NVIDIA RTX 40 series thread

[adamr]

I think one thing that may be a factor here, at least for anyone running 30-series, is there isn't really a need to upgrade.

Like yes, it's faster and CUD is a thing. But realistically, my 3070 plays everything perfectly. So besides being a poor pleb, there isn't really much to be gained from a better GPU yet. I imagine anyone with a 3080 or above would be hard pressed to notice much actual improvement to their gameplay experience, except perhaps in 4K Ultra or something like that. 30-series is just really good so the gains are there on paper but in practice, I'm not so sure it's necessary.

100% in this same boat … I was amped for 30 series but not feeling the love for the 40 series

 

[superrob]

Again all this talk of 30 series and 2080Ti's are still just there with 3070/3070Ti performance plus can run everything still perfectly okay unless 4k or higher for the most part hell I've tested a 1060 3gb on Cyberpunk with the help of FSR and it's nearly an OK experience for those with no funds.

Still waiting on realistic local pricing as talk from little birdies on the pricing has been interesting thus far on the 4090s.

 

[J37]

Out of curiosity, what games are you guys playing?

I mostly play multiplayer/FPS games, and struggle to justify an upgrade just based off the games I play. If I see a 4080 (16GB) / 4090 at a decent price I might grab one, although it would really be wasted on me. I'm not much of a graphics snob, more an FPS snob so I will never have an issue with lowering graphics quality to get more FPS. Might get shot for saying this, I prefer single player games on PS5, sitting on a couch and chilling.

Still on the fence though.

 

[dainluke]

Whatever @affxct says, don't believe him, he's already doing the AM5 switch, didn't even last a week.

I kinda got 'lucky' not sure I'd call it that because I got the board due to bad things befalling someone else. I'm not sure if it's going to happen though. People don't like Alder Lake, so if my stuff doesn't sell in the next couple weeks I'll have to sell the X670 board.

 

[goldfritter]

Out of curiosity, what games are you guys playing?

I mostly play multiplayer/FPS games, and struggle to justify an upgrade just based off the games I play. If I see a 4080 (16GB) / 4090 at a decent price I might grab one, although it would really be wasted on me. I'm not much of a graphics snob, more an FPS snob so I will never have an issue with lowering graphics quality to get more FPS. Might get shot for saying this, I prefer single player games on PS5, sitting on a couch and chilling.

Still on the fence though.

When I was "forced" to buy a new GPU earlier this year (my brother's exploded, so I sold him mine) I went for the 3070Ti because, as far as I could tell, that was the cheapest available GPU that could run the most demanding game I was interested in playing (Cyberpunk) at my screen's res (1440p) at my desired graphics settings (RTX on, high/ultra) at a decent frame rate (60fps - which is fine for single player games but competitive FPS games obviously run as close to 144Hz as possible as that is my screen's refresh rate). Then I picked the Palit GameRock because it has the nice-to-haves that matter to me (good cooler and amazing RGB).

This is the same logic anyone can use to choose a GPU. Pick a game, pick a resolution and quality preset, find the cheapest GPU that gets good FPS with that game at that res and that quality preset. Then sprinkle on the nice-to-haves, and you're done. If that's too expensive then revise any of the above points down until you drop down into your budget.

As for the PS5 thing, I'd probably also have one for games on the couch, but my fingers are apparently too stupid to aim any gun/bow/cannon or whatever using a controller. So I am forced to use a desk + kb + mouse setup for anything except games that have literally zero aiming and shooting whatsoever. But honestly it's not so bad because my monitor is better than my TV.

 

[dainluke]

With how 30 series cards are dropping in price like a stone, I'd imagine I'd have to sell my 3080 for R8999 for a fairly quick sell. Most I've ever added to the price of an old card in order to upgrade was around R13500. so that leaves me with a budget of R22.5k.


If @Wrinkled_PP_Lover is right and it's R38k or so for the 4090, my guesses for Wootware cheapies are :

- R35k for the 4090, which looks like the card to have this gen if money is no object *cough* @Wrinkled_PP_Lover @baasgene @adamr @affxct *cough*

- R27k for the 4080 16Gb with similar ROPS/cores as a 3080Ti, just relying on architecture improvements

- R21k for the 4080 12Gb which is a 4070 that changed its pronouns before the reveal


Lots of money, very tempting to just do what I did with the 20 series - let everyone else be the early adopters and wait 2 years to buy the next generation x80 card that smokes anything in the previous gen.

I'm a buyer at 30K. 35K is just too much given that if I sold my card it'd be R15-17K when the 90 launches. I will buy one but I'll just have to wait for a used one to pop up in a few months, which is what I expected to happen.

