BLUETTI AC200MAX vs EcoFlow DELTA 2 <-- fk them - Geewiz AC 2200W ftw!

[ViVceptioN]

Okay as the title states, I need your opinions on these 2 units. I DO NOT WANT OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS thanks.

This is what I could gather from my research at 1am this morning xD

BLUETTI AC200MAX Expandable Power Station (2 200w)	EcoFlow DELTA 2 Portable Power Station (1800w boostable to 2400w apparently)
Cost (as of at this moment): R27,699.00	R21,189 (takealot)
2000wh battery capacity (LiFePO4 Battery)	1000wh battery capacity (LiFePO4 Battery)
Recharge seems to be capped at 400wh, so it would take 3-4 hours to recharge	Fast charge and they state 50mins to 80% (not sure how true this is)
Expandable batteries up to 8000w, but need adapters for chargers etc	Expandable batteries (only up to 3000w) seem to be plug and play, can recharge without extra cables needed etc.

I'm sure I missed some other crucial information. I would ideally want 2000wh batteries because I want to be able to game for 2 hours (PC pulls 450wh during gaming load), but the immediate need is to run my laptop setup (2 monitors) for work which is about 150wh, or in the evenings my TV at least (100w). SO technically 1000w is sufficient. In the future, I would love to have more battery capacity and connect it to the DB and have the automatic switchover but I don't have that kind of money rn. Even the R30k is pushing it, but I want something portable and expandable for the future.

Please don't recommend something else, unless it's very similar to these two units

 

[Soul Assassin]

I don't think either of those function as a UPS so while yes they will work they will constantly be using battery power even when there's no loadshedding which is not going to be great for the battery life in the long run.

I would probably throw this in the mix as my suggestion:

Geewiz 2200W Portable UPS Power Station Kit - 2000Wh LIFEPO4 / Pure Sine Wave / 2HR Quick Charge - 3x SA Sockets - 3500 Cycles Lithium LifePO4 (2 YEAR WARRANTY)

Pure Sine Wave - AC Output: Provides continuous and stable power for your equipment Dual-Fan Cooling: Optimal heat dissipation with two cooling fans Multiple Safety Features: Protects against short-circuiting, overheating, over-current, over-voltage, and more Quick Charge: 2-hour charging from...

www.geewiz.co.za

 

[ViVceptioN]

I don't think either of those function as a UPS so while yes they will work they will constantly be using battery power even when there's no loadshedding which is not going to be great for the battery life in the long run.

I would probably throw this in the mix as my suggestion:

Geewiz 2200W Portable UPS Power Station Kit - 2000Wh LIFEPO4 / Pure Sine Wave / 2HR Quick Charge - 3x SA Sockets - 3500 Cycles Lithium LifePO4 (2 YEAR WARRANTY)

Pure Sine Wave - AC Output: Provides continuous and stable power for your equipment Dual-Fan Cooling: Optimal heat dissipation with two cooling fans Multiple Safety Features: Protects against short-circuiting, overheating, over-current, over-voltage, and more Quick Charge: 2-hour charging from...

www.geewiz.co.za

I didn't even see this one! Thank you

Just for me to make sure I understand correctly, the UPS function will allow me to use and charge the batteries at the same time? Or does that mean that it will bypass the battery when there is power from the grid?

Ideally, I would like to have my Laptop setup connected to it permanently without interruptions when loadshedding hits

 

[Vetpiet]

Both of these are great. And they both have LifePo4 batteries which should end up lasting a good couple of years. I own a Bluetti and absolutely love the device but I've always been a bit envious of the quickcharge of the EcoFlow - yes, when they claim 50mins to 80% then they're pretty accurate. For the price difference and amount of wattage you can get out, I'd go with the Bluetti (but that quickcharge is a damn fine feature of the EcoFlow )

 

[goldfritter]

With some tweaking you can get your gaming PC to pull way less watts, if you don't mind limiting your frame rates etc. E.g. dropping clocks and power limits to 50% and locking FPS to 60 drops my 3070Ti from around 280W to around 75W.

Maybe try this and see if you can stomach playing with these limitations; if so you can save a bundle and get one with a lower WH rating.

 

[goldfritter]

Ideally, I would like to have my Laptop setup connected to it permanently without interruptions when loadshedding hits

If you want this, you probably shouldn't get either the Ecoflow or the Bluetti, they are not designed to be used like this.

 

[pɐlΛ‾pɐq‾ƃᴉq]

Okay as the title states, I need your opinions on these 2 units. I DO NOT WANT OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS thanks.

