1070 or Vega 56?

[Toy Machine]

Vega overclocks in a very different way to the "norm". I could write a short novel on the subject but (very) simply put there's a watt-based power budget, and running at higher clocks draws more amps. If you lower the voltage you allow a greater amperage to be drawn while staying under the watt limit, so the card clocks itself up. Even with the higher clock you (usually) end up running cooler than stock anyway.
The lower wattage & heat both help avoid throttling of any kind so you get more stable frametimes to boot.

If you tell it to stay at stock clocks then it runs a lot cooler...like GTX cool 😁
That's all subject to the silicon lottery though. Your mileage may vary.

In my mind AMD = Android and GTX = iOS.
The Vega might outperform the GTX but it takes fiddling, tweaking and a bit of luck.
The GTX is just plug & play, cool & calm.

Hence why I am trying to decide, whilst I do not OC now, I have always wanted to dip my toes and have some fun, if it can be healthy for the card and benefit performance and temps I would like to try it. Something feels like you get more value out of the 56 in this regard than what a 1070 would give you, since 56's seem to outperform 1070's quite substantially now in an array of titles.

In that regards I am inclined to go for the 56 if I am getting cooler temps, better performance and the same life span(with luck on the silicon lottery) the 1070 performs well and is out of the box luxury with Shadowplay, low power draw and just working, but will it be as much fun trying to OC(since the 56 seems to be abe to outpace even the 1070ti's in quite a few titles.

 

[ahcii]

What aftermarket cooler do you have on yours?

Morpheus II. Got it on here

IMO if your budget is R3k (from your wanted thread) try stretch it to R4k and pick up a Vega 64?

 

[ahcii]

Stability. Not all Vegas will undervolt successfully, many will only allow a slight undervolt. It's like any other form of overclocking.

Off topic but is your avatar meant to be spazzing out? It's changing between 3 diff specs in a few milliseconds

 

[Joshmeister]

Vega 56 for sure, try and get your hands on a reference model and youll be able to Bios flash a vega 64 bios onto it and you have 1070ti almost 1080 performance for like a grand less. Vega 56 usually goes for 3k on carb so its amazing value for money. I have undervolted mine and it runs about high 70s and is quite loud but i play with a headset so it doesnt bother me

 

[Joshmeister]

@Toy Machine defs upgrade your cpu after you get a good gpu or you gonna get crazy bottlenecking

 

[iamgigglz]

Off topic but is your avatar meant to be spazzing out? It's changing between 3 diff specs in a few milliseconds

It’s an accurate depiction of my activity on Carb

 

[Toy Machine]

Do all reference models have Samsung HBM2 or only certain brands @Joshmeister ? What sort of fan curves do you have set?

Definitely will grab a CPU upgrade in the nearish future because I expect a decent bottleneck to form.

 

[Ebrahim Ali]

Ive had both the GTX 1070 AND the Vega 56. The Vega is faster out of the box stock for stock. As others have pointed out though the drivers can be sh1t from time to time. If you end up getting the Vega drop the P7 voltage by 50mv and set the power limit to +50% finally increase HBM frequency to 1000mhz and the HBM voltage to 1000mv . Almost all Vega 56's can hit these clocks.
I have a 64 now since the prices dropped briefly a while back when the mining bubble popped and flooded the used market with used 64's and retailers lowered prices accordingly. But the biggest reason for the Vega 56 is Freesync. Freesync monitors are so much cheaper than Gsync.

 

[Toy Machine]

Ive had both the GTX 1070 AND the Vega 56. The Vega is faster out of the box stock for stock. As others have pointed out though the drivers can be sh1t from time to time. If you end up getting the Vega drop the P7 voltage by 50mv and set the power limit to +50% finally increase HBM frequency to 1000mhz and the HBM voltage to 1000mv . Almost all Vega 56's can hit these clocks.
I have a 64 now since the prices dropped briefly a while back when the mining bubble popped and flooded the used market with used 64's and retailers lowered prices accordingly. But the biggest reason for the Vega 56 is Freesync. Freesync monitors are so much cheaper than Gsync.

Didd you ever take note of max power draw this would pull and what temps you hovered around?