 

[brawler]

Out of curiosity, what games are you guys playing?

I mostly play multiplayer/FPS games, and struggle to justify an upgrade just based off the games I play. If I see a 4080 (16GB) / 4090 at a decent price I might grab one, although it would really be wasted on me. I'm not much of a graphics snob, more an FPS snob so I will never have an issue with lowering graphics quality to get more FPS. Might get shot for saying this, I prefer single player games on PS5, sitting on a couch and chilling.

Still on the fence though.

These days: Age of Empires 2 DE lol. Really need a 4090 for that.

Battlefield has gone kak. I sometimes play Apex Legends but every 3rd round get 220 ping and then ALT F4.

I often wonder is gaming worth it these days. R20k GPU's, kak games, no local servers. Is it worth it? I'll just stick to AOE for now.

 

[Oj0]

People don't like Alder Lake

LGA1700 is my top selling platform since March this year...

 

[J37]

I often wonder is gaming worth it these days. R20k GPU's, kak games, no local servers. Is it worth it? I'll just stick to AOE for now.

I wouldn't say gaming isn't worth it, but the waters do become pretty murky when you consider the SA gaming/multiplayer climate. I posted this in another thread, the games (PC only) I've been playing over the past few years and their release dates. Hardly jusitifes upgrading.

EFT - 2017
DayZ - 2013
Warzone - 2020
Super people - Full game is unreleased
PUBG - 2017
BF2042 - 2021
Rust - 2013
Squad - 2015
CSGO - 2012

 

[dainluke]

LGA1700 is my top selling platform since March this year...

That's all well and good, on the second hand market it's been hard to sell for many people though. Boards and chips and D5 just don't seem to sell unless the deal is an extreme low ball. Anything resembling fair pricing doesn't move. Had to drop my 6400 kit to giveaway pricing before Grizzle decided he might as well buy it to store for the next few months because of how free it was.

Water-T and I had similar issues sell Strix boards for cheap cheap and my Taichi sold for a price that didn't make sense given NA pricing of $500-600. Also seen 12600Ks go from 4K and 12900Ks don't sell for 10K. You are allowed to say that and I'm not going to waste time arguing, but everyone I've seen try to offload next gen Intel and D5 has had a rough time getting fair valuations for their stuff.

Even can reference Rowen who had to go all the way down to like 7500 to sell a sealed 690 Master and it ended up being that his buyer was just planning to try and flip it all along lmao.

Like, I've even offered purchase threads for D4 ADL boards and my ads would sit for weeks without a single PM from any owners of the MSI Pro-A, MSI Edge or Strix-A. You can say maybe they just don't wanna sell, but like, seriously how little ADL stuff gets sold and how little ADL stuff actually gets picked up? Maybe people who own ADL just don't use Carb or FB I guess.

 

[ThatGuyJD]

That's all well and good, on the second hand market it's been hard to sell for many people though. Boards and chips and D5 just don't seem to sell unless the deal is an extreme low ball. Anything resembling fair pricing doesn't move. Had to drop my 6400 kit to giveaway pricing before Grizzle decided he might as well buy it to store for the next few months because of how free it was.

Water-T and I had similar issues sell Strix boards for cheap cheap and my Taichi sold for a price that didn't make sense given NA pricing of $500-600. Also seen 12600Ks go from 4K and 12900Ks don't sell for 10K. You are allowed to say that and I'm not going to waste time arguing, but everyone I've seen try to offload next gen Intel and D5 has had a rough time getting fair valuations for their stuff.

Even can reference Rowen who had to go all the way down to like 7500 to sell a sealed 690 Master and it ended up being that his buyer was just planning to try and flip it all along lmao.

Like, I've even offered purchase threads for D4 ADL boards and my ads would sit for weeks without a single PM from any owners of the MSI Pro-A, MSI Edge or Strix-A. You can say maybe they just don't wanna sell, but like, seriously how little ADL stuff gets sold and how little ADL stuff actually gets picked up? Maybe people who own ADL just don't use Carb or FB I guess.

Piggybacking on this, the only people who wanted my Z690 board only wanted to take it to get access to the BDie it came with and the plan was just to resell the board again.

 

[Oj0]

That's all well and good, on the second hand market it's been hard to sell for many people though. Boards and chips and D5 just don't seem to sell unless the deal is an extreme low ball. Anything resembling fair pricing doesn't move. Had to drop my 6400 kit to giveaway pricing before Grizzle decided he might as well buy it to store for the next few months because of how free it was.