This is what I could gather from my research at 1am this morning xD

BLUETTI AC200MAX Expandable Power Station (2 200w)	EcoFlow DELTA 2 Portable Power Station (1800w boostable to 2400w apparently)
Cost (as of at this moment): R27,699.00	R21,189 (takealot)
2000wh battery capacity (LiFePO4 Battery)	1000wh battery capacity (LiFePO4 Battery)
Recharge seems to be capped at 400wh, so it would take 3-4 hours to recharge	Fast charge and they state 50mins to 80% (not sure how true this is)
Expandable batteries up to 8000w, but need adapters for chargers etc	Expandable batteries (only up to 3000w) seem to be plug and play, can recharge without extra cables needed etc.

I'm sure I missed some other crucial information. I would ideally want 2000wh batteries because I want to be able to game for 2 hours (PC pulls 450wh during gaming load), but the immediate need is to run my laptop setup (2 monitors) for work which is about 150wh, or in the evenings my TV at least (100w). SO technically 1000w is sufficient. In the future, I would love to have more battery capacity and connect it to the DB and have the automatic switchover but I don't have that kind of money rn. Even the R30k is pushing it, but I want something portable and expandable for the future.

Please don't recommend something else, unless it's very similar to these two units

Based on reviews the BLUETTI ac200max BMS is not good.

If you want this, you probably shouldn't get either the Ecoflow or the Bluetti, they are not designed to be used like this.

Ecoflow has 30ms switch over and states that it can be used for an EPS

quickcharge of the EcoFlow

I've been told that the 1200w charging chows your battery cycles.

Bluetti has 4 year warranty
Ecoflow has 5 year warranty

 

[Soul Assassin]

I didn't even see this one! Thank you

Just for me to make sure I understand correctly, the UPS function will allow me to use and charge the batteries at the same time? Or does that mean that it will bypass the battery when there is power from the grid?

Ideally, I would like to have my Laptop setup connected to it permanently without interruptions when loadshedding hits

The Geewiz branded one you can have connected permanently, it will give you grid power when there is no loadshedding and battery power when loadshedding hits, you won't ever feel the loadshedding.

The way the other two work is you're on the battery 24/7 even when there's no loadshedding you will still be using the battery power wearing out the battery faster than something that functions as a UPS.

The Ecoflow is really designed for you to charge at home and then take with you camping etc not as a loadshedding solution.

 

[pɐlΛ‾pɐq‾ƃᴉq]

The way the other two work is you're on the battery 24/7 even when there's no loadshedding you will still be using the battery power wearing out the battery faster than something that functions as a UPS.

"When the Delta 2 is plugged into AC power, it passes the power straight through to the AC outputs and doesn't drain the batteries. Idle power consumption is about 15 watts when using it in this manner as an EPS."

 

[eyesuc]

If you want this, you probably shouldn't get either the Ecoflow or the Bluetti, they are not designed to be used like this.

Just to add on to this, we bought an Ecoflow River for my FIL for his CPAP machine (something that is even listed in their manual as a common use case).

It lasted about 8 months before the maximum capacity of the River dropped SO low that it couldn't even last a single 2 hour loadshedding. Apparently it was because we kept the CPAP connected to the River permanently even though standby mode pulls like 1watt. I mean, if you go to bed at 22:00 and wake up at 06:00, do they expect you to wake up first, plug it in, then sleep during the loadshedding and unplug again as soon as the power comes on?

We got it replaced after a MOERSE long wait (like almost 2 months) but they didn't give a new unit, they refurbed the fucked unit.

Long story short: I cannot speak for the bigger units, but what we experienced seems to align with the fact that you cannot use the Ecoflows as a UPS, even though a lot of people seem to suggest that you can. Very odd.

DISCLAIMER: This is an anecdotal personal experience. I paid for the unit out my own pocket to get my FIL to sleep through the night.

 

[Soul Assassin]

"When the Delta 2 is plugged into AC power, it passes the power straight through to the AC outputs and doesn't drain the batteries. Idle power consumption is about 15 watts when using it in this manner as an EPS."

I was just reading that as well, apparently the big ones do have that, that's good to know, so it's either the smaller one or the last gen model that was always on battery.

 

[pɐlΛ‾pɐq‾ƃᴉq]

I don't think either of those function as a UPS so while yes they will work they will constantly be using battery power even when there's no loadshedding which is not going to be great for the battery life in the long run.

I would probably throw this in the mix as my suggestion:

Geewiz 2200W Portable UPS Power Station Kit - 2000Wh LIFEPO4 / Pure Sine Wave / 2HR Quick Charge - 3x SA Sockets - 3500 Cycles Lithium LifePO4 (2 YEAR WARRANTY)

Pure Sine Wave - AC Output: Provides continuous and stable power for your equipment Dual-Fan Cooling: Optimal heat dissipation with two cooling fans Multiple Safety Features: Protects against short-circuiting, overheating, over-current, over-voltage, and more Quick Charge: 2-hour charging from...

www.geewiz.co.za

SAME SAME?

