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I have been banned from carbonite for expressing my revulsion at a post I read in the smacktalk section which offended me. I felt that I, as a non-believer in God or any almighty beings, was totally disrespected. I know that ojo had warned against any negativity being posted on the thread. But I felt disrespected by the thread, and I would have been ashamed of myself had I not said anything. This is not a christian forum, thus I feel a thread promoting god, possession by him, halucinations and wildly imaginative dreams not representative of me as a member. If I were a noob to carb, and saw that in the smack talk sections okes were posting threads about God, and anyone who disagreed got their post deleted and got banned, I would have thought "this place is not for me", but I have come to know that I may speak my mind in smacktalk, and thats why I keep coming back, Im intrigued by the debates that evolve between other people like me (game and pc enthusiasts), and find the right to express myself without fear of conviction or banning refreshing (provided i dont discuss piracy etc). I would have thought the right thing to do would be to remove the original post, as we are not all christians, this is not a christian forum, and it seemed a wholely inappropriate post by the OP.
I found the following items a lot more disrespectful than my simple response of "bleggh":
1 - "My testimony of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ" - firstly "our", NO, "my" perhaps. He is your lord and saviour, not carbonites, not mine, and not many other peoples neither. In the law, testimony is a form of evidence that is obtained from a witness who makes a solemn statement or declaration of fact. However, a lot of the more esoteric elements of your "testimony" are impossible for me to believe, given my particular set of beliefs.
2 - "It made me realize how much God has played a part in my life, without me even knowing it." This is pure speculation. Unless you can physically prove any physical intervention, this is just your imagination and belief in a made up character manifesting itself as actual events. More than likely coincidence.
3 - "and I gave my life to Christ in 2005" - But youre still alive, deciding not to be dead on a daily basis. Decided to live your life by a different set of rules and dogma perhaps, but gave your life to christ? Then how come youre still the one experiencing it?
4 - "here were pieces of a huge puzzle that fell into place and I saw how God had moved in such a profound way" - Show pictures of gods actual involvement or gtfo.eg.
"Hey guys, god let me store 800gb of uncompressed data on my 400gb ssd"
"but thats impossible fred, its physically impossible"
"are you questioning god??"
5 - "begging and pleading with Him to give me my soul mate." - ive also been lonely, and it sucks. some people beg and plead with god for a meal before they die of starvation, not die in wars, that all kinds of horrible things dont happen, so did some poor child in a wartorn country end up not getting food, because god was looking for your soul mate at that very moment? what arrogance! coincidence and improbability are much more tangible and believable culprits, but nooooo, god spared my cat cuz i prayed to him. bahhh
6 - "I can't do this, please, you take control" Then it felt as tho, God was in my body, He was moving my arms and legs, kind of doing a break dance
he said to me, "This dance represents the symbol of light" - i dont even know where to start on this sentence. it is so far out there, it was a dream, it was a magic mushroom trip who knows. Dreams are subconscious. I once dreamt I was mario in super mario brothers, running around, breaking bricks with my head chowing shrooms etc etc, yet i did not wake up thinking I would one day turn into a tv game character, and i sure as hell didnt have a headache from bricksmashing when i woke up.
7 - "after the dance was complete. His glory just shone through me, I was lit up like a light bulb." - i also once dreamt i was the planet earth in orbit around the sun, i kid you not. i knew all and felt all. but it was just a dream. i did not wake up and decide i could now command mother nature. sometimes people dream wierd stuff, but it doesnt mean youre a see-er of the future or a medium about to launch your own tv show. everybody wants to be special dude.
8 - "God was leading me through people, until my hands met the hands of a woman. I could tell her eyes was also closed" - through people? like a ghost? or was god leading you by hand from where you were to your future wife? what what what?
9 - "I knew that she was going to cry because of 'the fact'(sic) that we were dancing to Gods rhythm" - was it an unpleasant rhythm? what is gods rhythm"? can anyone else confirm what gods official rhythm is, as i see an opportunity to make a lot of many here. furthermore, can you support your claim that it was "a fact" that you were dancing to gods rhythm with any form of evidence?
10 - "Right, so now we've established that God had given me my soul mate." - have we? or have we made a leap of faith connecting a couple of drawn straws and a very trippy gospel inspired dream? i dont believe that god gave you anything. i think you met a girl who is also religious and studied french and then filled in the dots between with revelations that your congregation happily lap up as they are believers (the name denotes their mentality - people say things, and they believe)
11 - "God gave me the passion for technology and computers." - Come on! must i even express how absurd this is? do you decide anything in your life or are you just a bumbling victim of gods majestic plan? seriously man, take some responsibility for your life.
and okes quoting scripture in the thread even?
When you stop trying to control everything in your life and surrender you let Him initiate His plan...Jer 29:11
can i also quote some?
