Is it worth it - GTX460 OC to a HD 5870

Airnews39 · Oct 12, 2011

Hey All,

I'm interested in a 5870 with a water block being offered to me. (Mostly because I have a new water cooled setup)

Do you guys think it's a worthwhile upgrade?
I am a bit biased towards Nvidia but if it is worthwhile I might jump ship.

From what I have read it seems to be about 15-20% quicker than a stock Gtx 460.

What do you think?

ruben41771 · Oct 12, 2011

The 5870 is faster than a 460, quite a bit...
I have the bech scores if you need it, just pm me had the 460 and 5870
460 = 4000
5870 = 4900 on 3D Mark 11

But 460 can oc heavy, 5870 is limited...

Airnews39 · Oct 12, 2011

Thanks Ruben,

My 460 is currently clocked at 810/1620/1710 with no voltage increases and running well.
That should get them closer together but without a OC on the 5870.

How far can one clock a 5870 realistically?

BillyBob · Oct 12, 2011

ruben41771 said:
But 460 can oc heavy, 5870 is limited...

Hogwash - 5870 can overclock just as happily. Even on air, most 5870's can hit 970-1000 MHz without voltage tweaking.

With the cooler temps of a water block, and the resultant voltage tweak headroom afforded by the cooling, that card with the right BIOS could easily see 1100 MHz - perhaps even 1150 if you're feeling really adventurous and you're not afraid of voltage tweaking.

Airnews39 · Oct 12, 2011

What kind of performance increase would that see BillyBob?

Would it take it up to a Gtx 480/570 in terms of performance?

ruben41771 · Oct 12, 2011

Airnews39 said:
Thanks Ruben,

My 460 is currently clocked at 810/1620/1710 with no voltage increases and running well.
That should get them closer together but without a OC on the 5870.

How far can one clock a 5870 realistically?

Non ref 5870 if you are lucky 900 core but wont play games all day, heavy unstable at 900+

douglash · Oct 12, 2011

ruben41771 said:
Non ref 5870 if you are lucky 900 core but wont play games all day, heavy unstable at 900+

Lies! Just saying... from 1st hand experience...

BillyBob · Oct 12, 2011

ruben41771 said:
Non ref 5870 if you are lucky 900 core but wont play games all day, heavy unstable at 900+

WHAT??? I've run 2 x Asus Voltage Tweaks, a Sapphire Game Edition, Asus Matrix, Club3D and a no-name ATI-branded sample, and not one of them has clocked lower than 960 MHz on core, without any voltage tweaks whatsoever - Furmark / Kombustor stable.

3 of those cards hit 1000 MHz on core - on stock voltage, stock cooling - and were used for bitmining, 24/7, for a week - without any stability issues whatsoever.

Heavy unstable se gat. Jy rook jou kouse, of jy't 'n fong-kong power supply gebruik

Airnews39 said:
What kind of performance increase would that see BillyBob?

Would it take it up to a Gtx 480/570 in terms of performance?

Yeah, it'll knock right on a GTX480's door and surpass it if you push it a bit....

Increasing core speeds on a GPU has a direct ratio to the performance increase for the most part - so 1000 MHz Core (17.5% up from 850 MHz stock core) on a 5870 has a direct effect on performance, giving you about 17.5% more frames in most cases - provided the application supports it, and you don't have CPU / PCI-e bottlenecks or the likes.

Airnews39 · Oct 12, 2011

Great thanks BillyBob!

ruben41771 · Oct 12, 2011

BillyBob said:
WHAT??? I've run 2 x Asus Voltage Tweaks, a Sapphire Game Edition, Asus Matrix, Club3D and a no-name ATI-branded sample, and not one of them has clocked lower than 960 MHz on core, without any voltage tweaks whatsoever - Furmark / Kombustor stable.

3 of those cards hit 1000 MHz on core - on stock voltage, stock cooling - and were used for bitmining, 24/7, for a week - without any stability issues whatsoever.

Heavy unstable se gat. Jy rook jou kouse, of jy't 'n fong-kong power supply gebruik

Yeah, it'll knock right on a GTX480's door and surpass it if you push it a bit....

