Hubble Lithium AM-5

[HButton]

Hey y'all

Where is the most reliable place to get a

Hubble Lithium AM-5​

Thanks in advance

 

[NI∀ƆOƆ‾⊥ᴚ∩ʞ]

Here you go,

Hubble Lithium AM-5 5.12kWh 51.2V Battery

Hubble Lithium's AM5 model is a low voltage (51V), 5.12kWh battery made up of superior prismatic lithium-ion (LFP) cells. These battery cells have more energy density and a longer cycle life compared to standard lithium cells. Product Features Delivers unlimited charge-discharge cycles within...

powerforum-store.co.za

 

[Confucius]

Reliable and Hubble in the same line. 😂

 

[HButton]

Reliable and Hubble in the same line. 😂

Are they not reliable?

 

[Off-The-Chart]

Reliable and Hubble in the same line. 😂

yeah, don't say things like that without a reason why

for a lot of people they are probably a top of list choice, so seeing you say that is sad

 

[AresFaithfull]

On the flip side of this request someone know where to get a on grid or hybrid inverter for them xD

 

[AresFaithfull]

yeah, don't say things like that without a reason why

for a lot of people they are probably a top of list choice, so seeing you say that is sad

My mate swears by them and he just helped us purchase two of them so I trust him x)

 

[HButton]

Here you go,

Hubble Lithium AM-5 5.12kWh 51.2V Battery

Hubble Lithium's AM5 model is a low voltage (51V), 5.12kWh battery made up of superior prismatic lithium-ion (LFP) cells. These battery cells have more energy density and a longer cycle life compared to standard lithium cells. Product Features Delivers unlimited charge-discharge cycles within...

powerforum-store.co.za

Did you see the review on the item?
What is this company?!

 

[Spaffy]

Reliable and Hubble in the same line. 😂

Something wrong with Hubble? I just purchased a Hubble battery

 

[HButton]

Something wrong with Hubble? I just purchased a Hubble battery

You having issues with them and what did you buy?

 

[Spaffy]

You having issues with them and what did you buy?

No I was replying to @Confucius 's post implying they're not reliable.

 

[Phoenix Energy]

PM sent!

 

[Confucius]

I’m not sure about the latest AM5 but the AM2 had serious issues with losing capacity and the support from Hubble was shit. They basically didn’t want to support people who didn’t get a battery through an approved distributor and also required people to buy the expensive cloud monitoring so that firmware updates could be pushed.

Initially, they said warranty is void if bms was not connected and later when the shit hit the fan, their solution was to remove the bms comms and just use voltages.

Even the AM5 comes with a 10 year warranty and unlimited cycles but the fine print says the the BMS only has a 2 year warranty. Like wtf. Why not just provide 10 year on the whole battery.

Initially, all negative comments about Hubble was deleted from powerforum and anyone that questioned them was banned.

There’s also some threads on mybb about them.

Edit: I see the am5 also now use LFP cells instead of the older AM2 that used NMC. So maybe it’s better.

Installed a luxpower inverter this weekend with a 5kwh Volta battery for a pure backup solution, no solar. So far, so good but they are both relatively new in the market.

 

[HButton]

No I was replying to @Confucius 's post implying they're not reliable.

Happy you not having issues. What did you buy?

 

[HButton]

I’m not sure about the latest AM5 but the AM2 had serious issues with losing capacity and the support from Hubble was shit. They basically didn’t want to support people who didn’t get a battery through an approved distributor and also required people to buy the expensive cloud monitoring so that firmware updates could be pushed.

Initially, they said warranty is void if bms was not connected and later when the shit hit the fan, their solution was to remove the bms comms and just use voltages.

Even the AM5 comes with a 10 year warranty and unlimited cycles but the fine print says the the BMS only has a 2 year warranty. Like wtf. Why not just provide 10 year on the whole battery.

Initially, all negative comments about Hubble was deleted from powerforum and anyone that questioned them was banned.

There’s also some threads on mybb about them.

Edit: I see the am5 also now use LFP cells instead of the older AM2 that used NMC. So maybe it’s better.

Installed a luxpower inverter this weekend with a 5kwh Volta battery for a pure backup solution, no solar. So far, so good but they are both relatively new in the market.

You went on MyBB? What is this?! Jk jk
Thanks for the detailed feedback.

 

[Confucius]

You went on MyBB? What is this?! Jk jk
Thanks for the detailed feedback.

In my previous life before I joined carb I was on PF and mybb.

 

[johnny_h]

Fwiw I personally had great support from Hubble.
Very recently I had my x100 have 2 cells that were acting up, Hubble replaced it relatively painlessly. Didn't have to jump through any hoops to verify it bought through a distributor or anything.

They replaced it with a x101 as the x100 is eol. The new battery is working like a champ, and I wouldn't hesitate to get a second in the future.

