Explain AMD to me

[Pur1Fier]

My old CPU got a bent pin from overstress and shit itself at the beginning of September.

Since then I've been meaning to buy a new rig altogether as I've been running a 3d gen i5 and mobo with 16Gb of Corsair Vengence DDR3 ram. I also used a 650W Green Power Huntkey PSU that definitely needs replacing.

As such I've been looking at the Intel upgrade kits on Evetech (which after reading here for about 30minutes has made me hesitant since I dont understand why there they are not liked).

I'm thinking of going straight for their 10th gen i5 10600K which they are throwing together with a Asus Rog Strix Z490-H mobo and 32GB of RGB ram from Corsair. Link below:

Evetech Custom Computer Systems, Gaming Computers, Desktops Gaming PCs

www.evetech.co.za

Yet I've run into a lot of AMD preaching. And honestly, I don't know the first thing about AMD. I've always been a fan of Intel and the way Intel numbers their processors makes me happy inside and makes me understand the world.

Everywhere I read, it is stated that AMD has better priced equivalent spec CPUs on the market. So with the above link and specs in mind, could someone help me understand what would be the AMD equal and how the price point would significantly shift if I went AMD instead of intel?

 

[Dom]

My old CPU got a bent pin from overstress and shit itself at the beginning of September.

Since then I've been meaning to buy a new rig altogether as I've been running a 3d gen i5 and mobo with 16Gb of Corsair Vengence DDR3 ram. I also used a 650W Green Power Huntkey PSU that definitely needs replacing.

As such I've been looking at the Intel upgrade kits on Evetech (which after reading here for about 30minutes has made me hesitant since I dont understand why there they are not liked).

I'm thinking of going straight for their 10th gen i5 10600K which they are throwing together with a Asus Rog Strix Z490-H mobo and 32GB of RGB ram from Corsair. Link below:

Evetech Custom Computer Systems, Gaming Computers, Desktops Gaming PCs

www.evetech.co.za

Yet I've run into a lot of AMD preaching. And honestly, I don't know the first thing about AMD. I've always been a fan of Intel and the way Intel numbers their processors makes me happy inside and makes me understand the world.

Everywhere I read, it is stated that AMD has better priced equivalent spec CPUs on the market. So with the above link and specs in mind, could someone help me understand what would be the AMD equal and how the price point would significantly shift if I went AMD instead of intel?

Value for powaaah - AMD be like

 

[Nyt Ryda]

This is faster, with more upgrade options in the future (8, 12 or 16 cores and has PCIE 4.0), and you have an actual warranty and not depreciating credit :

 

[Areola Grande]

Only thing I would change with the above is DDR4-3600.

Also, a very quick search either here or on MyBroadband will tell you exactly why everybody recommends not using Evetech.

To summarise:

• Zero after-sales support
• They charge restocking fees for returns
• They make you pay for courier to and from them for warranty returns/RMAs (other places cover those fees)
• Where they do credit for a return of an item or replace under warranty, they don't give full value of the damages item as they charge a "depcreciation fee" (I think that's what they call it). So your GPU dies after 18 months - they should replace it with the same model. They don't, they give you 75% credit or whatever they work it out to be.
• They offer their own warranty which is often shorter than the actual manufacturer warranty.
• They're a bunch of slimy, money-hungry vultures with no regard for the the law and an avarice matched only by their disdain for their customers.

 

[Nyt Ryda]

Only thing I would change with the above is DDR4-3600.

If the budget was higher I'd go for dual rank DDR4 3600MHZ CL16 2 x 16Gb. That would be a really great setup, but it is R1700 more.

 

[Areola Grande]

If the budget was higher I'd go for dual rank DDR4 3600MHZ CL16 2 x 16Gb. That would be a really great setup, but it is R1700 more.

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These should do nicely.

 

[PandaAttack1]

This is faster, with more upgrade options in the future (8, 12 or 16 cores and has PCIE 4.0), and you have an actual warranty and not depreciating credit :

Address this as well:

" So with the above link and specs in mind, could someone help me understand what would be the AMD equal and how the price point would significantly shift if I went AMD instead of intel?"

 

[PandaAttack1]

Evetech is just a bad store, and that's that. If you don't want any hassles with after sales support, warranties and returns then rather find another online retailer, such as wootware.

Regarding your AMD question, I'm sure the AMD boys will eventually read your post and answer your questions, rather than just suggesting components without much explanation. Shots fired at you @Nyt Ryda ! Give the OP some comparisons man!

 

[Nyt Ryda]

Address this as well:

" So with the above link and specs in mind, could someone help me understand what would be the AMD equal and how the price point would significantly shift if I went AMD instead of intel?"

