Quick question (possibly stupid)

[Ran]

Hello car people,

What would you consider low, medium and high mileage on a car vs a bakkie?

Personally anything around 100k seems high to me (city dweller and all) but I see many bakkies considered in “like new” condition with more km on the clock than that.
I know that a bakkie/ 4x4 is built different than a regular car but is the difference really that big?

Thanks

 

[el3venth]

I think it is more than a age vs km thing.

As a rule of thumb, around 15k km per year is kind of my line.
Anything below that is low, higher than that is high. And then some middle margin.

So it all depends. If I find a 67' Mustang muscle car with only 100k on the clock, that would be awesome. That means someone only took it out for the Sunday drive every weekend. But last years Hilux with that on the clock, sheesh.

 

[skyscraper116]

Hello car people,

What would you consider low, medium and high mileage on a car vs a bakkie?

Personally anything around 100k seems high to me (city dweller and all) but I see many bakkies considered in “like new” condition with more km on the clock than that.
I know that a bakkie/ 4x4 is built different than a regular car but is the difference really that big?

Thanks

TO be honest, Bakkies would have generally lived a rougher 100k KM verses 100k KM on a car.

Bakkies are generally doing more towing, more heavy loads, more off roading, more rougher driving.

But I am not saying that you cannot shove a couple dozen Kak heavy kitchen Tiles at the back of your Tazz. (First hand experience)

 

[NemoXX7]

Agree with @el3venth , divide the total mileage by years and get a figure per year, that way you can see if a car has been over- or under- driven.

In SA the average km's put on a car per year is 20000-25000km, so within that range (or below) should be fair.

Not sure if this is relevant but also having a full service history can tell if a car has been abused.

 

[RedPipe]

Just remember each car has a km reading and a certain amount of miles on.

Km reading isn't as important as the mileage

 

[K.I.T.T.]

Hello car people,

What would you consider low, medium and high mileage on a car vs a bakkie?

Personally anything around 100k seems high to me (city dweller and all) but I see many bakkies considered in “like new” condition with more km on the clock than that.
I know that a bakkie/ 4x4 is built different than a regular car but is the difference really that big?

Thanks

Depends on the car.

100 000km on a Japanese car, just warmed up.
100 000km on a German car, enjoy being poor.

 

[Ran]

Just remember each car has a km reading and a certain amount of miles on.

Km reading isn't as important as the mileage

Could you explain this for the idiots? ( gesturing at myself)

 

[K.I.T.T.]

Just remember each car has a km reading and a certain amount of miles on.

Km reading isn't as important as the mileage

And if the car saleman says it's a 2L then that's cheap to run since you only have to put 2L of petrol in...

 

[el3venth]

Could you explain this for the idiots? ( gesturing at myself)

“In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade—which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to ‘How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?’ is ‘Go fuck yourself,’ because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities.”
― Josh Bazell, Wild Thing

 

[Ho3n3r]

Could you explain this for the idiots? ( gesturing at myself)

I don't think you're the idiot in this equation.

 

[Nast555]

So it all depends. If I find a 67' Mustang muscle car with only 100k on the clock, that would be awesome. That means someone only took it out for the Sunday drive every weekend. But last years Hilux with that on the clock, sheesh.

Well, if the Mustang has 100K on it then I would suspect that someone got inventive with turning a drill anti clockwise on the odometer cable.

Well, mileage is important but services are more important. A diesel needs oil changes! The compression is so high that you can really screw up a diesel without frequent oil changes.

I would say a Hilux with 200K on the clock, in good nick, all services done (it doesn't have to be at a dealership and a Bosch service is also better than a backyard dude) and have done those Km's roughly at 15K-20K per year is probably a solid buy.

 

[madness_inc]

Mileage is less important than actual condition and service history. I bought a German box of bolts at 175k, drove it to 260k and never had a single breakdown. If you look on WBC you'll see cars with 80k that look like they've lived a life of a Bolt/Uber and are are begging to be put out of their misery

 

[JG_RSA]

When trading in a 2024 vehicle, in immaculate condition, fully loaded with extras and with 5,000 kms on the odometer, it's considered a worthless piece of shit and the dealership will do you a favor and take it off of your hands for trade less R20,000.

When buying a 2014 barely roadworthy wreck, base model and 1000000 kms on the odometer, it's a proven reliable, highly sought after vehicle that's barely run in and the lack of any service history past 2019 only means that it never gave any problems, so it didn't need to visit a dealership. The dealership will bless you by offering it to you at retail plus R20,000.

 

[RedPipe]

Could you explain this for the idiots? ( gesturing at myself)

Imagine @CharouKojak 's sister when she was 19 years, still so young but so many miles on already.

And if the car saleman says it's a 2L then that's cheap to run since you only have to put 2L of petrol in...

