Vpn

[Mossiemos]

Hello All.....
Please help me understand VPN .....
I Basically want a VPN that i can use on my main router , so basically everything after my router will also be on that Vpn ?
I see you can buy a Vpn for certain amount of devices ? There is Alot of devices on my network , i know not all of them must use a Vpn but just unsure , it will be much easier to just use a Vpn on my main router , my router does support that
Thanks

 

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Thanks , do you use one ?

 

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Hello All.....
Please help me understand VPN .....
I Basically want a VPN that i can use on my main router , so basically everything after my router will also be on that Vpn ?
I see you can buy a Vpn for certain amount of devices ? There is Alot of devices on my network , i know not all of them must use a Vpn but just unsure , it will be much easier to just use a Vpn on my main router , my router does support that
Thanks

AFAIK most VPNs allow unlimited devices (up to a reasonable amount) and your router would only count as one device.

 

[goldfritter]

If you want to install a VPN on your router, your router needs to support having a VPN installed on it - not all of them do.

That's the extent of what I know.

@mikewazar might have some insight?

 

[Mossiemos]

Thanks ,my router supports it
I spoke with my service provider and they strongly suggest that i must not put all my devices on a vpn ,only those that are giving issues

 

[madness_inc]

Thanks ,my router supports it
I spoke with my service provider and they strongly suggest that i must not put all my devices on a vpn ,only those that are giving issues

Your service provider is talking kak.
Anyway, what's your primary reason for wanting a VPN?

 

[mikewazar]

Thanks ,my router supports it
I spoke with my service provider and they strongly suggest that i must not put all my devices on a vpn ,only those that are giving issues

What router do you have?
Why do you feel you need a VPN?

 

[crackOlicious]

I dont much about vpn's either. Can I add a question too? How much do they affect you internet speed like for downloads? Or does it depend on what location it's routing from?

 

[mikewazar]

I dont much about vpn's either. Can I add a question too? How much do they affect you internet speed like for downloads? Or does it depend on what location it's routing from?

Factors to consider are:

1. does your client have the power to run the VPN without the computational load affecting performance? if the client is run on your router, your router needs to be quite beefy as most are run on low cost SoCs that will get suffocated. if the client is run on device such as a phone or computer, those generally have stronger hardware that fair better with the demands of a modern VPN

2. VPN capacity, latency, and neighbourhood noise. an el cheapo VPN might have oversubscribed POPs where you have thousands of customers contending for a 1Gbit port while a premium or private VPN usually manages capacity to ensure theres enough for everyone

 

[SpaceWalker]

Most commercial Routers only support L2TP and PPTP.

Those protocols are slow and dated and meant for Business use cases generally speaking.

You will always have a slower connection with any VPN using any Protocol, since more data is added to each networking packet.

The fastest VPN Protocol currently is Wireguard. Not many Routers support Wireguard natively, so you would most likely need to use it per device, not on the Router.

Most Popular VPN providers support Wireguard natively. Since you aren't that clued up, start with Windscribe account using Wireguard as Protocol and go from there.

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[mikewazar]

Most commercial Routers only support L2TP and PPTP.

Those protocols are slow and dated and meant for Business use cases generally speaking.

You will always have a slower connection with any VPN using any Protocol, since more data is added to each networking packet.

The fastest VPN Protocol currently is Wireguard. Not many Routers support Wireguard natively, so you would most likely need to use it per device, not on the Router.

Most Popular VPN providers support Wireguard natively. Since you aren't that clued up, start with Windscribe account using Wireguard as Protocol and go from there.

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While I agree generally VPNs add overhead there are some instances where intentionally routing over a preferable route gives you net gains versus raw dogging via your ISPs default upstreams

+1 for Windscribe and Wireguard. Cloudflare's Warp is also a great Wireguard choice

 

[Mossiemos]

Thanks All for the replies
I have a Ubiquity Edgerouter 4
The reason why i thought to get a Vpn is sometimes my Iptv is not working 100% and some people using the same iptv said that using a Vpn solved some problems
My Isp is Lvl7 through Metrofibre with a 400/400 line
I can add Lvl 7 is so far Excellent ,came from Mweb
I had lots of issues with Lagging in games with Mweb , since using Lvl 7 i had no Latency issues when i game on a overseas server so very Happy and they allways help with any queries
So the reason for the Vpn was mainly for iptv but since they explained it to me to not put it on my main server i am happy to have it only on my Shield for Iptv
Thanks

 

[SpaceWalker]

While I agree generally VPNs add overhead there are some instances where intentionally routing over a preferable route gives you net gains versus raw dogging via your ISPs default upstreams

+1 for Windscribe and Wireguard. Cloudflare's Warp is also a great Wireguard choice

Business wise depending on requirements, yes.

Thanks All for the replies
I have a Ubiquity Edgerouter 4
The reason why i thought to get a Vpn is sometimes my Iptv is not working 100% and some people using the same iptv said that using a Vpn solved some problems
My Isp is Lvl7 through Metrofibre with a 400/400 line
I can add Lvl 7 is so far Excellent ,came from Mweb
I had lots of issues with Lagging in games with Mweb , since using Lvl 7 i had no Latency issues when i game on a overseas server so very Happy and they allways help with any queries
So the reason for the Vpn was mainly for iptv but since they explained it to me to not put it on my main server i am happy to have it only on my Shield for Iptv
Thanks

The problem is with the IPTV provider. If it's a legal IPTV service contact them. If it's an illegal service, you are shit out of luck. No VPN will fix it. There is no way on this green planet that a 400 Mbps Fiber link can't handle an IPTV stream.

 

[mikewazar]

Business wise depending on requirements, yes.

The problem is with the IPTV provider. If it's a legal IPTV service contact them. If it's an illegal service, you are shit out of luck. No VPN will fix it. There is no way on this green planet that a 400 Mbps Fiber link can't handle an IPTV stream.

Nope two factors here. L7 is shit and every IPTV service without a local rebroadcast relay in SA struggles with shit ISPs. I'd switch IPTV providers to one of the few with relays locally instead of pinning your edgerouter @Mossiemos - the VPN support on edgerouter is not for this purpose and it will struggle

 

[SpaceWalker]

Nope two factors here. L7 is shit and every IPTV service without a local rebroadcast relay in SA struggles with shit ISPs. I'd switch IPTV providers to one of the few with relays locally instead of pinning your edgerouter @Mossiemos - the VPN support on edgerouter is not for this purpose and it will struggle

I'll just leave this here.
An IPTV 4K stream requires max 100 Mbps. Even if it's a shit, throttled, shaped mess of a connection, 400 Mbps should suffice. The stream is probably full HD.

Let's see what the guy responds, but I bet 100 mil monopoly money it's not a legal IPTV service.

 

[Mossiemos]

The guy Responds with ....Thank you for all the replies appreciate the feedback