A picture is worth 1000 words, not sure what else there is to explain.

AMD 5600x 6 core go BRRRR. 10600K go meh.
AMD B550 PCIE 4.0 go BRRRR. Z490 PCIE 3.0 go meh.
Price point shifts by +-R728 if you subtract 10999 from 11727.

Even a 5600X with DDR4 3200 is faster than a 10600K with DDR4 3600.

 

[Areola Grande]

I figured OP could do his own research based on suggestions, but here we go.

The AMD platform supports PCI-E 4.0, the Intel doesn't.

The 5600X out-performs the 10600K in almost every way.

The 5600X supports "Shared Access Memory" which allows it to share system memory with the GPU which can provide a performance boost when couple with a Radeon 6000-series GPU.

The 5600X runs cooler and uses less power.

 

[goldfritter]

A picture is worth 1000 words, not sure what else there is to explain.

AMD 5600x 6 core go BRRRR. 10600K go meh.
AMD B550 PCIE 4.0 go BRRRR. Z490 PCIE 3.0 go meh.
Price point shifts by +-R728 if you subtract 10999 from 11727.

Even a 5600X with DDR4 3200 is faster than a 10600K with DDR4 3600.

You could even get a less fancy B550 mobo and save a bit more. Unlike with the X570 launch there aren't really any "lemon" B550 boards.

 

[Kloppies]

If you're in Strand, it makes Wootware even a better choice, since they're in Somserset West. Any necessary support will be right at your door.

 

[Keyboard Kulture]

I'm a little confused with what's been posted here. The OP asked for a significant price decrease to show the savings of AMD, and all people have done is suggest a slightly better performing AMD CPU, Slower Ram as opposed to Ram on OP's original quote and a slightly better MB with PCI-E 4.0, and all at more cost.

Also, if were looking at total value to be gained here, the original bundle from Evetech ALSO includes a 120 AIO Cooler and Marvel Avengers.
I'm not saying Evetech is the way to go here, but no one has remotely proved any price savings at all here.

Am I missing Something?

 

[Keyboard Kulture]

He's asking for the AMD "EQUAL" at a better price point

 

[Keyboard Kulture]

Sorry, I retract the single channel RAM, only saw now it was a kit

 

[Nyt Ryda]

He's asking for the AMD "EQUAL" at a better price point

The OP asked for a significant price decrease to show the savings of AMD

No, he's asking "what would be the AMD equal and how the price point would significantly shift", and linked a 10600k 6 core and Z490.

And this was answered, the equivalent would be a faster performing 5600X 6 core with a B550 motherboard at a price of R728 more.

AMD was slower but cheaper with Ryzen 3000 series. Now they're faster but on-par with price.

 

[Areola Grande]

I'm a little confused with what's been posted here. The OP asked for a significant price decrease to show the savings of AMD, and all people have done is suggest a slightly better performing AMD CPU, Slower Ram as opposed to Ram on OP's original quote and a slightly better MB with PCI-E 4.0, and all at more cost.

Also, if were looking at total value to be gained here, the original bundle from Evetech ALSO includes a 120 AIO Cooler and Marvel Avengers.
I'm not saying Evetech is the way to go here, but no one has remotely proved any price savings at all here.

Am I missing Something?

Pretty simple really, it comes down to this.

AMD, at any given price point, is the fastest. Unless you want to go all-out, max budget. In which case AMD is the fastest. Unless you want to go cheapie with built in GPU. In which case AMD is the fastest.

including a dead game that nobody plays, which has performed so badly they won't even include sales figures is hardly a boon.

Including an AIO is a nice touch. A bit less nice when you consider the 10600K doesn't come with a stock cooler anyway, which the AMD equivalent does.

 

[goldfritter]

Pretty simple really, it comes down to this.

AMD, at any given price point, is the fastest. Unless you want to go all-out, max budget. In which case AMD is the fastest. Unless you want to go cheapie with built in GPU. In which case AMD is the fastest.

including a dead game that nobody plays, which has performed so badly they won't even include sales figures is hardly a boon.

Including an AIO is a nice touch. A bit less nice when you consider the 10600K doesn't come with a stock cooler anyway, which the AMD equivalent does.

Plus, 120mm AIO's are a bit silly.

 

[Oj0]

This is faster, with more upgrade options in the future (8, 12 or 16 cores and has PCIE 4.0), and you have an actual warranty and not depreciating credit :

Don't forget about me

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[Areola Grande]

@Pur1Fier - to be clear, there is nothing wrong with that deal from evetech (by which I mean the components themselves.)

