about my ban

[Unregistered]

I have been banned from carbonite for expressing my revulsion at a post I read in the smacktalk section which offended me. I felt that I, as a non-believer in God or any almighty beings, was totally disrespected. I know that ojo had warned against any negativity being posted on the thread. But I felt disrespected by the thread, and I would have been ashamed of myself had I not said anything. This is not a christian forum, thus I feel a thread promoting god, possession by him, halucinations and wildly imaginative dreams not representative of me as a member. If I were a noob to carb, and saw that in the smack talk sections okes were posting threads about God, and anyone who disagreed got their post deleted and got banned, I would have thought "this place is not for me", but I have come to know that I may speak my mind in smacktalk, and thats why I keep coming back, Im intrigued by the debates that evolve between other people like me (game and pc enthusiasts), and find the right to express myself without fear of conviction or banning refreshing (provided i dont discuss piracy etc). I would have thought the right thing to do would be to remove the original post, as we are not all christians, this is not a christian forum, and it seemed a wholely inappropriate post by the OP.

I found the following items a lot more disrespectful than my simple response of "bleggh":

1 - "My testimony of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ" - firstly "our", NO, "my" perhaps. He is your lord and saviour, not carbonites, not mine, and not many other peoples neither. In the law, testimony is a form of evidence that is obtained from a witness who makes a solemn statement or declaration of fact. However, a lot of the more esoteric elements of your "testimony" are impossible for me to believe, given my particular set of beliefs.

2 - "It made me realize how much God has played a part in my life, without me even knowing it." This is pure speculation. Unless you can physically prove any physical intervention, this is just your imagination and belief in a made up character manifesting itself as actual events. More than likely coincidence.

3 - "and I gave my life to Christ in 2005" - But youre still alive, deciding not to be dead on a daily basis. Decided to live your life by a different set of rules and dogma perhaps, but gave your life to christ? Then how come youre still the one experiencing it?

4 - "here were pieces of a huge puzzle that fell into place and I saw how God had moved in such a profound way" - Show pictures of gods actual involvement or gtfo.eg.
"Hey guys, god let me store 800gb of uncompressed data on my 400gb ssd"
"but thats impossible fred, its physically impossible"
"are you questioning god??"

5 - "begging and pleading with Him to give me my soul mate." - ive also been lonely, and it sucks. some people beg and plead with god for a meal before they die of starvation, not die in wars, that all kinds of horrible things dont happen, so did some poor child in a wartorn country end up not getting food, because god was looking for your soul mate at that very moment? what arrogance! coincidence and improbability are much more tangible and believable culprits, but nooooo, god spared my cat cuz i prayed to him. bahhh

6 - "I can't do this, please, you take control" Then it felt as tho, God was in my body, He was moving my arms and legs, kind of doing a break dance
he said to me, "This dance represents the symbol of light" - i dont even know where to start on this sentence. it is so far out there, it was a dream, it was a magic mushroom trip who knows. Dreams are subconscious. I once dreamt I was mario in super mario brothers, running around, breaking bricks with my head chowing shrooms etc etc, yet i did not wake up thinking I would one day turn into a tv game character, and i sure as hell didnt have a headache from bricksmashing when i woke up.

7 - "after the dance was complete. His glory just shone through me, I was lit up like a light bulb." - i also once dreamt i was the planet earth in orbit around the sun, i kid you not. i knew all and felt all. but it was just a dream. i did not wake up and decide i could now command mother nature. sometimes people dream wierd stuff, but it doesnt mean youre a see-er of the future or a medium about to launch your own tv show. everybody wants to be special dude.

8 - "God was leading me through people, until my hands met the hands of a woman. I could tell her eyes was also closed" - through people? like a ghost? or was god leading you by hand from where you were to your future wife? what what what?

9 - "I knew that she was going to cry because of 'the fact'(sic) that we were dancing to Gods rhythm" - was it an unpleasant rhythm? what is gods rhythm"? can anyone else confirm what gods official rhythm is, as i see an opportunity to make a lot of many here. furthermore, can you support your claim that it was "a fact" that you were dancing to gods rhythm with any form of evidence?