Water-T and I had similar issues sell Strix boards for cheap cheap and my Taichi sold for a price that didn't make sense given NA pricing of $500-600. Also seen 12600Ks go from 4K and 12900Ks don't sell for 10K. You are allowed to say that and I'm not going to waste time arguing, but everyone I've seen try to offload next gen Intel and D5 has had a rough time getting fair valuations for their stuff.

Even can reference Rowen who had to go all the way down to like 7500 to sell a sealed 690 Master and it ended up being that his buyer was just planning to try and flip it all along lmao.

Like, I've even offered purchase threads for D4 ADL boards and my ads would sit for weeks without a single PM from any owners of the MSI Pro-A, MSI Edge or Strix-A. You can say maybe they just don't wanna sell, but like, seriously how little ADL stuff gets sold and how little ADL stuff actually gets picked up? Maybe people who own ADL just don't use Carb or FB I guess.

The platform is far too new for a successful second hand market. Those going LGA1700 are, for the most part, either going low end (where value just stomps all over AMD - you can't get an AMD CPU with iGPU for R 1,500), or they've got the money to buy brand new, or they already have bought LGA1700, or they have been planning to skip 12th Gen for 13th Gen and are now buying boards.

For new sales, LGA1700 had the most successful launch I've seen, and has maintained (possibly gained) momentum since launch. Hell, I've sold more 12900KSs than 5700Gs which cost 1/3 as much.

The correct argument to make would have been that people don't like SECOND HAND Alder Lake, but when it comes to Alder Lake in general, the figures speak for themselves.

 

[baasgene]

Tbh I'm quite more tempted with intel 13th gen than I am with Lovelace, I can already see myself running a 6ghz all core overclock lol!

But alas at 4k it would be a pure waste of randelas.

And I must say, AMD really impressed me. This is my most stable system I've ever had, I'm running a 4.6ghz all core OC at low voltage, and it's been so superb. Purs like a kitten, not a single blue screen or crash yet.

running PBO even with negative ticks is still 10c hotter, and on 4k you don't see a single increased fps because of it.

 

[dainluke]

The platform is far too new for a successful second hand market. Those going LGA1700 are, for the most part, either going low end (where value just stomps all over AMD - you can't get an AMD CPU with iGPU for R 1,500), or they've got the money to buy brand new, or they already have bought LGA1700, or they have been planning to skip 12th Gen for 13th Gen and are now buying boards.

For new sales, LGA1700 had the most successful launch I've seen, and has maintained (possibly gained) momentum since launch. Hell, I've sold more 12900KSs than 5700Gs which cost 1/3 as much.

The correct argument to make would have been that people don't like SECOND HAND Alder Lake, but when it comes to Alder Lake in general, the figures speak for themselves.

As I said, that's entirely possible. But do understand, when I say that people don't like ADL I don't necessarily mean they dislike or hate it. I just think people are impartial to new hardware. Same with Zen 4 tbh. I just don't think people care much for this new hardware given the state of our economy. When people see Alder Lake it just doesn't seem to be of any interest to them or their wallets.

 

[TollieKop]

As I said, that's entirely possible. But do understand, when I say that people don't like ADL I don't necessarily mean they dislike or hate it. I just think people are impartial to new hardware. Same with Zen 4 tbh. I just don't think people care much for this new hardware given the state of our economy. When people see Alder Lake it just doesn't seem to be of any interest to them or their wallets.

Ja, shit

I don't even know anymore - Zen 4 CPU pricing is okay but if the B650 board price is shit I will skip that and get 12th gen Intel (2nd hand), instead.
OR
I just keep my 5600G and sell the DDR5 kit (and the GPU too - just got a GPU for in case I went with Intel)

 

[dainluke]

Ja, shit

I don't even know anymore - Zen 4 CPU pricing is okay but if the B650 board price is shit I will skip that and get 12th gen Intel (2nd hand), instead.
OR
I just keep my 5600G and sell the DDR5 kit (and the GPU too - just got a GPU for in case I went with Intel)

Low-end B650 might be expensive as well. The issue is, you need a certain level of board quality to run DDR5 in general.

 

[TollieKop]

Low-end B650 might be expensive as well. The issue is, you need a certain level of board quality to run DDR5 in general.

There's the thing. I'll wait and see how things play out - shit just keeps piling on that financially it's making less sense by the day to buy these Q4 2022 releases

 

[WurminatorZA]

3080 FASTER THAN PREVIOUS GEN FASTEST CARD, 2080TI
2080 FASTER THAN PREVIOUS GEN FASTEST CARD, 1080TI
1080 FASTER THAN PREVIOUS GEN FASTEST CARD, 980TI

YOU SAID IF 4080 ATLEAST 15% FASTER THAN 3080, YOU IMPRESSED.

