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Ivy Bridge tested (i7-3770)

No OC'ing benchies :mad:

But yes, think ill hold on to my 2600k till Haswell and that meens more money to spend on a 6xx graphics card \o/

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What a waste! 2600k ftw lol who wants onboard graphics when you have a 680! :p
 
Efficiency probably better than SB, performance wise, the 10-15% is fallacy, perhaps some tightening up and marginal gains that said to have all the IB features you need a Z77 chipset essentially meaning money must be spent. In Sud Afrika you can expect a mark up too, if the 2700K retails at around R3200 you can expect R500 on top of that with the 3770K.

Haswell is the way to go, personally. That said whether you are a fanboy or not everyone needs a strong AMD processor again, soon we will be paying R5000 for midlevel chips ala 2500K.
 
Screw Haswell, I'm going Ivy Bridge.

This round, IT'S A SURPRISE SHOW.
 
Well yeah I guess but that would result in a Westmere/Gulftown vs SB scenario with a 10k 990X being schooled by a 2600K
 
dont care about performance i just want 5ghz+ on air 24/7!!
 
Not at that level of technology yet, you will see stock speeds hit 4GHZ mark before you see a stable 24-7 full lifetime warranty chip hit 5ghz on air. You can run your SB there 24, though it will go in a week or so.
 
Not at that level of technology yet, you will see stock speeds hit 4GHZ mark before you see a stable 24-7 full lifetime warranty chip hit 5ghz on air.

I'm sure you were referring more specifically to Intel CPUs, but AMD have already released the FX-4170 that runs at 4.2GHz stock :p

There's an article in the FlyingSuicide section, Lucid Virtu MCP is where it's at.

Guessing your referring more specifically to HyperFormance. any idea on the performance gain??
 
lol Haswell is less than a year away..10% improvement is not worth shunting out 4k on a new cpu.
I am happy with Sandy, not once has a cpu before its time given me so much joy.

Also who gives a **** about onboard graphics? lol
Still weak sauce compared to AMD onboard graphics.

Oh and

Lucid Virtu MVP in Intel 7-series to offer improved gaming performance
Again something awesome, but pointless as seeing any of us with high end systems don't experience any lag whatsoever in any and every game available.
My gaming system response is top notch, I don't see how it can be improved.
 
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10 %, just LOL :D Everyone should be caring about the integrated graphics here.
 
10 %, just LOL :D Everyone should be caring about the integrated graphics here.

Yes what's funny about that? You'll be selling you're current cpu at a loss, and be forced to shunt another 2k ontop of that for 10% perfomance? LOL xD

I am def losing the CUD bug..which is awesome.
 
The 10 % which is being thrown around is funny. Lucid also doesn't apply to you if you're using more than one card. Q. If you're so happy with your system why ever upgrade? A. It won't always be that awesome.
 
The 10 % which is being thrown around is funny. Lucid also doesn't apply to you if you're using more than one card. Q. If you're so happy with your system why ever upgrade? A. It won't always be that awesome.

Yeah you're correct but its ****ing awesome right now and will be for the next 2 years.
Then i'll look at upgrading. I am merely stating that upgrading from Sandy to Ivy is a waste if you're focused on gaming and doing normal pc tasks.

We are suckers, we constantly upgrade for no reason at all.

a Friend of mine is running a AMD phenom II 965 with a cheapy board and 8GB no name brand ram with a 5870 since forever and its still going strong.
He will upgrade when he needs an upgrade, we upgrade cause we think we need an upgrade.
 
For power users, we sure have a very weird way of looking at performance gains. The days of upgrading as a necessity in the channel market are gone.
They have been for years on end, approaching 10 years now actually
The high end SKUs are for power users and enthusiasts who want top notch performance, over and above what is deemed adequate. That is the FX CPUs, K CPUs, $599 GPU bracket and higher. 5% or 25% isn't the point, the point is it's faster at the same clock speed with a lower TDP.

Z77 and IB are damn good. I would rather a 4-core IB than an 8-thread SB :)
The IGP is very important, probably more important than your multi-GPU configurations, which may or may not have a future after Ivy-Bridge.
 
please everyone upgrade!
I'm still on i7 930 at 3.3 and so I need a cheap upgrade to 2600k! :p

PS, as always the gaming bottleneck is gpu, not cpu, and software is lagging behind hardware
 
I think I will hold out for Skylake and the end of the Intel roadmap. Sadly they are not addressing a better functional alternative to HT, it is not the fact that intel chips SMT well, they are just fast enough that they don't need to, when they need to it is rather limp. Ivybridge will be a marginal gain for more money, no way Intel will sell a 5-10% faster chip for the same price as a existing chip family, nor will SB drop in price (evident from the days that C2D/Q cost as much a Nahalem and SB chips), Intel doesn't operate like that.
 