10 - "Right, so now we've established that God had given me my soul mate." - have we? or have we made a leap of faith connecting a couple of drawn straws and a very trippy gospel inspired dream? i dont believe that god gave you anything. i think you met a girl who is also religious and studied french and then filled in the dots between with revelations that your congregation happily lap up as they are believers (the name denotes their mentality - people say things, and they believe)

11 - "God gave me the passion for technology and computers." - Come on! must i even express how absurd this is? do you decide anything in your life or are you just a bumbling victim of gods majestic plan? seriously man, take some responsibility for your life.

and okes quoting scripture in the thread even?

When you stop trying to control everything in your life and surrender you let Him initiate His plan...Jer 29:11

can i also quote some?

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." - Leviticus 20:13

"a marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. if the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed" - deuteronomy 22:13-21

so if gays are an abomination will you be killing your unpure wife? or is she a virgin? (you dont have to answer that, its rhetoric)

Anyhow, i will sit out my ban, i just saw i had this place to express myself and thought i would do so. it has always seemed unfair that its perfectly acceptable for religions to shove their stuff in my face, and if i express my feelings towards it im an heretic. and dont try say it was about their relationship, not religion, as i did just explain all the religious dogma i found offensive.

ps - sorry for any bad grammar or spelling, but i typed this kinda hastily

 

[wizardofid]

Learn to respect others unconditionally, regardless of faith, you don't have to like them or speak to them.Point is you don't get to criticize some one's religion as a outsider, you will have a legion of believers on your ass, and you might find your self bloodied and baptized in a back alley gutter.

Simply because you don't grasp the concept of what religion means to people and how ingrained it is in their daily lives and they far, far out number you and majority rules, so live with it and keep your mouth shut, and avoid the subject and you will get far in live without having to mention the word religion to any one ever.

 

[Joshua_Weiss]

Dude the best thing you can do is not make a fuss, take your ban and move on. Not make this a huge deal.

 

[ooogz]

If u dont believe or like religion then why read religious threads? Or get involved with religious threads?
If im was a non believer , the minute instant reading something that doesn't interest me I skip it....

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[Snormossel]

Learn to respect others unconditionally, regardless of faith, you don't have to like them or speak to them.Point is you don't get to criticize some one's religion as a outsider, you will have a legion of believers on your ass, and you might find your self bloodied and baptized in a back alley gutter

The bit highlighted in red sounds like a threat...

Are you prepared to physically harm someone because they don't share the same beliefs as you?

 

[Unregistered]

And in case it is unclear. I am fredriguez, I commented "bleggh" in the Christian saviour thread and got banned

 

[Moolz]

Wow...
But some valid points.

 

[Lianesch]

You my son are disrespecting the OP and his believes. Really not cool.... I try not to participate in Carb discussions anymore, but you are out of line.

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[Deadmeat]

Like i said earlier, religious debates ALWAY end badly

 

[Oj0]

You were disrespectful, now you've taken it to a whole new level. Not agreeing with him does not given you any right, not even in the slightest, to mock his beliefs like that. Nobody can prove where we came from - NOBODY at all. He might very well be right.

Gotta love people who conveniently forget that the New Testament exists and conveniently quote from the Old Testament only.

 

[rubber_otter]

This is not where i parked my car...

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[Mike]

Had a short discussion in the CB.. Is this forum really the place for this? There's very little to gain and quite a lot to lose. I though Carb was more about a technology oriented forum and personally think this post and the original are highly inappropriate.

 

[megustav]

Nobody asked you to read the thread. You saw the title, and YOU made the decision to open the thread, so it is only YOUR fault that you ended up being offended.

So now YOU can suffer in silence while being banned. The only reason why I wrote YOU in is to point out nobody else can make you do it, as you so clearly belie... oh wait sorry... as you so clearly think.

 

[AgentPooky]

Was just saying 'bleggh' what got you banned? If so that's quite harsh.

 

[crackOlicious]

Lol, i am a church going person (Christian?) And can't accept everything iv been brought up to believe about the bible/god. Iv been involved in this type of discussion before and it always ends up bad. That's why I chose not to comment in those threads.

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[unregistered]

weak dude, weak!!

if that's your most reasonable response, then shame. Clearly, you have some kind of religious bias which makes you an inappropriate adjudicator in this as you are influenced by your pre-conditioned beliefs. I care for neither testament, does the new testament somehow invalidate things said in the old testament? does that mean it is no longer an abomination for people to be gay? and non virgin wives no longer need to be slain?

Its not that I disagree with him, its that I was offended by his blatant Christian propaghanda. Unless of course this is a pro-Christian/anti anything else site? in which case I will understand your bias, and happily not return, if you would just be so kind as to confirm this bias.