SINCE 4080 GUARANTEED TO BE FASTER THAN 3090TI WHICH ALREADY >15% FASTER AT 4K, YOU WILL BE IMPRESSED.
IF IT IS NOT, YOU WILL STILL BE IMPRESSED - JUST BY HOW NVIDIA MANAGED TO FUKC UP THAT BADLY

Seems like the 4080 will be faster than the 3080Ti then

 

[moedeez]

Seems like the 4080 will be faster than the 3080Ti then

Which 4080? The actual 4080 or the 4070 in a trenchcoat?

 

[baasgene]

Which 4080? The actual 4080 or the 4070 in a trenchcoat?

The actual 4080 for sure, that trenchcoat may stand a chance at 1080p but I don't think without DLSS 3.0 it will beat the 3080 TI. It will probably be better at 1080p thanks to the high clocks, equal or slightly slower at 1440p and slower at 4k.

It's honestly such a dick move, the 4080 12gb is clearly a completely different card. Look at the shaders, the memory bus etc. It's a fucking 4070.

That card shouldn't be a buck more than $599. Definitely to help with ampere excess stock.

 

[Marcell1992]

The platform is far too new for a successful second hand market. Those going LGA1700 are, for the most part, either going low end (where value just stomps all over AMD - you can't get an AMD CPU with iGPU for R 1,500), or they've got the money to buy brand new, or they already have bought LGA1700, or they have been planning to skip 12th Gen for 13th Gen and are now buying boards.

For new sales, LGA1700 had the most successful launch I've seen, and has maintained (possibly gained) momentum since launch. Hell, I've sold more 12900KSs than 5700Gs which cost 1/3 as much.

The correct argument to make would have been that people don't like SECOND HAND Alder Lake, but when it comes to Alder Lake in general, the figures speak for themselves.

Most successful launch in terms of money, or in terms of volume?
In terms of volume and I would be extremely surprised, I also thought the early adoption of new tech would be moving at a snail's pace, especially with these absurd prices.

 

[goldfritter]

Which 4080? The actual 4080 or the 4070 in a trenchcoat?

The actual 4080 for sure, that trenchcoat may stand a chance at 1080p but I don't think without DLSS 3.0 it will beat the 3080 TI. It will probably be better at 1080p thanks to the high clocks, equal or slightly slower at 1440p and slower at 4k.

It's honestly such a dick move, the 4080 12gb is clearly a completely different card. Look at the shaders, the memory bus etc. It's a fucking 4070.

That card should be no more than $599

 

[Oj0]

Most successful launch in terms of money, or in terms of volume?
In terms of volume and I would be extremely surprised, I also thought the early adoption of new tech would be moving at a snail's pace, especially with these absurd prices.

Volume. I hardly remember what it's like to sell anything else - LGA1700 is outselling AMD about 2.5:1 whereas a year ago just the 5600X was outselling ALL Intel CPUs combined about 3:1. The Celeron G6900 and Pentium G7400 are the two fastest selling CPUs I've ever sold, and the 12600/K/F are doing exceptionally well. The 12400/F isn't far behind, the 12700/K/F are bit behind them, and 12900K/F/S a fair way behind.

 

[Nickslayer]

Here I am still on my 6700K and 980Ti playing God of War on my 1080P at 144hz.

The only thing bothering me is the pc is using atleast one koeberg unit and the fans sounds like the PTA airshow. Might upgrade just for windows 11 and the power savings.

 

[baasgene]

I'm definitely going back to intel on my next upgrade, but skipping 13th gen again. As I said on 4k I am just wasting my moola. The only reason I will go to 14th gen is because I hate aging components

 

[Oj0]

Water-T and I had similar issues sell Strix boards for cheap cheap and my Taichi sold for a price that didn't make sense given NA pricing of $500-600. Also seen 12600Ks go from 4K and 12900Ks don't sell for 10K. You are allowed to say that and I'm not going to waste time arguing, but everyone I've seen try to offload next gen Intel and D5 has had a rough time getting fair valuations for their stuff.

I think a large part of your problem is that you are, for the most part, selling extremely niche products. The local OC scene is dead and gone, and therefore so is the market for the Apex, Dark, etc.

The number of people who will pay more than a quarter to half their CPU price for a motherboard is also tiny. I'd estimate a single lower end SKU such as the Aorus Elite outsells the Apex (nationally) 100:1 if not more. Only 2-3 Apex boards sold in the whole of SA over the last year (that's all the disti brought in, and it only sold out recently). The disti brings in more than 300 GA-H610-M boards at a time, and has sold out or come very close to selling out quite a few times. I think the highest volume I've seen them have on hand at any given time was around 1,100 (definitely north of 1k, I just don't remember by how much). They have less than 100 right now.

