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[For Sale] Custom furniture, woodwork, etc., made to order

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  1. Bela-Bela
  2. Ellisras_Lephalale
  3. Hartebeespoort
  4. Johannesburg
  5. Krugersdorp
  6. Modimolle
  7. Polokwane
  8. Pretoria
  9. Thabazimbi
  10. Vereeniging
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  1. Gauteng
  2. Limpopo
  3. North West
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And some build in options for cable management, would be a nice idea as well.

That'll be easy when using a piece of lip channel for one side of the desk, or even just a tiny lip channel (or aluminum section) riveted to the bottom of the frame. Easy easy. I've got an aluminium supplier not far from my house I used extensively in the past, so it'll be simple to get a piece or two that'll work for cable management.

How much would this cost? I am sure this size will suit most users.

The price was a bit steep, considering what it's for and what the size actually is. I quoted him R1,000 all-in, including the steel section, the top, the paint to finish it off and the labor and time to build. The ZAR per sqm on that is a bit hectic, but it gets cheaper if you go bigger, for sure.
 
think we came to about R650 for the steel and the wood, but since he could have lowered the steel specs, could have been about R500 maybe

not sure how he finished the tops though
Yes a tiny bit more, actually, but he did end up offering a tiny bit more for time and effort. I could have gone, now that it's done, with a smaller profile steel and if you go bigger on the top side, you can buy larger sheets melawood that works well for tops. It works out to a lot cheaper for the size once you upscale it.
 
And some build in options for cable management, would be a nice idea as well.
definitely. maybe even look at a rackmount PDU for being able to plug in lots of plugs.

and dont forget an easy mount for proper usb hubs.
 
I don't want to be that guy, but there is a reason there appears to be a 'gap' in the market.

People want the good stuff, until they hear what it costs compared to a 'spoeg en plak' table from Makro/Decofurn etc.

If you take all the time and resources you truly spend to build a custom piece of furniture, it becomes expensive.

The market you are targeting simply won't be willing to pay enough to make it worth your time, unless you are willing to sacrifice your weekends for R1000.

You are competing with other carpenters, who will make anything if you give them an idea or design. I can recall 5 friends that went down this route and stopped after a month of having no weekends, and then spending all their profit to replace a table saw or drill.
 
But seriously, @Pickled_Dick, send me a PM with what you need and I'll get on it. Speaker stands I have an idea for, considering you don't want them toppling over.
Tons of ideas on Pinterest. I have a set of custom stands. Would've loved to buy from Morne on AVForums, but the price was just too steep.
 
I don't want to be that guy, but there is a reason there appears to be a 'gap' in the market.

People want the good stuff, until they hear what it costs compared to a 'spoeg en plak' table from Makro/Decofurn etc.

If you take all the time and resources you truly spend to build a custom piece of furniture, it becomes expensive.

The market you are targeting simply won't be willing to pay enough to make it worth your time, unless you are willing to sacrifice your weekends for R1000.

You are competing with other carpenters, who will make anything if you give them an idea or design. I can recall 5 friends that went down this route and stopped after a month of having no weekends, and then spending all their profit to replace a table saw or drill.

then they should have learnt how to use those before they started :p :p

but tbh, that is true

we also see that here with custom cables for our PCs :(

you really do like being THAT guy don't you Panda? just like my Fusion thread :(

:D
 
I don't want to be that guy, but there is a reason there appears to be a 'gap' in the market.

People want the good stuff, until they hear what it costs compared to a 'spoeg en plak' table from Makro/Decofurn etc.

If you take all the time and resources you truly spend to build a custom piece of furniture, it becomes expensive.

The market you are targeting simply won't be willing to pay enough to make it worth your time, unless you are willing to sacrifice your weekends for R1000.

You are competing with other carpenters, who will make anything if you give them an idea or design. I can recall 5 friends that went down this route and stopped after a month of having no weekends, and then spending all their profit to replace a table saw or drill.
I get this, I really do, which is why I hope to rather net one decent client a month, than 10 terrible ones. Yes, I won't be priced at Decofurn prices, but that's also because I won't use 12mm chipboard to build a 3m wide desk, because I know it won't work.

Like I said, I'm no professional, but what I've built to date seems to stay together pretty damn well, and I hope that the people who are interested in stuff like this realize it as well.

PS: I'll happily sacrifice a Saturday for R1k at this point. COVID didn't do my household any good since it started.
 
I get this, I really do, which is why I hope to rather net one decent client a month, than 10 terrible ones. Yes, I won't be priced at Decofurn prices, but that's also because I won't use 12mm chipboard to build a 3m wide desk, because I know it won't work.

Like I said, I'm no professional, but what I've built to date seems to stay together pretty damn well, and I hope that the people who are interested in stuff like this realize it as well.