He was disrespectful of non-Christians to begin with. I am not the only one offended im sure, yet people were neutered by your threats. That's fascism dude. What the hell is actually going on here?

fredriguez

 

[AgentPooky]

OP, just don't worry about it. Forums aren't generally places for free speech. No matter what you say someone's bound to get offended. I hope it's only a temp ban. Just don't get worked up about stuff like this.

 

[Oj0]

weak dude, weak!!

if that's your most reasonable response, then shame. Clearly, you have some kind of religious bias which makes you an inappropriate adjudicator in this as you are influenced by your pre-conditioned beliefs. I care for neither testament, does the new testament somehow invalidate things said in the old testament? does that mean it is no longer an abomination for people to be gay? and non virgin wives no longer need to be slain?

Its not that I disagree with him, its that I was offended by his blatant Christian propaghanda. Unless of course this is a pro-Christian/anti anything else site? in which case I will understand your bias, and happily not return, if you would just be so kind as to confirm this bias.

He was disrespectful of non-Christians to begin with. I am not the only one offended im sure, yet people were neutered by your threats. That's fascism dude. What the hell is actually going on here?

fredriguez

For what it's worth, I am an atheist. I was completely unbiased in defending something I don't believe, I will defend his right to believe it without mockery from you. If reading someone else's experiences offends you I suggest you lock yourself in a closet and never have any form of communication with the outside world again. The fact that you think being offended by reading about someone's core beliefs and attacking said person's core beliefs are equally offensive shows what kind of person you are.

Oh, and your biblical knowledge is lacking. Please stop quoting that which you do not understand, I find it offensive.

 

[KALSTER]

You were disrespectful, now you've taken it to a whole new level. Not agreeing with him does not given you any right, not even in the slightest, to mock his beliefs like that. Nobody can prove where we came from - NOBODY at all. He might very well be right.

Gotta love people who conveniently forget that the New Testament exists and conveniently quote from the Old Testament only.

But the religious readily quote from the old testament as well. Granted, the new testament, though not perfect, is much milder and more tolerant than the old, but it still relegates all non-Jesus believers to hell from the mouth of Jesus himself. And the concept of hell is infinitely worse than any of the often quoted old testament stuff.

No disrespect meant by saying that, just a point of fact.

 

[baasgene]

i understand that you get irritated that most of the population believes without question, but i realized long ago that by giving it too much attention you end up with less hair on your head in any case. Religion in its own is a NECESSITY, it's absolutely necessary. for example if it wasn't for religion then the peeps with a couple of loose screws will do as they please, by convincing them that they're being watched and judged they end up living like saints.

And imagine the peace of mind they have, i admire those people highly, i wish i wasn't so stubborn to question everything... The benefits of religion greatly outweighs the cons

But rule of thumb. Keep it to yourself, it's no fun having all the hostility and non of the goodness of people

 

[baasgene]

i admire christians, to question everything has been my curse for years. they actually have peace of mind, imagine believing strictly that if you die you go to a place much better than this. now the only thing i can think of is eternal life because the fact of the matter is if your brain dies so does your 'soul'

all from dust be return to dust sigh

 

[Unregistered]

Nobody asked you to read the thread. You saw the title, and YOU made the decision to open the thread, so it is only YOUR fault that you ended up being offended.

So now YOU can suffer in silence while being banned. The only reason why I wrote YOU in is to point out nobody else can make you do it, as you so clearly belie... oh wait sorry... as you so clearly think.

of course I did. and i'll do it again and again until im perma banned, or it is confirmed that there is a bias/double standard with regard to expressing your beliefs. whats the point in being allowed to speak your mind if you cant speak your mind? can I create a bunch of threads in the smack talk section promoting various other beliefs and rest assured that nobody else is allowed to come in there and question me? or if I do a whole essay on how satan helped me find the job of my dreams, and be safe that no-one will call bs on what ive said? and shouldn't people be allowed to call bs on things they don't agree with or are offended by? would it not upset the Christians greatly that they cannot renounce my advocation of satan? Furthermore, I was offended by the title, not just all the subsequent drivel, so that invalidates all the you read it crap.

and yes, to re-iterate, I was banned SIMPLY for saying bleggh

 

[Unregistered]

If u dont believe or like religion then why read religious threads? Or get involved with religious threads?
If im was a non believer , the minute instant reading something that doesn't interest me I skip it....