Increasing core speeds on a GPU has a direct ratio to the performance increase for the most part - so 1000 MHz Core (17.5% up from 850 MHz stock core) on a 5870 has a direct effect on performance, giving you about 17.5% more frames in most cases - provided the application supports it, and you don't have CPU / PCI-e bottlenecks or the likes.

Wat waar is jou proof??
En moenie kom praat van n 5870 wat naby n 480 kom nie want dan is daar iets verkeerd met jou

LuMpY · Oct 12, 2011

ruben41771 said:
Wat waar is jou proof??
En moenie kom praat van n 5870 wat naby n 480 kom nie want dan is daar iets verkeerd met jou

My 5870 is at 950 currently, temps have never gone above 60 degrees ever.

Aslo its QUITE a bit faster than my mates 460 hawk.

In my saphire trixx tweak utility i can easily get it to 1000 core without voltage tweaks whatsoever.

So dont say that a 5870 isnt game stable above 900.

Munchies · Oct 12, 2011

BillyBob said:
Yeah, it'll knock right on a GTX480's door and surpass it if you push it a bit.....

Maybe the Ref model 5870 but i don't believe it will surpass the GTX480. I think thats pushing it a little. Maybe close to the stock speeds of the 480 but then again when you oc the 480 it will leave the 5870 in its dust.

The 5870 is much faster than the GTX460sc even when you push the 460 almost to it's limits. Something to also keep in mind is the support that ATI offers and Nvidia.
The 460 gives you more options in some off the games. Example: Just Cause 2 - Nvidia has 2 more graphics options available than the 5870.

I'm using the 5870 Vapor-X and the max i got out off it was 910 on the core without even thinking about the option off touching the voltage. If your looking for a 5870 to overclock make sure it's the ref model and not the non ref one or else you will be limited on the overclocking.
Non ref (in my case Vapor-X) runs on 875 core but the overclocking is limited. The give some then they take some.

LuMpY · Oct 12, 2011

Munchies said:
Maybe the Ref model 5870 but i don't believe it will surpass the GTX480. I think thats pushing it a little. Maybe close to the stock speeds of the 480 but then again when you oc the 480 it will leave the 5870 in its dust.

The 5870 is much faster than the GTX460sc even when you push the 460 almost to it's limits. Something to also keep in mind is the support that ATI offers and Nvidia.
The 460 gives you more options in some off the games. Example: Just Cause 2 - Nvidia has 2 more graphics options available than the 5870.

I'm using the 5870 Vapor-X and the max i got out off it was 910 on the core without even thinking about the option off touching the voltage. If your looking for a 5870 to overclock make sure it's the ref model and not the non ref one or else you will be limited on the overclocking.
Non ref (in my case Vapor-X) runs on 875 core but the overclocking is limited. The give some then they take some.

Im also running the 5870 vapor-X OC edition and like i said previously, im on 950 quite happily.

ruben41771 · Oct 12, 2011

Munchies said:
Maybe the Ref model 5870 but i don't believe it will surpass the GTX480. I think thats pushing it a little. Maybe close to the stock speeds of the 480 but then again when you oc the 480 it will leave the 5870 in its dust.

The 5870 is much faster than the GTX460sc even when you push the 460 almost to it's limits. Something to also keep in mind is the support that ATI offers and Nvidia.
The 460 gives you more options in some off the games. Example: Just Cause 2 - Nvidia has 2 more graphics options available than the 5870.

I'm using the 5870 Vapor-X and the max i got out off it was 910 on the core without even thinking about the option off touching the voltage. If your looking for a 5870 to overclock make sure it's the ref model and not the non ref one or else you will be limited on the overclocking.
Non ref (in my case Vapor-X) runs on 875 core but the overclocking is limited. The give some then they take some.

O.P listen to Munchies he is talking the truth.

Lumphy proof dude!! Not you or Billy has posted a 11 score so i cant listen to you guys!

Munchies · Oct 12, 2011

LuMpY said:
Im also running the 5870 vapor-X OC edition and like i said previously, im on 950 quite happily.

950 without voltage tweaks? I've been trying and everyone told me 900 Max core.

LuMpY · Oct 12, 2011

Munchies said:
950 without voltage tweaks? I've been trying and everyone told me 900 Max core.

Grab yourself sapphire trixx utility.