The 10600K is still a very capable CPU, that hasn't changed. Evetech themselves are useless. I would rather pay R500 more from a reputable place, than have to deal with them should anything ever go wrong.

As it stands now though, where the 10600K was the best gaming CPU within a reasonable budget, the 5600X now holds that crown. It also offers some future-proofing options which you don't get with the Intel parts (PCI-E 4.0) for eg.

 

[rinners]

My old CPU got a bent pin.

Yet I've run into a lot of AMD preaching. And honestly, I don't know the first thing about AMD.

Wait, you bent a pin on an Intel CPU?

 

[Pur1Fier]

No, he's asking "what would be the AMD equal and how the price point would significantly shift", and linked a 10600k 6 core and Z490.

And this was answered, the equivalent would be a faster performing 5600X 6 core with a B550 motherboard at a price of R728 more.

AMD was slower but cheaper with Ryzen 3000 series. Now they're faster but on-par with price.

Thanks. That summed up nicely how the thread has evolved. I know my initial question may have sounded stupid, but it was because I was shooting in the dark since I have no knowledge about how they compare.

I understand now that AMD has superior speed for the same price. The video someone linked above did nothing but confuse the sh!t out of me within 5 minutes since the comparison parameters where so far out of my vocabulary that I got lost.

But I understand the general groove of it. If independent items based on an AMD CPU together can cost similar and provide improved performance over a Intel based bundle offered on a relatively large discount off the base items, it reflects the better price point and improved performance of AMD. Consider me sold on AMD Thanks for all the helpful comments and suggestions.

Lastly, I see that fast memory speed isnt the most important aspect when choosing RAM for AMD CPUs. I'm considering the Ryzen 5600X as suggested and now wonder what MHZ ram would work the best? The only reason I'm interested in 32Gb (although 16 would be fine as well) is since I play Arma3 and DCS frequently, as well as EFT. My GPU is a 1080 which was pulling a lot of weight with the 3d gen i5 I had.

 

[Pur1Fier]

Wait, you bent a pin on an Intel CPU?

Well I was playing games.... Then Pc froze... Opened the side with the pc running and smelt a burning sensation. Shut everything down, removed GPU and then inspected everything until i finally checked the CPU for damage and low and behold a bent pin on the CPU socket

 

[goldfritter]

Don't forget about me

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The MAG series was born through rigorous quality testing and designed to be a symbol of sturdiness and durability. Focused on providing the best user experience, the MAG series has a simple installation process coupled with a friendly user interface makin

progenix.co.za

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Hex Core CPU with SMT, Unlocked Multiplier, Socket AM4, 3.7GHz (4.6GHz Boost)

6 incredible cores for those who just want to game. Get the high-speed gaming performance of the world’s best desktop processor.

progenix.co.za

Corsair VENGEANCE LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Memory Kit — Black

VENGEANCE LPX memory is designed for high-performance overclocking. The heatspreader is made of pure aluminum for faster heat dissipation, and the eight-layer PCB helps manage heat and provides superior overclocking headroom.

progenix.co.za

@Pur1Fier if you want to buy something now, buy this.

 

[rinners]

Well I was playing games.... Then Pc froze... Opened the side with the pc running and smelt a burning sensation. Shut everything down, removed GPU and then inspected everything until i finally checked the CPU for damage and low and behold a bent pin

Intel hasn't had pins on their CPUs since the Pentium 4. What games you playing?

 

[Areola Grande]

Thanks. That summed up nicely how the thread has evolved. I know my initial question may have sounded stupid, but it was because I was shooting in the dark since I have no knowledge about how they compare.

I understand now that AMD has superior speed for the same price. The video someone linked above did nothing but confuse the sh!t out of me within 5 minutes since the comparison parameters where so far out of my vocabulary that I got lost.

But I understand the general groove of it. If independent items based on an AMD CPU together can cost similar and provide improved performance over a Intel based bundle offered on a relatively large discount off the base items, it reflects the better price point and improved performance of AMD. Consider me sold on AMD Thanks for all the helpful comments and suggestions.

Lastly, I see that fast memory speed isnt the most important aspect when choosing RAM for AMD CPUs. I'm considering the Ryzen 5600X as suggested and now wonder what MHZ ram would work the best? The only reason I'm interested in 32Gb (although 16 would be fine as well) is since I play Arma3 and DCS frequently, as well as EFT. My GPU is a 1080 which was pulling a lot of weight with the 3d gen i5 I had.

You will be fine with 16GB of RAM. Only game I know of that has benefitted from more is Flight Sim 2020. If you also do any form of work that chews RAM them more would be better, but for gaming 16GB is fine.