That's only if you're the type that doesn't sweat fuel price increases because you always fill R200 and the price never goes up.

Mileage is less important than actual condition and service history. I bought a German box of bolts at 175k, drove it to 260k and never had a single breakdown. If you look on WBC you'll see cars with 80k that look like they've lived a life of a Bolt/Uber and are are begging to be put out of their misery

In other words they got low km but high mileage.

 

[madness_inc]

Imagine @CharouKojak 's sister when she was 19 years, still so young but so many miles on already.



That's only if you're the type that doesn't sweat fuel price increases because you always fill R200 and the price never goes up.



In other words they got low km but high mileage.

Are you on crack

 

[Confucius]

Hello car people,

What would you consider low, medium and high mileage on a car vs a bakkie?

Personally anything around 100k seems high to me (city dweller and all) but I see many bakkies considered in “like new” condition with more km on the clock than that.
I know that a bakkie/ 4x4 is built different than a regular car but is the difference really that big?

Thanks

Unless it’s a really entry level vehicle like the old Hyundai Atos, Datsun go and similar, 100k is nothing if the vehicle has been well maintained.

I generally keep my vehicles for more than 10 years and some had close to 250k km on it, good old German golf 5 gti that was also heavily modded, no issues except cam follow replacements.

Citi golfs are good for maybe 300k km.

Bakkies a decade ago or more were purely workhorses but nowadays, maybe 6/10 or more are just fashion statements and are driven like cars, so 100k is also peanuts.

My bantam Bakkie was 17 years old when I got rid of it. Only problem was the heater valve they needed regular changing at least every 2 years.

At the end of the day, do some research about specific vehicles. Check what goes wrong.

Many things can be because of manufacturing defects but many things are because of the owners being defective / retarded. Generally engines for example are often carried over / tweaked over different models, sometimes even across manufacturers. Check what specific problems exist with that specific engine, if any as a starting point.

 

[RedPipe]

Are you on crack

Is she your girlfriend?

 

[Ran]

Bakkies a decade ago or more were purely workhorses but nowadays, maybe 6/10 or more are just fashion statements and are driven like cars, so 100k is also peanuts.

A bakkie is built for rougher conditions than a car so a bakkie being used as a car should be in better condition at 100k km than a car at 100k km - right?

Does that mean that buying a bakkie, even second hand, for daily use (as a car) is better value than buying a car?

Obviously there are trade offs to owning a bakkie but I’m asking purely from a long term mechanical/ financial perspective.

 

[Confucius]

A bakkie is built for rougher conditions than a car so a bakkie being used as a car should be in better condition at 100k km than a car at 100k km - right?

Does that mean that buying a bakkie, even second hand, for daily use (as a car) is better value than buying a car?

Obviously there are trade offs to owning a bakkie but I’m asking purely from a long term mechanical/ financial perspective.

It depends on what you buying it for. If it’s purely for lasting longer then that’s not a good enough reason as you can get cars that last longer and are cheaper to maintain.

Bakkie are also a lot more heavier than cars, less fuel efficient so running expenses are going to be higher. They are also bigger and more difficult to fit in tight places.

When I talk of Bakkies, I mean the hilux, Isuzu, ranger, Amarok types and not the half tons that are almost the same as a car with the rear cut flat.

 

[RN_MK7.5R]

Depends on the car.

100 000km on a Japanese car, just warmed up.
100 000km on a German car, enjoy being poor.

True, my Fortuner now has 208 000km on the clock and drives just like the day it was bought

 

[Tapsumbong]

Remember this isn't smacktalk

 

[Pynoxim]

True, my Fortuner now has 208 000km on the clock and drives just like the day it was bought

True, but the drivers seat now has considerably more ass-sweat than it did when you first bought it.

Also 20 000km a year is a decent average. Also all cars are scrap, you could buy the most 'reliable' car on the planet but it might have issues that the others don't have. I hate cars.

Cars are very cool.

 

[RN_MK7.5R]

True, but the drivers seat now has considerably more ass-sweat than it did when you first bought it.

Also 20 000km a year is a decent average. Also all cars are scrap, you could buy the most 'reliable' car on the planet but it might have issues that the others don't have. I hate cars.

Cars are very cool.

Haha this is exactly the relationship i had with my Golf 7.5R, loved the car cause it was kak lekker to drive, but broke the gearbox twice and R200k later I hated it and sold it, but still loved it and mis it.

 

[Christohobo]

For everyday cars, think of anything under 50k km as practically new, 50k-100k as mid-life, and over 100k as “back in my day” territory. But bakkies? Those beasts are built to last.

A bakkie hitting 100k km is just warming up, and even 150k-200k km can look like a champ. They're the rugged workhorses that keep going strong no matter what the odometer says