And ruben no probs whatsoever big guy, will post screenshots tonight boet.

BillyBob · Oct 12, 2011

Ek't nie proof nodig nie smurfie - al die ouens op die forum wat my goed ken kan vouch vir al die 5870's wat ek al gekoop en verkoop het op die forum.

Maar ja-nee, moet iets verkeerd met my wees - en met die online reviews en benchmarks...

Nvidia GeForce GTX 480/470 vs. ATI Radeon HD 5870/5850 - TechSpot Reviews

Stock vs stock is 'n 5870 binne 10% van die GTX480 se performance in meeste games en benchmarks - die enigste clear-cut advantage wat die 480 het is in DX11 in heavy tessellation environments - sy tessellation is admittedly baie beter as die 5870 sin, en dan obviously is daar 'n paar games wat beter perform op Nvidia kaarte - Metro 2011, HAWX, etc.

Maar ja, jy't nou 'n 480, en nou's dit mos die beste ding ooit - net soos jy ge-rant en ge-rave het oor hoe awesome die 5870's was toe jy hulle gehad het, en vir almal se "Nee, hierdie outjies is vir my 'n investment - ek gaan hulle nooooiiiit verkoop nie!"

So kom ons noem dit 'n 15% lead wat die 480 het - jy overclock dan 'n 5870 tot by 1000 MHz op core, en voila - hy maak daai deficit op en loop actually voor die 480 in party gevalle. Dis nie rocket science nie..

Hou op om jouself te probeer slim hou - jy gee verkeerde raad op dinge waarvan jy evidently bitter min weet.

douglash · Oct 12, 2011

+1 to Billy IMO

LuMpY · Oct 12, 2011

Agreed.

to the OP... get yourself a 5870. Its still an awesome card, performs decently, and if you want to crossfire later its got good scaling.

Youll see a definate increase in performance over your 460 ( provided ,as billy said, you have no bottlenecks )

ruben41771 · Oct 12, 2011

Ja Billy daar is geen hoop vir jou nie lewe in jou online wereld ek lewe in die regte 1 !!! Het jy vergeet ek het ook 2x5870 gehad??

BillyBob · Oct 12, 2011

Munchies - all good and well, but the OP asked if an overclocked 5870 could touch a stock 480 - I said yes, which it can, and can surpass in some benchmarks.

Granted the 480 can overclock, but bear in mind not by much - unless you have an aftermarket cooler or a case with some serious airflow - and you don't mind loads of fan noise.

ruben41771 said:
Lumphy proof dude!! Not you or Billy has posted a 11 score so i cant listen to you guys!

Yeah, and you thumbsuck scores that you just type out - that's proof. Get real dude.

Online benchmarks prove more than enough. Read 'em, weep, and get over yourself and your supposed "proof".

I've got probably about 70 Vantage runs on a comparitive spreadsheet - all different types of cards, including 5870, 5870 x 2, 5970, 5870+5970, and even a 5970 + Ares. If you want it, I'll gladly go and dig it out to send it to you... but you'll nit-pick about that as well, so I really don't see the point?

LuMpY · Oct 12, 2011

ruben41771 said:
Ja Billy daar is geen hoop vir jou nie lewe in jou online wereld ek lewe in die regte 1 !!! Het jy vergeet ek het ook 2x5870 gehad??

he just said about when you bought your 2 x 5870s... dont you read?

You doing it again, thinking your opinion is the only viable 1.

Not so long ago you were the 1 asking us for advice on 5870s, you argued then and we were right, now suddenly your the expert?

BillyBob · Oct 12, 2011

ruben41771 said:
Ja Billy daar is geen hoop vir jou nie lewe in jou online wereld ek lewe in die regte 1 !!! Het jy vergeet ek het ook 2x5870 gehad??

Ja-nee, se die oorspronklike keyboard warrior wat sy bek rek... as jy dan 'n regte lewe het, hoekom probeer jy so hard en aanhoudend om vir almal online te wys hoe slim en braaf jy is deur gedurig te probeer argumenteer oor goed wat duidelik bo jou vuurmaak-plek is?

Ek't niks om te bewys nie dude - anders as jy wat moet mislik en persoonlik raak as jou wolhaarstories verkeerd bewys word.