Faster RAM does make a difference with AMD Ryzen CPUs though, so if you can, get DDR4-3600, otherwise 3200.

 

[Pur1Fier]

Intel hasn't had pins on their CPUs since the Pentium 4. What games you playing?

I meant the CPU socket had a bent pin. I was playing World in Conflict at the time of death

 

[baasgene]

I'd like to add something interesting here from a Intel man that went Amd for the first time in one and a half decade.

I had the 9900k overclocked to 5ghz. On Horizon Zero dawn I got 78fps on 4k max on the Intel, and the AMD 5900x gets 79fps. Yes its only 1 fps in this specific game and settings.

But what made the whole experience worth every cent and more was something I specifically watched out for. On the intel after playing like 1 hour the game would start giving slight micro stutters, the kind most people wouldn't even pick up. Now granted the game will have some slight micro stutter on any system with an OLED that doesn't have GSYNC in certain situations where the fps would drop below 60 because a OLED tv has an insane fast response on the lights or pixels or whatever, which can give that feeling of stutter when you hit below 60fps. (you can check a review of an OLED here LG CX OLED Review (OLED48CXPUB, OLED55CXPUA, OLED65CXPUA, OLED77CXPUA) and just look at the Stutter category where you would get a short explanation) And this is with Windows Defender Flow Guard disabled which was the cause of micro stuttering on some games like FFXV for example.

An oled with gsync will probably skip that issue, but I got the C7 for now which doesn't have it. Will get a gsync one next year.

On the AMD the micro stuttering was almost none existent, the game just kept on gliding. I can't explain it. I even ran benchmarks after playing 3 hours on the 9900k and then also on the AMD and yes both dropped performance to 76 and 77 respectively. But the AMD just 'felt' better.

I don't know if its micro stuttering or maybe the AMD gave better minimum fps, but I am smiling from ear to ear and loving this system. It's stable AF.

 

[Nyt Ryda]

I'd like to add something interesting here from a Intel man that went Amd for the first time in one and a half decade.

I had the 9900k overclocked to 5ghz. On Horizon Zero dawn I got 78fps on 4k max on the Intel, and the AMD 5900x gets 79fps. Yes its only 1 fps in this specific game and settings.

But what made the whole experience worth every cent and more was something I specifically watched out for. On the intel after playing like 1 hour the game would start giving slight micro stutters, the kind most people wouldn't even pick up. Now granted the game will have some slight micro stutter on any system with an OLED that doesn't have GSYNC in certain situations where the fps would drop below 60 because a OLED tv has an insane fast response on the lights or pixels or whatever, which can give that feeling of stutter when you hit below 60fps. (you can check a review of an OLED here LG CX OLED Review (OLED48CXPUB, OLED55CXPUA, OLED65CXPUA, OLED77CXPUA) and just look at the Stutter category where you would get a short explanation) And this is with Windows Defender Flow Guard disabled which was the cause of micro stuttering on some games like FFXV for example.

An oled with gsync will probably skip that issue, but I got the C7 for now which doesn't have it. Will get a gsync one next year.

On the AMD the micro stuttering was almost none existent, the game just kept on gliding. I can't explain it. I even ran benchmarks after playing 3 hours on the 9900k and then also on the AMD and yes both dropped performance to 76 and 77 respectively. But the AMD just 'felt' better.

I don't know if its micro stuttering or maybe the AMD gave better minimum fps, but I am smiling from ear to ear and loving this system. It's stable AF.

Confirmation bias, you left out the part where HZD ran fine on Intel but crashes without disabling AMD's SMT !

Seriously though, the 1% and 0.1% lows are a bit better on the 5900X, even better than on the 10900K. That would make it smoother.

But I think the main reason is probably the adaptive voltage you used on the 9900K, that can cause some inconsistencies like most other power saving features.

 

[baasgene]

Confirmation bias, you left out the part where HZD ran fine on Intel but crashes without disabling AMD's SMT !

Seriously though, the 1% and 0.1% lows are a bit better on the 5900X, even better than on the 10900K. That would make it smoother.

But I think the main reason is probably the adaptive voltage you used on the 9900K, that can cause some inconsistencies like most other power saving features.

It is very likely indeed, I honestly don't see how you can cool a 5ghz+ non avx offset 9900k properly without dynamic vcore (the benefit being the very low LLC you can get away with)

Lol and yes I had to disable SMT but that is a known issue with HZD, it's even in the change log of patch 1.07 that the game has stability issues with any cpu that has more than 16 threads so a 10900k would most likely crash too with HT enabled.

They say HZD scales up to 16 threads, so I might get even better performance if they actually patch that issue, though I doubt it would be much.