not long after a BIOS update was released with the option to turn off the LED.

Are they going to implement every single BIOS feature everyone mentions? I guarantee they won't, but if it's something which is a good idea/something that was overlooked, yes, I'm sure they will.

Furthermore on support, there was a BIOS vulnerability last year which affected +/- 300 SKUs, and which every major tech site covered. What none mentioned was that Gigabyte had released BIOS updates for nearly 90% of the boards before the vulnerability even hit the news.

Let's look at decent B650E, X670, and X670E motherboards. I'm sure we don't want something that is merely equal to or worse in any way than the board in question, so we can ignore eg the Asus Prime and MSI Pro series of boards, which are low on features, and bells and whistles.

  • B650E: The only ATX choice is the Aorus Master at R 9,357. It's "ok" - nothing inherently wrong with it, but the price is hard to swallow
  • X670: There's really only the Gaming X AX (memory support is not as good as the B650 version) and Aorus Elite AX (again, the price is hard to swallow) which doesn't have anything inherently wrong other than a marginally higher failure rate. My biggest gripe is that lower Aorus (namely, Aorus Elite) boards keep getting downgraded as new revisions come out.
  • X670E: Stupid money for a board. None of the available options are bad, but do you really want to spend R 8k to R 11.6k for a board?

At this stage, no disti is bringing in B650E or X670E boards again, be it Asus, MSI, or Gigabyte, as sales were dismal. This compounds the support problem, as an RMA won't result in you getting the same board - you'll get a lesser board and/or credit. We're down to B650 non-E and X670 non-E, and B650 has the better board.

I think that's the most comprehensive, all-encompassing answer I can possible give you :)



I had an X670 crosshair 16k bla bla mobo with a 7950x at launch,
sold that and went back to 5950x with crosshair 16k board bla bla,
now gone to 7800x3d with the board that the short man is pushing.


Running 7800x3d.
32gb of cl30 600mhz,
4090 tuff,
3 x m.2, boards running great.


I've been back and forth with ojo for a long time on what board to get with me going back to AM5,
I was going to shell out 20k and get the top of the line x670e again, but he forced me to buy this B650e gigabyte board (he would have made a lot more margin selling the big boy)
 
I think that's the most comprehensive, all-encompassing answer I can possible give you :)
yeah, as good as your reply was Oj0, I don't think he came here for anything other than confirmation bias.

I've had issues with Gigabyte before but I'm amenable to buying some of their better products now as companies do change.
 
how about the A620 motherboards are they any good tho
A bit too feature-poor for me to recommend. Great to pair up with a low-end CPU as an office computer, but considering the cheapest CPU with onboard graphics is the Ryzen 5 7600 at around R 5k or Ryzen 5 8500G at around R 4k, it doesn't make sense. AM4 will be a better option, or Intel. 99% of the time I'd not recommend A620 for higher-end builds as it's missing a lot of features, creature comforts and nice-to-haves that the platform offers. RAM "support" for DDR5-8000 on A620 is nothing more than a selectable option in the BIOS - an available multiplier - it doesn't make it stable.

A620 has some edge-case uses (performance takes precedence over everything else, want to game at 4K with a Ryzen 7500F and RTX 4070) but even then, Intel or even AM4 make more sense. Low-end AM5 is... Lost, for lack of a better word. Maybe rather something like a Ryzen 7700 + A620 for a CPU-intensive task on a budget. From a price perspective, it's NOT as accessible as A320 / A520 were, or even as accessible as H610 IS.

I've been back and forth with ojo for a long time on what board to get with me going back to AM5,
I was going to shell out 20k and get the top of the line x670e again, but he forced me to buy this B650e gigabyte board (he would have made a lot more margin selling the big boy)
I have many customers and even some HelloPeter / Google Reviews that will attest to the fact that I don't push the biggest numbers possible. I've saved many customers many tens of thousands by recommending changes.

Probably hundreds of thousands in fact, as I pushed quite a few gamers from eg the 7950X to 7800X3D, 5950X to 5800X3D, 12900K to 12400F and right now I'm pushing someone from 7800X3D to 5700X3D as he's a gamer, already has an AM4 motherboard, decent DDR4 RAM and an AM4 cooler but a tightish budget.

No gamer has the need for a 12900K when they're looking at an RTX 3060 and the heaviest non-gaming task they'll do is watching YouTube videos, but there's a long-standing belief that you NEED a very high end CPU to get the most of of your graphics card. Probably stemming back to the days when the previous gen's Core i3 was a dual core CPU with HyperThreading while the current Core i7 was a 6-core with HyperThreading.

When it comes to recommendations, my go-to options are always "If this was my money, what would I buy?" It's crazy easy to spend (or rather, waste) someone else's money without consequence, but that's also a very good way to make sure you're never asked for advice again.