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." - Leviticus 20:13
"a marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. if the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed" - deuteronomy 22:13-21
so if gays are an abomination will you be killing your unpure wife? or is she a virgin? (you dont have to answer that, its rhetoric)
Anyhow, i will sit out my ban, i just saw i had this place to express myself and thought i would do so. it has always seemed unfair that its perfectly acceptable for religions to shove their stuff in my face, and if i express my feelings towards it im an heretic. and dont try say it was about their relationship, not religion, as i did just explain all the religious dogma i found offensive.
ps - sorry for any bad grammar or spelling, but i typed this kinda hastily
I found the following items a lot more disrespectful than my simple response of "bleggh":
1 - "My testimony of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ" - firstly "our", NO, "my" perhaps. He is your lord and saviour, not carbonites, not mine, and not many other peoples neither. In the law, testimony is a form of evidence that is obtained from a witness who makes a solemn statement or declaration of fact. However, a lot of the more esoteric elements of your "testimony" are impossible for me to believe, given my particular set of beliefs.
2 - "It made me realize how much God has played a part in my life, without me even knowing it." This is pure speculation. Unless you can physically prove any physical intervention, this is just your imagination and belief in a made up character manifesting itself as actual events. More than likely coincidence.
3 - "and I gave my life to Christ in 2005" - But youre still alive, deciding not to be dead on a daily basis. Decided to live your life by a different set of rules and dogma perhaps, but gave your life to christ? Then how come youre still the one experiencing it?
4 - "here were pieces of a huge puzzle that fell into place and I saw how God had moved in such a profound way" - Show pictures of gods actual involvement or gtfo.eg.
"Hey guys, god let me store 800gb of uncompressed data on my 400gb ssd"
"but thats impossible fred, its physically impossible"
"are you questioning god??"
5 - "begging and pleading with Him to give me my soul mate." - ive also been lonely, and it sucks. some people beg and plead with god for a meal before they die of starvation, not die in wars, that all kinds of horrible things dont happen, so did some poor child in a wartorn country end up not getting food, because god was looking for your soul mate at that very moment? what arrogance! coincidence and improbability are much more tangible and believable culprits, but nooooo, god spared my cat cuz i prayed to him. bahhh
6 - "I can't do this, please, you take control" Then it felt as tho, God was in my body, He was moving my arms and legs, kind of doing a break dance
he said to me, "This dance represents the symbol of light" - i dont even know where to start on this sentence. it is so far out there, it was a dream, it was a magic mushroom trip who knows. Dreams are subconscious. I once dreamt I was mario in super mario brothers, running around, breaking bricks with my head chowing shrooms etc etc, yet i did not wake up thinking I would one day turn into a tv game character, and i sure as hell didnt have a headache from bricksmashing when i woke up.
7 - "after the dance was complete. His glory just shone through me, I was lit up like a light bulb." - i also once dreamt i was the planet earth in orbit around the sun, i kid you not. i knew all and felt all. but it was just a dream. i did not wake up and decide i could now command mother nature. sometimes people dream wierd stuff, but it doesnt mean youre a see-er of the future or a medium about to launch your own tv show. everybody wants to be special dude.
8 - "God was leading me through people, until my hands met the hands of a woman. I could tell her eyes was also closed" - through people? like a ghost? or was god leading you by hand from where you were to your future wife? what what what?
9 - "I knew that she was going to cry because of 'the fact'(sic) that we were dancing to Gods rhythm" - was it an unpleasant rhythm? what is gods rhythm"? can anyone else confirm what gods official rhythm is, as i see an opportunity to make a lot of many here. furthermore, can you support your claim that it was "a fact" that you were dancing to gods rhythm with any form of evidence?
10 - "Right, so now we've established that God had given me my soul mate." - have we? or have we made a leap of faith connecting a couple of drawn straws and a very trippy gospel inspired dream? i dont believe that god gave you anything. i think you met a girl who is also religious and studied french and then filled in the dots between with revelations that your congregation happily lap up as they are believers (the name denotes their mentality - people say things, and they believe)
11 - "God gave me the passion for technology and computers." - Come on! must i even express how absurd this is? do you decide anything in your life or are you just a bumbling victim of gods majestic plan? seriously man, take some responsibility for your life.
and okes quoting scripture in the thread even?
When you stop trying to control everything in your life and surrender you let Him initiate His plan...Jer 29:11
can i also quote some?
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." - Leviticus 20:13
"a marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. if the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed" - deuteronomy 22:13-21
so if gays are an abomination will you be killing your unpure wife? or is she a virgin? (you dont have to answer that, its rhetoric)
Anyhow, i will sit out my ban, i just saw i had this place to express myself and thought i would do so. it has always seemed unfair that its perfectly acceptable for religions to shove their stuff in my face, and if i express my feelings towards it im an heretic. and dont try say it was about their relationship, not religion, as i did just explain all the religious dogma i found offensive.
ps - sorry for any bad grammar or spelling, but i typed this kinda hastily