PS: I'll happily sacrifice a Saturday for R1k at this point. COVID didn't do my household any good since it started.
If the idea is to make some extra monies with your free time, I'm positive it will be a success. Especially if you have the tools and equipment already. Making one off pieces every now and again for 1 or 2 clients is perfect. I mis read your intentions with this. Thought you wanted to go 'fulltime' carpenter.

If I may, you could promote yourself as a carpenter who makes custom, commissioned furniture. It broadens your market to everyone.

I've made quite a few furniture pieces, and most of the times the wood alone cost more than a similar piece would've cost at decokak.

PS. I'm also keen on more speaker stands. If @Pickled_Dick requirements are similar to mine it might save you some time to make them all together.
 
Thought you wanted to go 'fulltime' carpenter.
HELL no, thank you. I love working with timber (specifically didn't say "I love working with wood" here) but I don't want to do it full time. I've got a full time job, but I have to supplement it.
 
then they should have learnt how to use those before they started :p :p

but tbh, that is true

we also see that here with custom cables for our PCs :(

you really do like being THAT guy don't you Panda? just like my Fusion thread :(

:D
Sorry not sorry. :ROFLMAO: I was made a realist, not a dreamer. I get paid to be a pessimist and to plan for the worst.

But fair enough, they were using hobby tools to do production work. They weren't going to last either way.
 
yeah see, that is why there already are some places that do these like "custom" desks like decokak, who can buy their materials in bulk and make use of it all

doing small projects or once of designs, tend to make you have to get specific sized stuff from the get go so that there is little to no waste from the get-go,

or if you are smart, you can try and incorporate the left over pieces into the design

so @Toxxyc , whos project are you coming to MIG weld here by me? :p
 
I've actually considered getting a new welding machine, TBH. I have an old small oil cooler welder that works amazingly, but it takes a lot of flap disking to get the welds smooth when I'm done. I don't think I'll buy an inverter welder for myself (like I always planned to) but will go MIG straight. Perhaps in the not too distant future I'll take you up on that offer to see what MIG is really about!
 
Prepare thyself for long post - you have been warned, but I hope this helps someone; (No TLDR)

I was in the business of manufacturing custom wood furniture for 6 years – last 2 years I been very grateful for driving a desk again (drafting work for a civil engineering company specializing in traffic engineering).

@PandaAttack1 is 100% correct with why so many guys and girls think a “gap” exists in the market. I’d like to add a few things you just HAVE to take into consideration before you do go down this path (fuck I’ve desperately tried to help 2 separate individuals with this same advice, and I can see their worlds slowly falling apart because they obviously reckon I have no fucking clue what I’m talking about – whereas if they had just followed my advice they might still have a fighting chance to change the course they are on.

You are not selling your product – you are literally selling your time.

There’s a silly little formula amongst some of the players in this game. Unit Price = Cost of Material x 2.5 (some guys use x3) assuming this will cover all overheads and give them little bit of a profit margin. Often, costing this way will result in pushing you in the red (without realizing it) – other times it will get very close to break even and, on a few occasions, it might bring in a profit.

The RIGHT way to cost your items, according to me is below;

Figure out your target hour rate. Using this thread as guide, you indicated this would be more of a side hustle to bring in a little extra every month. How much extra per month? You need to be realistic and brutally honest when figuring this out. Do this wrong and you are wasting your time off the bat. Let’s say R4000/month for the sake of my “lecture”.

How many hours would you have at your disposal every month for the side hustle? Let’s assume 10 hours every weekend for 4 weeks for a total of 40 hours.

That brings your hourly rate to R100/hour. You have 40 hours sitting on your shelf at the start of every month – it is these hours you are trying to sell not your “product”.

I realize this is a very simplified example.

My hourly rate had to cover all fixed monthly expenses – rent, insurance, salaries, fuel, phone, marketing etc. My hourly rate was sitting at about R800/hour before I shut the company down.



Why “custom” is a slippery slope and your own product is king
Every custom piece has additional time overheads attached to it – even before you have lift a tool from the bench.

Consultation (1hour), drawing up plans and revisions (1-3 hours), new bill of quantities for materials, prototyping etc. etc. These hours add up frighteningly quick – and you need to bill them. If not, you are the one paying your customer so you can keep “busy” for his benefit.

On average a custom piece added about 5-10 man-hours to my cost (i.e.R3200 - R6400 before I even ordered a piece of lumber or sandpaper at my R800/hr. rate)

With enough time and experience/skill it becomes easier to “ballpark” an estimate of hours for a custom project. But you must monitor and log your times like a fucking hawk to ensure you do not exceed the time you have allocated for your custom project – otherwise you are bleeding.

Selling your own pieces (i.e., non-custom) saved my customers a bunch of money right out of the gate. My plans, jigs and bills of quantities were ready to go, and I could hit the floor running as soon as the deposit hit the account.