The gent did say that in future they'll probably request that you provide your C.O.C for the installation to make sure that it was installed by someone qualified and done correctly, which I can understand considering how quickly you can destroy a battery if you don't know what you're doing

 

[thePridge]

The gent did say that in future they'll probably request that you provide your C.O.C for the installation to make sure that it was installed by someone qualified and done correctly, which I can understand considering how quickly you can destroy a battery if you don't know what you're doing

How does a C.O.C prove that the person installed it did it correctly? A C.O.C doesn't check your inverter/battery settings it just says "yo... the wiring in this place is up to code".

 

[johnny_h]

How does a C.O.C prove that the person installed it did it correctly? A C.O.C doesn't check your inverter/battery settings it just says "yo... the wiring in this place is up to code".

It's a decent middle ground I think. Like at least done by someone qualified who did it with the right protections. At least that what I thought, based on the guy who did mine, telling me the things that he has to check before signing off on it.
Sure it's not checking that the inverter values are correct, but it does check that some basic things are in place, like the wires are the right gauge and there are fuses in place and stuff.

It's better than something like only accepting claims from one of their approved installers

 

[P1000]

They replaced it with a x101 as the x100

X100 is LFP, X101 is NMC...

 

[Confucius]

It's a decent middle ground I think. Like at least done by someone qualified who did it with the right protections. At least that what I thought, based on the guy who did mine, telling me the things that he has to check before signing off on it.
Sure it's not checking that the inverter values are correct, but it does check that some basic things are in place, like the wires are the right gauge and there are fuses in place and stuff.

It's better than something like only accepting claims from one of their approved installers

These days a coc is sometimes not worth the paper it written on.

I replaced an inverter at my sisters place recently.
This is what I found after the previous inverter install.

https://imgur.com/a/lfTcd0b

There was no protection on the 2.5mm cable to the inverter cable is just fed from the bottom of the 63A earth leakage with anyway doesn’t have overload protection.
No protection between the battery and inverter.
No earth neutral bond so had floating neutrals.
And this passed a CoC.

This is what it looked like after I was done.
Added a main switch
Added surge protector
Added indicator light showing when grid is present and another when inverter power is
Added separate breaker going to the inverter
Protection on output of inverter
Earth neutral bond via contactor
Dc protection to battery

https://imgur.com/a/6cbnPmH

https://imgur.com/a/opiDZW9

 

[Off-The-Chart]

These days a coc is sometimes not worth the paper it written on.

I replaced an inverter at my sisters place recently.
This is what I found after the previous inverter install.

https://imgur.com/a/lfTcd0b

This is what it looked like after I was done.

https://imgur.com/a/6cbnPmH

where is shot of the open db after?

 

[Qui_Illustrati]

It's a decent middle ground I think. Like at least done by someone qualified who did it with the right protections. At least that what I thought, based on the guy who did mine, telling me the things that he has to check before signing off on it.
Sure it's not checking that the inverter values are correct, but it does check that some basic things are in place, like the wires are the right gauge and there are fuses in place and stuff.

It's better than something like only accepting claims from one of their approved installers

None of those checks are relevant to the battery and it's operation. Those checks are to ensure electricity supplied to the home is according to regulation and protects the home and its occupants, not the battery. The battery has its own management to control flow in and out. I too can't see the relevance of a COC for a battery warranty.
If cells are dying or acting dodgy that's a failure on the battery BMS to self manage and regulate in my opinion. Or manufacturers using dodgy cells to start of with. Speaks to an inherent flaw in the battery as a whole.
COC doesn't vett correct inverter and battery comms and verifies all is operating within specs.
This is what scares me when investing a shitload of bucks in a battery. Manufacturers, distributors, resellers whatever citing arbitrary and irrelevant clauses to get out of honouring a warranty.

 

[johnny_h]

X100 is LFP, X101 is NMC...

Not gonna lie, that's was bit dick of them.
At the time I remember seeing that but needed the battery asap(stage 6 load shedding with a baby isn't easy) so took the x101.
It's also apparently 125ah though, at least according to the sticker on it. Apparently they revise their specs as they make "improvements".

Maybe I'm just happy that they made a plan for me and in 3 years I'll make a post bitching about them not giving me a lifepo4 replacement, but in the situation I was in(it was a second hand battery, no pop) , they helped me out and I appreciated it.

 

[thePridge]

X100 is LFP, X101 is NMC...

According to Hubble Lithium | X-101 it's a Lithium bat... Where did you see that it isn't?

 

[Confucius]

According to Hubble Lithium | X-101 it's a Lithium bat... Where did you see that it isn't?

Both LFP and NMC and lithium batteries. It’s just different materials that they use for the cathode.

 

[thePridge]

Both LFP and NMC and lithium batteries. It’s just different materials that they use for the cathode.

Thanks for the clarification.

Googling said
"LFPs are slightly more efficient and can operate a little better when the state of charge is low compared to NMCs, but NMCs can better withstand colder temperatures."

I initially googled and found "Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC) and Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP)" so I was like "DAYUM THAT'S NOT EVEN A LITHIUM BAT!" went to the site and it was like "lithium bat".

TIL