Bottleneck question

[Novawhite420]

The motherboard is fine. Intel did some money grabbing, by pushing a new generation of boards where the current ones are capable of running Coffee Lake CPUs.

So there is a difference in a Lga 1151 and a Coffee Lake Lga 1152?

 

[rinners]

So there is a difference in a Lga 1151 and a Coffee Lake Lga 1152?

Coffee Lake is LGA 1151 as well.

 

[rinners]

Why not just look out for a 7700K, I'm sure it would be a good pairing with the 2060S (without ray tracing)

 

[Novawhite420]

Coffee Lake is LGA 1151 as well.

Ok, explain please. So I have a B250M, Lga 1151 socket, why can't I go from a i7 7700 to a i7 9600k?

 

[Novawhite420]

Why not just look out for a 7700K, I'm sure it would be a good pairing with the 2060S (without ray tracing)

Would a K edition really make that big of a difference?

 

[natpoeper]

Thanks for the effort. So what are you suggesting? That the i7 7700 could be ok paired with a 2060 but the ram could also be a key player in the loss of performance?

He's saying, don't worry about it - the right time to upgrade is when you feel the current setup isn't giving you the performance you need in the applications you want. There's no need to upgrade because you're worried your parts are bottlenecking each other.

And don't worry about RAM either, as long as you have at least two sticks and at least 16gb in total, you'll be fine (you can sometimes get a few more % with faster RAM but not with your current system).

 

[natpoeper]

Would a K edition really make that big of a difference?

No, a few % at most.

 

[Novawhite420]

He's saying, don't worry about it - the right time to upgrade is when you feel the current setup isn't giving you the performance you need in the applications you want. There's no need to upgrade because you're worried your parts are bottlenecking each other.

And don't worry about RAM either, as long as you have at least two sticks and at least 16gb in total, you'll be fine (you can sometimes get a few more % with faster RAM but not with your current system).

Cool thank you!

 

[rinners]

Ok, explain please. So I have a B250M, Lga 1151 socket, why can't I go from a i7 7700 to a i7 9600k?

Intel says no. Some clever private individuals put the micro code for the coffee lake CPUs into some mothers boards bioses. So if you can find a bios for that board somewhere on the etherweb then you might have a shot. It's not standard practise and there is high chance of bricking the board

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[PandaAttack1]

What I learned in these 3 days of studying the 2060 for bottlenecking issues is to test it on your rig. No one can determine how the gpu will react in your rig because not everyone always runs the exact same setup.

You misunderstand my post. I cringe when someone is concerned about bottlenecking. Because it doesn't matter nearly as much as people give it credit for... Edit: Just for clarity; I don't have a problem with you asking for advice on the topic or choosing the correct upgrade path, it just saddens my heart when people pay so much attention to this.

As long as you have a somewhat balanced system, it all depends on what you are doing with you computer and what you're playing. Some games are CPU bound, some games are more dependent on GPU. Goldfritter explained it well.

YoU caNt pAiR a 3090 wItH a 4770k. ThE cPu will BottLeNecK tHe GPu sO mUcH! Proceeds to run stable diffusion at 98% utilisation.

 

[heinreich]

Oh god. Toasterboy is back with his "ram speed gospel".

 

[Novawhite420]

You misunderstand my post. I cringe when someone is concerned about bottlenecking. Because it doesn't matter nearly as much as people give it credit for... Edit: Just for clarity; I don't have a problem with you asking for advice on the topic or choosing the correct upgrade path, it just saddens my heart when people pay so much attention to this.

As long as you have a somewhat balanced system, it all depends on what you are doing with you computer and what you're playing. Some games are CPU bound, some games are more dependent on GPU. Goldfritter explained it well.

YoU caNt pAiR a 3090 wItH a 4770k. ThE cPu will BottLeNecK tHe GPu sO mUcH! Proceeds to run stable diffusion at 98% utilisation.

No offense taken, I understand. I might over reacted on the topic. But as I said, the 2060 is installed and have not encountered any disappointments yet.

 

[heinreich]

Very simply put, think of bottlenecking in relation to a reference point; that being a moving target (i.e. different games/engines, different resolutions).
And like you said, comparing one system to any other is a bit superfluous as the configuration (both on a hardware, software and settings level) will vary extensively.

So you're trying to match one moving target with another? A bit dof. Rule of thumb for the current state of hardware is having a cpu with 4 Cores or more that can boost to about 4ghz or more. Then whatever GPU you add to that just opens up the ceiling in terms of playable frames at desired resolution.

Anything else is nitpicking or people watching too many YouTube tryhards.

 

[Switch]

Oh god. Toasterboy is back with his "ram speed gospel".

I haven't said anything?? I'm literally the official carb toaster, it's on my profile.

 

[PandaAttack1]

Very simply put, think of bottlenecking in relation to a reference point; that being a moving target (i.e. different games/engines, different resolutions).
And like you said, comparing one system to any other is a bit superfluous as the configuration (both on a hardware, software and settings level) will vary extensively.

So you're trying to match one moving target with another? A bit dof. Rule of thumb for the current state of hardware is having a cpu with 4 Cores or more that can boost to about 4ghz or more. Then whatever GPU you add to that just opens up the ceiling in terms of playable frames at desired resolution.

Anything else is nitpicking or people watching too many YouTube tryhards.

This is pretty much a good rule of thumb.