 

[Ebrahim Ali]

Didd you ever take note of max power draw this would pull and what temps you hovered around?

For which card?
The Vega 56 before the undervolt would draw 240w and the 1070 would draw 190w. After the undervolt i think it dropped to 200w or thereabouts. It wasn't a concern for me since I have 750w EVGA PSU.
Now with my Vega 64 undervolted it draws around 240w and with now undervolting and a +50% powerlimit it was touching 300w

 

[Toy Machine]

For which card?
The Vega 56 before the undervolt would draw 240w and the 1070 would draw 190w. After the undervolt i think it dropped to 200w or thereabouts. It wasn't a concern for me since I have 750w EVGA PSU.
Now with my Vega 64 undervolted it draws around 240w and with now undervolting and a +50% powerlimit it was touching 300w

For the Vega 56, I'm also on a 750W. Basically, I am deciding whether I want to run hotter and draw more power or run cool with the 1070. But if the power draw and temps aren't much different on the 56, the performance gains are worth the extra heat/power

 

[WideAwak3]

My vega 64 runs at 1050 mem and 1700mhz clock at -118mv at the core. In game at max frame rate it reaches 181w

 

[Ebrahim Ali]

My vega 64 runs at 1050 mem and 1700mhz clock at -118mv at the core. In game at max frame rate it reaches 181w

Yup that powerdraw is spot on with my Vega 64 when I had it at 1050mv and your quite close at 1082mv. After repasting I could up the voltage to get better clocks hence the higher power draw.
What version do you have? My Sapphire Nitro+ crashes when I try to run clocks higher than 1680mhz and with an undervolt the clocks drop to around 1500mhz-1600mhz. HBM though is smiling all the way to 1075mhz.

 

[WideAwak3]

Yup that powerdraw is spot on with my Vega 64 when I had it at 1050mv and your quite close at 1082mv. After repasting I could up the voltage to get better clocks hence the higher power draw.
What version do you have? My Sapphire Nitro+ crashes when I try to run clocks higher than 1680mhz and with an undervolt the clocks drop to around 1500mhz-1600mhz. HBM though is smiling all the way to 1075mhz.

Mine is the reference sapphire vega 64. I can mine at 1100mhz hbm speed, and i can get to around 1740mhz before the card gets iffy. this card under water would be epic if one doesn't mind the power draw. I'm pretty sure if you unlock the power play tables to get up to 150% this thing would do it.

 

[Toy Machine]

Has anyone been able to find decent reviews/ comparisons of the Palit Jetstream 1070?
I like EVGA most but I know the Palit is a good contender in terms of thermals (from the very little I have seen)
but I want to know some in-depth testing done on this version of the card and just cannot seem to find anything really.

Thank you in advance.

 

[BLUE-ANGEL]

I had a Vega 64 and my brother got the GTX 1080. I can honestly tell you that at stock yes the 1080 mostly outperforms the Vega but by very little. After I have undervolt and overclocked the Vega I got better results with my Vega compared to the 1080. My Vega was running at a good 220 watts with a slightly aggressive fan curve and have to admit that I loved that card and never regret that I decided to go with the Vega and not the 1080. I think it's mostly a personal preference as well. The one big problem is that most developers STILL favors Nvidia above AMD, but do not let that put you off from the performance you can get out of an AMD card....and I am not talking about the new Navi technology.

 

[Ebrahim Ali]

Has anyone been able to find decent reviews/ comparisons of the Palit Jetstream 1070?
I like EVGA most but I know the Palit is a good contender in terms of thermals (from the very little I have seen)
but I want to know some in-depth testing done on this version of the card and just cannot seem to find anything really.

Thank you in advance.

UFD tech on youtube

 

[Toy Machine]

UFD tech on youtube

Link? I can only find the 2070 super

 

[Ebrahim Ali]

Link? I can only find the 2070 super

My bad I confused the 2 cards
Is this the version you talking about?

Palit GeForce RTX 2070 Dual Review | bit-tech.net

Can this entry level RTX 2070 bring value for money to the RTX family?

bit-tech.net

 

[Toy Machine]

No, I am speaking about a 1070 Palit Jetstream, I found a build video including this card from UFDTech, but is the Dual not the Jetstream