Ek't dan sopas in my vorige post genoem van jou 2 x 5870's... of kan jy net nie te lekker lees nie? Maar jou Gr 1 geldjies gaan terugvra ou grootseun.

ruben41771 · Oct 12, 2011

BillyBob said:
Munchies - all good and well, but the OP asked if an overclocked 5870 could touch a stock 480 - I said yes, which it can, and can surpass in some benchmarks.

Granted the 480 can overclock, but bear in mind not by much - unless you have an aftermarket cooler or a case with some serious airflow - and you don't mind loads of fan noise.

Yeah, and you thumbsuck scores that you just type out - that's proof. Get real dude.

Online benchmarks prove more than enough. Read 'em, weep, and get over yourself and your supposed "proof".

I've got probably about 70 Vantage runs on a comparitive spreadsheet - all different types of cards, including 5870, 5870 x 2, 5970, 5870+5970, and even a 5970 + Ares. If you want it, I'll gladly go and dig it out to send it to you... but you'll nit-pick about that as well, so I really don't see the point?

post jou score met vandag se datum dan sal ek stil bly.
En wat n 480 kan nie klok nie; check my 11 score

Munchies · Oct 12, 2011

Okay Children calm down now.

LuMpY you were spot on with the Sapphire Trixx software. Thanx a million ! Seems i was reading posts of people that don't know right from left.

A quick futuremark 11 with a stable small oc of 920 on the core and it didn't give any problems. Will push it a little more to find the max but then i must unfortunatly pull back my statement off the 900 max core.

Seems any 5870 can overclock with the right software so there is (as i can now see) no reason not to go for the 5870.

And to clear a few things up i'll post my 11 score with the overclocking details.

LuMpY · Oct 12, 2011

Munchies said:
Okay Children calm down now.

LuMpY you were spot on with the Sapphire Trixx software. Thanx a million ! Seems i was reading posts of people that don't know right from left.

A quick futuremark 11 with a stable small oc of 920 on the core and it didn't give any problems. Will push it a little more to find the max but then i must unfortunatly pull back my statement off the 900 max core.

Seems any 5870 can overclock with the right software so there is (as i can now see) no reason not to go for the 5870.

And to clear a few things up i'll post my 11 score with the overclocking details.

No probs man. Ya its a very handy tool for temps, clocks and fan speed monitoring. Volts can also be changed but i've never had any need to. Good luck with the OC'ing.

BillyBob · Oct 12, 2011

Oops, sorry Ruben - Munchies, the only one backing you in your asinine argument, seems to have changed sides as well.

O, en jy't 'n aftermarket cooler, weereens - iets waarna ek verwys het in my vorige post. Maak oop jou ogies en lees, want hoe meer jy net sit en bollie tik, hoe meer ignorant en downright dom lyk jy.

ruben41771 · Oct 12, 2011

BillyBob said:
Oops, sorry Ruben - Munchies, the only one backing you in your asinine argument, seems to have changed sides as well.

O, en jy't 'n aftermarket cooler, weereens - iets waarna ek verwys het in my vorige post. Maak oop jou ogies en lees, want hoe meer jy net sit en bollie tik, hoe meer ignorant en downright dom lyk jy.

dude skrik wakker ek het die cooler eers 2weke terug opgesit daai is met stock cooler.

Hoekom praat jy nog waar is jou score??
Of hou jy net daarvan om te troll en groot te praat?!

BillyBob · Oct 12, 2011

ruben41771 said:
dude skrik wakker ek het die cooler eers 2weke terug opgesit daai is met stock cooler.

Proof!

Sien? Twee kan daai game speel. Volg die link, google self - daar's meer as genoeg proof op die internet, as jy nie te erg verblind is deur jou eie opinie nie.

En jis dude, jy klink al soos 'n gebreekde platespeler... "Troll, troll, troll, troll" - kan jy actually met niks beter opkom nie?

LuMpY · Oct 12, 2011

ruben41771 said:
dude skrik wakker ek het die cooler eers 2weke terug opgesit daai is met stock cooler.

Hoekom praat jy nog waar is jou score??
Of hou jy net daarvan om te troll en groot te praat?!

Sorry, let me run home, run a 3DMark 11 for you, come back to work and post the scores. wouoldnt want you to be unhappy.

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