How are you guys dealing with non-technical managers using AI?

[neilh]

Hallucinations and Dunning Kruger

Using built in AI/LLM as a helper for coding, sure.
To develop a whole new system or sub-system, GTFO

PM me your deets as well please...

 

[limadelta26]

Well if he disagrees or says it's bs, your point is proven

Yea nah not gonna try that with him. I like having a job 🤣

 

[PickleCuck!]

Cannot wait for you code monkeys to be replaced by Grok.

 

[masterwrong]

Cannot wait for you code monkeys to be replaced by Grok.

Believe it or not, me too. It would be awesome to spit out some awesome software with a few prompts. Unfortunately it seems the Chinese are 5-10 years away while the Americans are about 20 years away from that. I'll be retired by then

 

[PickleCuck!]

Believe it or not, me too. It would be awesome to spit out some awesome software with a few prompts. Unfortunately it seems the Chinese are 5-10 years away while the Americans are about 20 years away from that. I'll be retired by then

Don’t worry man, we will all get fucked at some point whether it’s now or later. On the upside in you can still play with the AI overlord during retirement.

 

[eyesuc]

@masterwrong show this to your boss

Seems like you are being headhunted already We should still have a position open, full WFH

 

[masterwrong]

@masterwrong show this to your boss

Seems like you are being headhunted already We should still have a position open, full WFH

Cool popped you a DM.

Seems like the CEO burned thousands of rands on sonnet to create that abomination that used a postgres DB connected to the react and a redis DB for the api? I had to explain why that is insane along with explaining the concept of memory management (which we don't do manually due to using typescript and python) and why it was a waste of time to think about unless we want to migrate our codebase to another language.

 

[Chevez]

Cool popped you a DM.

Seems like the CEO burned thousands of rands on sonnet to create that abomination that used a postgres DB connected to the react and a redis DB for the api? I had to explain why that is insane along with explaining the concept of memory management (which we don't do manually due to using typescript and python) and why it was a waste of time to think about unless we want to migrate our codebase to another language.

Did he concede? What was the outcome of it all?

 

[Thanatos_ZA]

I deal with clients that think they can just use ChatGPT or the like to write custom sql based reports then dont understand why things don't run, or work at all.
Best to do is sit down and scope the actual requirement, like it's cool and all that he tried to write something (and it might even work in a sandbox), but best to get a proper scope and do a proper roll-out in accordance with the rest of your stack.

 

[masterwrong]

Did he concede? What was the outcome of it all?

Ok so some feedback on this ongoing saga.

After yesterday's 3 hour marathon meeting where I ripped every single line of code written by the ai to shreds (Stupid ai seems to have lost context in the middle of a function) it looks like someone coded it by just clicking the middle option on next word auto-complete. He used the ai generated transcript of our meeting (conveniently ignoring my recommendations to learn the basics and break the project up into tiny building blocks and get the ai to generate each section) to prompt ai to fix the project.

Yes, he ignored my feedback entirely and used it as a prompt for ai to fix the coding errors that ai created. The results? Apparently it ran unit tests, he doesn't have a venv environment or uvicorn or python or typescript or nvm or npm installed on his pc so not sure how it did that. And he now wants to deploy it for use because he wants to use it as a scope for the project we are going to build next. He can't even run the abomination locally but he wants us to create a docker file and run an instance of it on our servers.

At this point I'm not even sure why I should give anything but the bare minimum feedback. I spent 40 minutes yesterday explaining why python and typescript do not have memory management capabilities outside of code optimization because ai told him we can optimize the data caching.

I deal with clients that think they can just use ChatGPT or the like to write custom sql based reports then dont understand why things don't run, or work at all.
Best to do is sit down and scope the actual requirement, like it's cool and all that he tried to write something (and it might even work in a sandbox), but best to get a proper scope and do a proper roll-out in accordance with the rest of your stack.

He doesn't want us to know what it does because then we might build it and get it working faster than his precious ai can.

 

[Chevez]

Ok so some feedback on this ongoing saga.

After yesterday's 3 hour marathon meeting where I ripped every single line of code written by the ai to shreds (Stupid ai seems to have lost context in the middle of a function) it looks like someone coded it by just clicking the middle option on next word auto-complete. He used the ai generated transcript of our meeting (conveniently ignoring my recommendations to learn the basics and break the project up into tiny building blocks and get the ai to generate each section) to prompt ai to fix the project.

Yes, he ignored my feedback entirely and used it as a prompt for ai to fix the coding errors that ai created. The results? Apparently it ran unit tests, he doesn't have a venv environment or uvicorn or python or typescript or nvm or npm installed on his pc so not sure how it did that. And he now wants to deploy it for use because he wants to use it as a scope for the project we are going to build next. He can't even run the abomination locally but he wants us to create a docker file and run an instance of it on our servers.

At this point I'm not even sure why I should give anything but the bare minimum feedback. I spent 40 minutes yesterday explaining why python and typescript do not have memory management capabilities outside of code optimization because ai told him we can optimize the data caching.



He doesn't want us to know what it does because then we might build it and get it working faster than his precious ai can.

Time to leave...

If he doubles down it means he doesn't learn and only believes his own opinions.

If this solution doesn't work, who do you think will get the blame?

 

[masterwrong]

Time to leave...

If he doubles down it means he doesn't learn and only believes his own opinions.

If this solution doesn't work, who do you think will get the blame?

Yip I'm actively searching now. Not the passive update your CV and linkedin and reply to recruiters who send you messages.

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

I spent 40 minutes yesterday explaining why python and typescript do not have memory management capabilities

Something that I wondered about just this morning when I heard about the VAT rate only going up by 0.5% I am pretty sure somewhere out there in the wild some prompt engineer has the VAT rate as a int...

 

[Thanatos_ZA]

Something that I wondered about just this morning when I heard about the VAT rate only going up by 0.5% I am pretty sure somewhere out there in the wild some prompt engineer has the VAT rate as a int...

We had a guy make this mistake when VAT was increased from 14 to 15% and he wrote a script to update client databases... suddenly all their totals were rounded to the nearest rand due to the 15 being passed as an integer instead of numeric/float value... took us 3 months to realise and undo that fuckup.

 

[masterwrong]

Something that I wondered about just this morning when I heard about the VAT rate only going up by 0.5% I am pretty sure somewhere out there in the wild some prompt engineer has the VAT rate as a int...

Hahahahaha just thinking about how his entire prompt system is going to explode now makes me happy.

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

Hahahahaha just thinking about how his entire prompt system is going to explode now makes me happy.

It will blow up in the most fantastic way when some random edge case that the AI didn't think about happens and the prompter will just have surprised Pikachu face because it was working the whole time! (And of course the prompt engineer will have zero ability to debug and fix the issue himself)

 

[masterwrong]

It will blow up in the most fantastic way when some random edge case that the AI didn't think about happens and the prompter will just have surprised Pikachu face because it was working the whole time! (And of course the prompt engineer will have zero ability to debug and fix the issue himself)

I spent 2 years learning coding and the fundamentals of software engineering then did a year internship to learn how to develop production level code followed by 3 years of professional experience writing and debugging code. Getting undermined by someone with Dunning Kruger and AI makes my blood boil!

Imagine having to explain why the ai was lying to you because it claimed you can do low level control tasks with Python.

 

[Trompie67]

I know this isn't Smack Talk, but this is still a great opportunity to send you to Wheeler Walker Jr. & the anthem for every crappy manager that ruins a decent job: F*ck This Job