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I'm a Merc fan, but I don't think changing the championship result at this point would make any kind of sense.

A big fine, a limit to future development cap, something like that perhaps. But the Championship is settled, they should leave it be.

Apparently the overspend was related to catering and ill staff - who knows. As usual the FIA is anything but transparent.
 
VeximalZA said:
As a Max & RB fan, I'm following this closely on Reddit.

I feel it depends on the severity of the offence in every situation. You speed in the pits by 0.01 km/h, you get fined €100 - not a safety risk, but you breached the rules. You speed by 5km/h - major safety risk and you'll get a much harsher fine/penalty. You cut a corner, 5 second time penalty, but you cause a collision and you get a 10 second time penalty.

Same needs to apply here with the budget caps, if the FIA wants to be consistent.

I have 2 questions regarding this breach of the budget caps:
  1. Did the extra spend go towards car development or any performance related advantages?
  2. Did the extra spend go towards staff or unforseen circumstances (as rumoured currently)?
If car development or any performance advantages were gained by the breach of costs, I will lower my head and accept that Max is not the 2021 and 2022 champ.

If the extra costs was towards staff or unforseen circumstances, I would expect a financial fine or something like that, but not the championship.

Merc has spent crazy amounts on budget over the last decade. It is clear that when the budget caps started, they immediately felt it and were ultimately beaten by RB and Ferrari. So Merc an Lewis fans should really shut the hell up. They're just salty at this stage.
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Taking away the championship for having broken a rule is an enormously harsh punishment. I think that would be the harshest punishment F1 has ever given except for banning Briatore and his cronies after Crashgate.

That said, a fine would be a bit of a pointless penalty for overspending. That is kind of like saying there isn't a cost cap actually if your team is rich enough to afford the fine, which puts us back to a position where the richest teams can spend the most.

It should be something like a race ban or a subtraction of points from the constructor's championship, either this year or next. Or withholding privileges from the team for development at some point, like wind tunnel time or something.
 
I'm not here to side with any team/decision being made on this cost cap issue. My thinking is that if they catered (no pun intended) for the catering in their budget initially, money from other departments would have been taken away to do so. Instead that catering money could have been partially spent on development. Seeing how close the 2021 season was, it could have made a difference.
 
I'm a Redbull fan... Hard to hear that they have gone over the cost cap, but as with all things, its all under different classifications and Redbull can appeal this, as they could of shown expenses differently to how the FIA required them to submit.

Same follows with the regulations, its how you interpret it.

I feel the best way to deal with this would be deduct constructors points or wind tunnel time, or even deduct the difference from next years cost cap...
 
Spent on catering entertaining Masi lol

But yeah. Imagine something like for each 1mil overspent a race ban for the next season.

Also this can drag on for a long time so what ever penatlies the FIA will impose will it even be possible to effect for the 2023 season ?

Ps, also a Max / RB fan. Hoping RB can resolve this.

I can just hear Toto and Binotto at Austen going on about this.
 
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BLaaR said:
Spent on catering entertaining Masi lol

But yeah. Imagine something like for each 1mil overspent a race ban for the next season.

Also this can drag on for a long time so what ever penatlies the FIA will impose will it even be possible to effect for the 2023 season ?

Ps, also a Max / RB fan. Hoping RB can resolve this.

I can just hear Toto and Binotto at Austen going on about this.
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There's a specific list of potential penalties for overspend. In this case it is classified as a "Minor Overspend" (less than 5% over).

The potential penalties for a Minor Overspend are as follows:
  • Public reprimand
  • Deduction of Constructors’ Championship points awarded for the Championship that took place within the Reporting Period of the breach;
  • Deduction of Drivers’ Championship points awarded for the Championship that took place within the Reporting Period of the breach;
  • Suspension from one or more stages of a Competition or Competitions, excluding for the avoidance of doubt the race itself;
  • Limitations on ability to conduct aerodynamic or other Testing; and/or
  • Reduction of the Cost Cap
 
A fine should come of out RB's 2023 cost cap. Like give them half the allocation.

Or make them give Newey back to Williams. The true champ of RB, not Max. Everytime I look at Max I just want to take flat peak and just give it a proper bend.
 
I'd like to see both the financials and the "audit" work done by the FIA but that'll never happen.
 