To this day I know I can take raw lumber and turn it into an 8-seater table in 8-12 hours total (from the moment the lumber hits my workshop floor – to final product).

Where MY profits came from

My bread and butter were my “hours”. If I sold my quota of hours every month the lights would stay on, my staff and I were paid our salaries, and all was good – BUT that would just break us even.

My profits came from a 20% markup on the raw materials (don’t forget to include your sundries, which is often overlooked, nuts, bolts, screws, fixtures, sandpaper and paint aren’t free).

Summary

Get your costing spot on or you will waste your time.

You are selling hours (not products) so every minute must be tracked/billed for (including your consult times and driving to pick up supplies)

Put a reasonable markup on your raw materials for the “jam”.

Using this thread as an example

Custom Desk
Design 1.5hr
Consultation 0.5hr
Build Time 5.0hr
Total 7.0hr (@ R100/hr = R700)

Steel R400
Wood R300
Paint R100
Nuts Bolts R100
Material Total R900
Markup 20% R180

Final Desk Price
R1580 (R700 + R700 + R180)**

** LOL I fucked it up! R1780 total (R700+R900+R180)
 
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You might think this post is long, but it's useful. You're pretty much exactly where I priced myself. I know I don't sell products, I sell my time. This is why, when I quoted for the PC stand, I quoted the guy on the raw materials, delivered to my door. I calculated it very very close to how you did it. Steel costs Rx, wood costs Rx, paint costs Rx.

I didn't quote on welding rods or flap discs or cutting cost, but I knew it beforehand and I was OK with it. Then, after all this cost was calculated, I quoted him a figure for time, which he wasn't happy with (he said it wasn't enough).

Looking back, I tend to agree with him. Like I said, I'm no pro, and it took me a good full afternoon of measuring and cutting and welding and sanding to get the frame done. So yes, I'm selling my time, and I'm OK with it. What's shocking is not what I charge for my time, it's what raw materials cost, though.
 
I thumb sucked these numbers - please bear that in mind.
Yes correct but you came close to what it ended up for my small project anyway. I learned a boatload though, so I'll continue doing the same, for now at least.
 
You might think this post is long, but it's useful. You're pretty much exactly where I priced myself. I know I don't sell products, I sell my time. This is why, when I quoted for the PC stand, I quoted the guy on the raw materials, delivered to my door. I calculated it very very close to how you did it. Steel costs Rx, wood costs Rx, paint costs Rx.

I didn't quote on welding rods or flap discs or cutting cost, but I knew it beforehand and I was OK with it. Then, after all this cost was calculated, I quoted him a figure for time, which he wasn't happy with (he said it wasn't enough).

Looking back, I tend to agree with him. Like I said, I'm no pro, and it took me a good full afternoon of measuring and cutting and welding and sanding to get the frame done. So yes, I'm selling my time, and I'm OK with it. What's shocking is not what I charge for my time, it's what raw materials cost, though.
Raw materials, on a piece-by-piece basis is horrifying in terms of cost. I used to chip in with other woodworkers and we'd buy bulk lots of lumber between 3 or 4 guys - this saved us between 30%-45% compared to "break bundle" prices.

I'm also a strong advocate that if you are going to make 1 piece try to make 3 additional at the same time - it brings down your overall production time by a huge margin (once your crosscut length is set up, it takes you 20 seconds extra to cut 3 more pieces of the same). Yes you sit with more stock on your your floor and more raw material, but in terms of "hours" those extra units were made at a fraction of the cost of just doing a single unit - and you can sell them at the "normal price".

Always try an bulk up where you can. I saved thousands of rands by buying the best glue on the market in 20L batches then filing my shop bottles from the drums. Titebond (R430 per litre) but if I bought 20L for R2300. Saved me shit tons of money in my laminations and I've never had lamination failures EVER.
 
Yeah I saw that first-hand. On steel, not so much, because lengths can be used later anyway, but timber, goodness me... This is where it counts up. On a regular desktop the frigging Melaboard going on top is more expensive than the steel and the welding and the paint in the rest of the whole thing.

So yes I'm hoping I'll get a few orders at first so I can split the cost of some of the stuff.
 
Boardmaster
KT Board Cutting are right next to Boardmaster.

Next order buy a full sheet and make 4 desks instead of 1. You'll thank me later.

On occasions where I did sheet work, I would order/buy from Boardmaster and ask them to carry it over to KT Board. KT Board would then cut and edge my order and call me when ready for collection. Be warned collecting at KT Board can take forever and a day - they are crazy busy. They are quick and good with cutting and edging, but their admin and logistics for collection sucks.
 
I drive past Boardmaster often to go pick up stock for my beers anyway. Thanks for that.
 
Yup @rinners it's been discussed above as well. I'm going to be working on a possibility, but lots of research has to be done first!
 

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