Hmm, you're not comparing the same thing
C2D/Q cost as much as low end Nehalem and the mid to high end (nehalem) parts cost much more. Per wafer you were getting less CPUs than you were with Core2. Also since these were completely different architectures, you ended up with lots of different dies at different nodes all costing you (INTEL). With IB, it actually costs INTEL more to sell SB alongside IB. SB costs more to make than IB per wafer. Ideally INTEL would only want a single 32NM line and transition the high volume parts to 22nm. There's just more money that way. Add to which INTEL will keep the same price points where possible, and in some cases lower them, but still give their customers enough time to clear SB stock :)

As for SMT, HyperThreading is as efficient as you can get without investing more space at diminishing returns. It's maximizing cycles really for a modest investment in die area and they do it very well. For SMT, look to their XEONs and you'll see some mighty impressive scaling there. ;)
 
I don't necessarily disagree with the cost/production scale, but Intel will not drop the Sandybridge family now, they will not risk running a single chipset generation only to hit EOL next June when Haswell is released and a new socket introduced, they will likely run SB with IB and mark up the costs. As to the SMT side, agreed Intel doesn't care about desktop trim SMT, HT is redundant in about 95% of games and software and is not a physical part of the CPU rather programming writes, they neglect SMT for higher core efficiency that said it will become problematic when 1) AMD improve efficiency per core of the modules design and 2) Programmers for games/software and OS's take more time in understanding the module correcting the core parking and redundancy issues that are plaguing the BD, hopefully we will see this addressed as time goes on.
 
No, HT actually does take up silicon space. Believe me they do care about SMT and nobody does it better than INTEL on x86, they've been doing it for years on end. Much like nobody even in the RISC CPU arena has better Branch-prediction units than INTEL which on SB have a hit rate greater than 98%. HT is transparent to all software, even to the OS largely so, OS only deals with allocating threads to HOST CPU. Higher core efficiency will result in better multi-thread efficiency anyway. BD is worse of than PhenomII in multi-threading and single thread applications. AMD's BD is performing poorly because it's poor in design.
 
The core parking issue with Bulldozer is non-existant, I don't care what anyone says. If we see more than a 3 % gain I'll be blown away. Taking World Community Grid as an example (where eight individual threads [separate tasks on a per core basis] will be run on a Bulldozer) and see how poorly Bulldozer compares to Thuban, or take SuperPi (which will only execute one thread on any CPU) and see how it lags far behind Thuban on a per-MHz basis... Bulldozer with eight threads will never be much better than Thuban with six threads, no matter how much work goes into fixing this core parking "issue".

An engineer who left AMD shortly before Bulldozer was released said it would suck, what happened? He got banned from forums for being a shill. Fast forward six months and his prediction was almost spot on. Bulldozer is a failure no matter which way you slice it.
 
HT is whatever way it is sliced SMT lite, will never give the performance gains more than the 10-15% it yields at present, this is the reason why a rather dull and boring 2500K is regarded as a must buy over any of the 2600/2700K and SB-e, in reality HT does very little so the i5 is well priced for its performance gains. Sore Intel has the lead in higher core efficiency but it is all synthetic, the end user cannot quantify mere nano-seconds and it is dellusion to try. I don't look at Bulldozer being a failure in architecture as it is as innovative a move as Netburst to Core2, there are implementation problems sure, it is still evolving though the real evolution will be through Piledriver and Steamroller.

There are a few utterings doing the rounds that IB will in instances perform slower or on a par with SB, there are talks of issues with the die shrink and architecture Intel are pushing. The question I ask most is whether IB will be regarded a failure in the same light as BD if it doesn't meet the markets expectations.
 
Bulldozer is more like going from Core 2 to Netburst (er, wait, that's almost the exact situation of P6 to Netburst and we all know how that turned out with a Pentium 3 1 GHz equaling a Pentium 4 1.3 GHz). Innovation is much like ideas, you get both good and bad ideas. Bulldozer was a terrible idea.

As for HyperThreading, with a properly multithreaded application or multiple single threaded applications I've seen gains of up to around 70 %.

Lastly, with BD we were fed BS numbers. With IB there are certain people who have seen first hand what it can do - big difference.
 
Erm, no, the performance gains from HT are varying, it depends on the work load and what exactly it is that's being processed. Simple arithmetic can scale to 50% or more. You can only gain from threads if a program is multi-threaded for the available number of logical cores.
the Value of a 2500K has nothing to do with the validity of Hyper-threading. Programs simply don't scale well past 3 cores mostly.
What you're saying is that a PhenomII X6 has two useless cores because it's mostly the same performance as a Phenom II X4. :/
And what do you mean we cannot quantify mere nanoseconds? It's not theory. for every ms the Bulldozer is slower, it ends up being minutes and eventually hours if you leave it long enough. If I'm encoding a Blu-Ray disk, 2600K will be significantly faster than a 2500K, in the order of hours depending on the settings. It is the reason why GPU's are very fast at video encoding, it's simplistic fpu/simd instructions that can be threaded very well and it scales almost linearly with the number of available execution cores logical or physical.

BD isn't innovative, it's gone backwards. Narrower execution core, much deeper pipelines, higher latency caches, lower IPC as well. How is that in anyway like Netburst to Conroe? which had shorter pipelines, lower latency caches, larger cache, much higher IPC. Tell me how these two are anything alike? :/

IB is already a success, the talks you are reading where ever are untrue. IB is much faster than SB, in everything and if anything is true is that the Anandtech preview doesn't tell the whole story and IB is even more impressive.
There are no market expectations for IB. INTEL said, lower TDP, higher performance IGP, native PCIe support. They delivered on all of those. That it's faster than SB per clock is a bi-product of many other things.
 
Its performance will in the end depend on the end user, yes it is subjective but at the end of the day that is the reason we buy something. I am also assuming you meant higher IPC as in more intructions per clock.

For the BD, I doubt AMD expected it to be the finished product, it is a radical architecture change which affected performance throughout that said Modulation is a work in progress, to declare BD modulation as a damning indictment on the rest of the AMD path through to Excavator would be naive, I wouldn't be surprised if PD is the jump from BD as C2 was from Pentium D.
 

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