This is a very crap situation for F1. Whatever happens, F1 loses. RB breaching cost cap means they should be disqualified from 2021 season. What's the point of introducing the cost cap if it is not going to be adhered to by the teams? If they get fined, who cares, they have millions. Then you'll see all the top (rich) teams breaching the cost cap next year. It will end up creating a bigger divide between top and bottom teams, exactly what the cost cap was supposed to prevent..

OK rant over, lets be honest, RB won't be disqualified. But what should the FIA do? RB overspent on 2021, which included the development of the 2022 car, so that means their breaching the cost cap in 2021 not only benefitted them in 2021 season, but also 2022. Should they have points deduction for both 2021 & 2022?

This is not going to end well.

I would say disqualify the team from the 2021 constructors championship, that would be a massive financial loss to the team as that is where the real money comes from. They should be paying back their prize money to the FIA. It is harsh, but what else can you do? If this is not dealt with correctly, it will just become a shit show from here on.

PS: I am not RB or Merc fan, but an F1 fan.
 
Best thing I can thing of is to reduce their cost cap for next season proportionally to the overspend as well as a big fine or something.

They're rich, but a fine is still a fine.
 
Potential penalties for Red Bull in the overspend range from ultimate disqualification from the 2021 championship although this is highly unlikely.

More likely is a fine, reduction in development time and a reduction in the next cost cap to the margin of the overspend.
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racingnews365.com

BREAKING: FIA release F1 cost cap findings with two teams not in compliance | RacingNews365

The FIA has finally released the 2021 cost cap findings, with Red Bull breaching the limit and Aston Martin in a procedural breach.
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As I suggested before, reducing the next years cost cap for that team makes for more sense, for competition and obviously it would then need a disqualification penalty should they breach it a second time running to avoid teams running in "cost cap credit"
 
you guys realise that there were teams that actually cheated and are actually still in the F1... Ferrari in 2019 with the fuel sensor and all they got was a fine... so i dont think anything to major will happen because the FIA didnt state what will happen, they listed some options.

We all know what that means, it was more like a gentleman's agreement, and they didnt expect teams to go over.
 
Whoozycomic said:
you guys realise that there were teams that actually cheated and are actually still in the F1... Ferrari in 2019 with the fuel sensor and all they got was a fine... so i dont think anything to major will happen because the FIA didnt state what will happen, they listed some options.

We all know what that means, it was more like a gentleman's agreement, and they didnt expect teams to go over.
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Yes but it is all in the name of entertainment, so it's fine.

But ya I am getting Cricket vibes from F1 now. Grew up watching SA and Hansie etc and then realized that motivation came from sources other than winning sometimes... How much money is in the background, through betting and other shady agreements (yes you drive to survive) that influence the scripted narrative of an F1 season?
 
Redbull will receive a mild punishments, at the end of the day since Drive to Survive came out and since Redbull have been challenging Mercedes F1's rating and views have skyrocketed do you think drive to survive would have done nearly as well if they covered the years it was only Mercedes wining no one would have watched it and F1 would not be as popular as they are at the moment.

The years of teams dominating is gone the minute a team starts dominating you will see the FIA enforce new rules to bring the closer pack together.

Liberty Media, F1 and the FIA's only concern is keeping the sport interesting and thrilling to keep people watching.

Max has one the title already for this year you would think people would have lost interest in F1 until the new season but enter the Redbull cost cap breach and even with the season practically finished F1 is still trending on Mainstream and Social media.
 
I wonder why H ASS are being so off towards Mick?

He is actually ahead of K Mag on net position finishes this season, by 1, but that is plenty to show he is equal at very least.

And in the last 9 of 18 races he has scored 12 points to K Mag's 5. And finished ahead of him 5 of those times.

Beats me why HASS holes would be considering an over ripe pawpaw at this point vs Mick who we know takes his time to settle in and is showing improvement vs K Mag and Ricciardo declines.
 
Maybe they should replace Guenther with Ricciardo instead
 
rinners said:
I don't get the reference? Ric big into horse rearing or betting or something?
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www.tmz.com

F1's Daniel Ricciardo Rides Horse To Make U.S. Grand Prix Entrance

Daniel Ricciardo took his horse to that old town Grand Prix on Thursday.
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Trying to line up an Indy option no doubt, starting to get his name out there
 
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