One of the unwritten rules of Carb, is:

Don't get on the wrong side of Oj0 when he has a bone to pick and half an hour to kill.
No, not a bone to pick - but what's the point coming for recommendations, ignoring all input and closing the thread? It's not a phone call where you hang up the phone if you don't get the exact feedback you wanted; it's an open discussion available to tens of thousands of Carb members.

The thread was closed because it wasn't going the way OP had hoped, and re-opened as there was still a lot of RELEVANT info to add. It's not a private discussion. The thread will be viewed by hundreds if not thousands of people. The thread isn't in Smack Talk, so it's indexed by Google. If someone is crawling Google looking for advice, what's the point of finding a thread that's closed seemingly without reason and with very little input?
 
The thread was closed because it wasn't going the way OP had hoped, and re-opened as there was still a lot of RELEVANT info to add. It's not a private discussion. The thread will be viewed by hundreds if not thousands of people. The thread isn't in Smack Talk, so it's indexed by Google. If someone is crawling Google looking for advice, what's the point of finding a thread that's closed seemingly without reason and with very little input?
Yeah, nothing as bad as finding a support thread somewhere where someone asks the EXACT question you have, but the thread is closed and the last reply is literally just "nevermind, figured it out."
 
Yeah, nothing as bad as finding a support thread somewhere where someone asks the EXACT question you have, but the thread is closed and the last reply is literally just "nevermind, figured it out."
You find the thread, it's closed. You create a new thread, figure it out, close it. The next 5 people do the same. Person 8 does the same, but posts the solution. Person 9 does the same without seeing Person 8's thread, as the first 5 he checked didn't have the answer. The cycle continues. The solution is never seen because the thread with the solution is buried between the others.

I've seen some forums that handle it in a very nice way. Threads are NEVER closed, but if you're replying to a thread that's more than 2 (or maybe 5) years old, a warning pops up that the thread has been inactive for years and to confirm that you want to post in it, along with a suggestion that due to the thread being dead it's possibly a better idea to start a new one.
 
“You will get good advice wether you like it or not” lol

Agreed that there are so many examples where we all need answers to an issue or question we are having in tech and someone just posts “found the answer, closing” without detailing the solution.

That being said, I’m all up for selling someone something they are dead set on buying regardless of if it’s a good idea when said person is too wealthy for their own good and an idiot.

Some people just want to spend the money because it makes them happy.
 
The thread was closed because it wasn't going the way OP had hoped, and re-opened as there was still a lot of RELEVANT info to add. It's not a private discussion. The thread will be viewed by hundreds if not thousands of people. The thread isn't in Smack Talk, so it's indexed by Google. If someone is crawling Google looking for advice
And that person was me, who has just spent the entire evening putting a 7800x3d build together for what feels like the hundredth time. Would you rate the Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE-AX as good or better than the Gaming X AX , the AORUS ELITE has more USB ports and seemingly better VRM's amongst other things for a slight price bump.

Also not related to motherboards directly but I'm going to be naughty and ask while I'm at it , in your experience how well does the AK620 clear Trident Z5 Neo RGB RAM , on paper it seems like it wont by 1mm or so without lifting the fan but I have managed to find some Images and posts where it looks like it does clear without needing to do that.

Also I'm curious, since I have been keeping an eye on motherboard stock for a while, it really does seem like its drying up, I would guess either due to import chaos or "tinfoil hat on" suppliers maybe wanting to get rid of stock for the new boards that will arrive with the AMD CPUs later this year.
 
Some people just want to spend the money because it makes them happy.

Retail therapy is real.

Also not related to motherboards directly but I'm going to be naughty and ask while I'm at it , in your experience how well does the AK620 clear Trident Z5 Neo RGB RAM , on paper it seems like it wont by 1mm or so without lifting the fan but I have managed to find some Images and posts where it looks like it does clear without needing to do that.

Those are design tolerances, at 1mm it can go either way and that includes adding up the very small height differences in the cooler brackets, ram height, dimm socket, etc.
 
Which processor would you recommend to the person with a RTX 3060 who only uses his computer for youtube and MS Office (when not gaming) @Oj0
 
Which processor would you recommend to the person with a RTX 3060 who only uses his computer for youtube and MS Office (when not gaming) @Oj0
Depends on the budget. I don't recommend AM5 for budget builds, I'd rather recommend Intel or even AM4. AM5 has a high cost of entry, and the cheapest CPUs are either the 7600 or 8500G, neither of which are cheap. You can get a board, CPU and RAM for AM4 or LGA1700 for less than the price of the cheapest AM5 CPU, and you can get something semi-decent for not much more.
 

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