My upgrade path as always been pretty much: New CPU/Mobo every 4-6 years. New GPU every 2-3 years. Then I buy a bit above the bang-for-buck and I'm good on almost all new titles. Ez pz. Only time this changed for me is when that 5800X3D doodah came out and I moved over to camp AMD. Think she will last me for a good few more years. My heart yearns for a 4080... Might upgrade my 3080 when the new gen comes out and 4080's drop in price.

 

[Novawhite420]

This is pretty much a good rule of thumb.

My upgrade path as always been pretty much: New CPU/Mobo every 4-6 years. New GPU every 2-3 years. Then I buy a bit above the bang-for-buck and I'm good on almost all new titles. Ez pz. Only time this changed for me is when that 5800X3D doodah came out and I moved over to camp AMD. Think she will last me for a good few more years. My heart yearns for a 4080... Might upgrade my 3080 when the new gen comes out and 4080's drop in price.

Kinda the best option, the 3080 is still good enough for todays AAA's.

 

[heinreich]

I haven't said anything?? I'm literally the official carb toaster, it's on my profile.

Lol not you.

And he was toasterboy long before you even knew about toasters.

 

[heinreich]

Kinda the best option, the 3080 is still good enough for todays AAA's.

Again, the question becomes; what resolution do you wanna play and what would be your accepted framerate? Because the 3080 works lekker, then you get into 4k @ 120hz-144hz. And the only way you're getting even near that on recent titles is with DLSS etc.

So "bottlenecking" is for most part a relative measurement. Unless you're running a celeron or pentium, don't worry about it too much. Even the latest i3 (12th Gen and up) are quite friggin' decent.

 

[Novawhite420]

Again, the question becomes; what resolution do you wanna play and what would be your accepted framerate? Because the 3080 works lekker, then you get into 4k @ 120hz-144hz. And the only way you're getting even near that on recent titles is with DLSS etc.

So "bottlenecking" is for most part a relative measurement. Unless you're running a celeron or pentium, don't worry about it too much. Even the latest i3 (12th Gen and up) are quite friggin' decent.

I am happy with 1080p 60hz, might go as high as 1080p 144hz. Reason being I have never experienced 1440p or 4k so doesn't bother me.

 

[PandaAttack1]

Kinda the best option, the 3080 is still good enough for todays AAA's.

Tsek, best option is 4090 and an Odyssey Ark. 😭

 

[heinreich]

Reason being I have never experienced 1440p or 4k so doesn't bother me.

Don't go there 🫣
You won't be able to go back

 

[Novawhite420]

Don't go there 🫣
You won't be able to go back

That is my fear, the main reason I am staying away.

 

[TheJudge]

That is my fear, the main reason I am staying away.

RX 6600 XT owner here. 1080p crew checking in. 😎

 

[Wolfeh]

I'd also take this site with a big pinch of salt. On their About page they say they determine performance by taking data from other review sites, which is dodgy in the first place, as you're using data already analysed and presented rather than raw data. I doubt any of those sites have actually tested a 7700 with a 2060 in the first place, never mind in all those games.

So it's basically a thumbsuck, same as the Bottleneck Calculator site.

I agree, but it seems to me to be one of the better estimators around.

No site can have tested all variations.

 

[Wolfeh]

@Novawhite420 Out of curiosity, now that you have the card installed, how does that estimator fare vs your experience (if you slug your gpu/cpu in there)?

 

[Novawhite420]

@Novawhite420 Out of curiosity, now that you have the card installed, how does that estimator fare vs your experience (if you slug your gpu/cpu in there)?

I have not played any of the games listed on the estimator, but if I do I will let you know.

 

[Wolfeh]

I guess since they only list 100+ of the most popular games from 2009 to present, there might not be any overlap. 😅

 

[Rivesh]

My 2c based on my experience.

I had a i7 8700 with 4x4gb DDR4 2666mhz paired with a RTX 2070 gaming @1080x2560 resolution, I had experienced bottlenecks in most games played, Namely battlefield, Skyrim (modded), fornite and ect. I cannot remember most games I played that time it was over 3 years ago.

I can say the amount of CPU cores, IPC perf and ram config matters a lot even at budget systems especially with these modern games.

Another thing is during that era CPU's where not as performant as it should of been. e.g i paired my old i7 8700 build with a rtx 3060 ti i did see bottlenecks across the board compared to my newer 13th gen system


I would say if you are happy with how your current system, than leave it as is than do a upgrade later when ddr5 systems become cheaper.

 

[Novawhite420]

My 2c based on my experience.

I had a i7 8700 with 4x4gb DDR4 2666mhz paired with a RTX 2070 gaming @1080x2560 resolution, I had experienced bottlenecks in most games played, Namely battlefield, Skyrim (modded), fornite and ect. I cannot remember most games I played that time it was over 3 years ago.

I can say the amount of CPU cores, IPC perf and ram config matters a lot even at budget systems especially with these modern games.

Another thing is during that era CPU's where not as performant as it should of been. e.g i paired my old i7 8700 build with a rtx 3060 ti i did see bottlenecks across the board compared to my newer 13th gen system


I would say if you are happy with how your current system, than leave it as is than do a upgrade later when ddr5 systems become cheaper.

Yea, would probably leave as is rn. I am not planning on running any games above 1080p

 

[TheJudge]

Yea, would probably leave as is rn. I am not planning on running any games above 1080p

Not with that new 144Hz 1080p monitor you just bought. 😜