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that's exactly it. this is not a religious site, religious topics have no place here. I love carbonite, and I have no interest in any of the religious stuff. But if people are gonna post it, im gonna call shenanigans. if they can post it, I can oppose it. same as Christians (or whichever group) can oppose whatever they deem inappropriate and all is well. unless there is a bias and this is a Christian oriented forum, in which case I will know I don't belong anymore

 

[g0l1athrulz]

I think any thread just starting to head in s religuois direction should be closed and the rules shud be updated to not allow these types of threads/posts

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[wizardofid]

The bit highlighted in red sounds like a threat...

Are you prepared to physically harm someone because they don't share the same beliefs as you?

Hell no I never threaten with violence unfortunately you don't know me very well, and the fact that that statement was in jest, was hard at all to notice the undertone of a joke, bloodied and baptized in a back alley gutter, should have been the dead give away of the jest.However considering the seriousness of the subject at hand, I see you might not have noticed it.

With that said, with many religions, finding your self in a gutter, is not unheard of, it merely plays on the fact that people will defend their religion, however , now you directly ask if I am willing to do grievous bodily harm to some one in the name of my believe.

Well since you asked it, you first need to establish what that believe is ? Since I have not mentioned any where on this forum what my believe is and having tried to speak about religion as a whole and not a specific one, a assumption has been made.You know what they say about assumptions ?

So you really need to take the last part as jest, unfortunately it is also true that people have died and been in seriously life threatening situations as a result of their beliefs or lack of.The statement is, also one of warning that one day he might find him self in a situation that could be potentially be life threatening, diarrhea potty mouthing and disrespecting some one, regardless of subject will get some one angered and push the person too far.

Am I prepared to harm some one with regards to my beliefs, culture, race, or whatever, apparently I have the psycho aptitude to do it, but haven't been pushed hard enough to climb in my car drive to this dudes house, and gun him down, nope I rather stalk him for the next several weeks, learn his daily routine, then strike, and make him suffer, in the most sadistic way, by reading to him from which ever religion he hates the most, again the last part is in total jest so take it as that.

But honestly what are the odds of threatening some one and then driving where ever, and smack them silly till next Thursday for dissing, their comic book collection?

 

[Oj0]

Furthermore, I was offended by the title, not just all the subsequent drivel, so that invalidates all the you read it crap.

I'm going to ignore everything else you said, as if I reply to you the way I feel like replying I'll be on the same end of the ban hammer. What I am going to do is repeat what I said: If you find hearing/reading about someone else's experience to be offensive, please immediately delete all forum account, close your internet account, cancel your phone contract and sell your TV. Refrain from ever communicating with anyone again.

 

[Senshi]

You lot are all missing the point.

1. Fredriguez you were out of line by commenting in that post the way you did.
2. The OP's post was a celebration of him getting married, whether you buy into the religious talk/beliefs that followed is up to you.
3. Why comment in the thread if you are a non-believe or it doesn't interest you? Similarly if you don't believe in killing people with guns, why go buy one? It makes 0 sense whatsoever?
4. The Admins/Moderators decisions are final, your fight for equality is worthless here.

We ALL know Carbonite has a FIFO policy (Fit in or **** Off).

If you don't like it, there's the door, nobody is stopping you.

@ Oj0 dude, I expected better of you, whether he was quoting old or new testament is completely besides the point. He made a comment in a thread that had religious connotations (be it Christianity, Buddhism, Atheism, Satanism, or whatever it's really irrelevant) that clearly went against the grain of the thread and got banned.

Justifying the ban with a religious reason is adding fuel to the fire.

To clear it up, Fred, you got banned by making a terrible post in a thread about religious/marriage talk, regardless of what said religion was.

Next time don't stick your head in the oven and then cry that you got burnt.

tl:dr broke a rule, got banned, crying.

 

[Oj0]

Um, Senshi dude, I don't know how you're reading my posts... o.0

Or am I misunderstanding you? I think you're saying that I'm justifying his ban with religious reasons? Or if that line is aimed at someone else, if he wants to quote something he doesn't believe in he should at least understand what he's quoting.

 

[crackOlicious]

Scratch patch just got deeper,different denominations interpret the bible differentially. Just saying.

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[crackOlicious]

I take that back, I'm staying out of this.

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