If I look at my ten top selling LGA1700 boards, only one has retailed for more than R 8k. Sales volume on ALL LGA1700 boards that cost more than R 10k are less than the number of 12900Ks that have sold.

Combine price with features which either aren't need or don't appeal to almost 100% of users, and there is no market. The R 10k price premium between a low to lower mid range board and an Apex is enough to pay for the difference between an RTX 3050 and RTX 3080, or a Pentium G7400 and Core i9-12900/F.

The same with RAM - did you know that most of the self-built systems I've seen don't even have XMP enabled? Someone tweaking RAM is an extremely rare breed these days, and honestly the time taken/performance gained ratio is terrible.

Like, I've even offered purchase threads for D4 ADL boards and my ads would sit for weeks without a single PM from any owners of the MSI Pro-A, MSI Edge or Strix-A. You can say maybe they just don't wanna sell, but like, seriously how little ADL stuff gets sold and how little ADL stuff actually gets picked up? Maybe people who own ADL just don't use Carb or FB I guess.

What do they upgrade to, though? DDR4 is doing fine for them, the only logical upgrade path is to fork out more for a new motherboard and even more for new RAM. People don't like doing sidegrades, which is the best way to describe the change from DDR4 to DDR5 for most people.

 

[xplodinfart]

did anyone else get an email from wootware to say ordering was live for the 4090 zotac?

 

[J37]

did anyone else get an email from wootware to say ordering was live for the 4090 zotac?

I saw the 4090 Zotac's were listed for R40K, but pricing has been removed since.

 

[xplodinfart]

I saw the 4090 Zotac's were listed for R40K, but pricing has been removed since.

cool thanks, wanted to know the price

 

[dainluke]

I think a large part of your problem is that you are, for the most part, selling extremely niche products. The local OC scene is dead and gone, and therefore so is the market for the Apex, Dark, etc.

The number of people who will pay more than a quarter to half their CPU price for a motherboard is also tiny. I'd estimate a single lower end SKU such as the Aorus Elite outsells the Apex (nationally) 100:1 if not more. Only 2-3 Apex boards sold in the whole of SA over the last year (that's all the disti brought in, and it only sold out recently). The disti brings in more than 300 GA-H610-M boards at a time, and has sold out or come very close to selling out quite a few times. I think the highest volume I've seen them have on hand at any given time was around 1,100 (definitely north of 1k, I just don't remember by how much). They have less than 100 right now.

If I look at my ten top selling LGA1700 boards, only one has retailed for more than R 8k. Sales volume on ALL LGA1700 boards that cost more than R 10k are less than the number of 12900Ks that have sold.

Combine price with features which either aren't need or don't appeal to almost 100% of users, and there is no market. The R 10k price premium between a low to lower mid range board and an Apex is enough to pay for the difference between an RTX 3050 and RTX 3080, or a Pentium G7400 and Core i9-12900/F.

The same with RAM - did you know that most of the self-built systems I've seen don't even have XMP enabled? Someone tweaking RAM is an extremely rare breed these days, and honestly the time taken/performance gained ratio is terrible.


What do they upgrade to, though? DDR4 is doing fine for them, the only logical upgrade path is to fork out more for a new motherboard and even more for new RAM. People don't like doing sidegrades, which is the best way to describe the change from DDR4 to DDR5 for most people.

Idk, I think you have the wrong impression of my purchasing behavior. I do buy nice products occasionally, but only if the cost makes sense. I did manage to sell the Apex, and not to a memory OCer. I sold it to an enthusiast who just likes high end stuff. A lot of enthusiasts like that exist in ZA. The fact that barely any D4 ADL boards sell is still odd. Upgrading isn't necessarily the only reason. Sometimes people quit PC gaming.

A lot of boards that one might not expect to be selling have been sold. I've seen a lot of boards listed from Z590 for instance, a platform that mainstream tech channels literally ripped apart. I mean tech Jesus calling it "waste of sand" yet I've seen hundreds sold over the last year.

This doesn't answer the question of why the Strix D5 boards, Taichi, TUF D4, and Aorus Master all struggled so hard to sell. Those aren't OC boards by any means. Other than that, ADL is one of best gaming architectures ever released and still no second hand sales XD? I've seen 11700Ks and 10th gen stuff sell for the cost of a 12700K used/more than 12600K used and that there makes less than 0 sense.