 

[Battletoad]

Hey @ViVceptioN

I also did my fair share of research on these products and options. The GEEWIZ unit as mentioned above is a rebadged Oukitel P2001ZA. Think you can find more info on this model than from Geewiz.

Takealot

Just my 2c in the pot too

 

[Soul Assassin]

SAME SAME?

The housing looks slightly different but the delicious insides are probably the same.

 

[goldfritter]

Ecoflow has 30ms switch over and states that it can be used for an EPS

Yeah but... Would you though?

 

[pɐlΛ‾pɐq‾ƃᴉq]

Yeah but... Would you though?

For certain things like lights and fans, yes. For a gaming PC, probably not.

I have been doing a lot of reading about portable stations and taking delivery of a Delta 2 with extended battery today. So I will do some testing etc and share findings.

 

[Crouchinglee]

Based on reviews the BLUETTI ac200max BMS is not good.



Ecoflow has 30ms switch over and states that it can be used for an EPS


I've been told that the 1200w charging chows your battery cycles.

Bluetti has 4 year warranty
Ecoflow has 5 year warranty

Personal experience - the Bluetti has a 20ms (so its fine for pc screens etc. but would I trust it with my desktop .... probably not)

 

[ViVceptioN]

Hey @ViVceptioN

I also did my fair share of research on these products and options. The GEEWIZ unit as mentioned above is a rebadged Oukitel P2001ZA. Think you can find more info on this model than from Geewiz.

Takealot

Just my 2c in the pot too

Honestly, the Geewiz one looks like the winner 🤔 SA Sockets, R20k, UPS

 

[Crouchinglee]

Honestly, the Geewiz one looks like the winner 🤔 SA Sockets, R20k, UPS

I'm querying now their load calculation because the website says 850w load will last only 1.9 hours but unless its at 85% efficient it shouldn't run that coarse!
Plus 51.2 x 39 = 1996.8 WH (can it really be at 85% efficiency ?)

 

[ViVceptioN]

I'm querying now their load calculation because the website says 850w load will last only 1.9 hours but unless its at 85% efficient it shouldn't run that coarse!
Plus 51.2 x 39 = 1996.8 WH (can it really be at 85% efficiency ?)

Let me know, but honestly, I don't think I will draw that much for that long. If I game during loadshedding it will be at most 2 hours at 450w.

 

[Miz3r]

Would something like this not be more sustainable?

Axpert Type Pure Sine 3000VA Inverter Trolley + 2x 100Ah LITHIUM Battery (12 HOUR BATTERY LIFE) KIT - 3000W (50A PWM SOLAR) With LITHIUM Battery (+-3000 cycles) - 2560Wh

GeeWiz Axpert Type 3000VA (3000W) PURE Sine Wave Inverter - PS3K PLUS (50A PWM Solar Controller) Includes 2x 100Ah Battery + Steel Cabinet + Wheels All cabling and connectors included Unit Dimensions(l,w,h): 45.5 x 42 x 45 cm Weight: 75kg PLEASE NOTE: The 12-hour battery life is based on a 150W...

www.geewiz.co.za

 

[ViVceptioN]

Would something like this not be more sustainable?

Axpert Type Pure Sine 3000VA Inverter Trolley + 2x 100Ah LITHIUM Battery (12 HOUR BATTERY LIFE) KIT - 3000W (50A PWM SOLAR) With LITHIUM Battery (+-3000 cycles) - 2560Wh

GeeWiz Axpert Type 3000VA (3000W) PURE Sine Wave Inverter - PS3K PLUS (50A PWM Solar Controller) Includes 2x 100Ah Battery + Steel Cabinet + Wheels All cabling and connectors included Unit Dimensions(l,w,h): 45.5 x 42 x 45 cm Weight: 75kg PLEASE NOTE: The 12-hour battery life is based on a 150W...

www.geewiz.co.za

Define sustainable?

 

[el_guapo3291]

Wootware has a really good special on the AC200Max, R1000 off the already low pricing: Bluetti AC200MAX 2048Wh Portable Power Station - Wootware

 

[Soul Assassin]

If you do want to get a different one and you're worried about the whole UPS thing you can just get one of these seperate:

GeeWiz Automatic Inverter Transfer Switch - 230V/3000W - The easy fix for portable inverters without a UPS function - GeeWiz

GeeWiz Automatic Inverter Transfer Switch - 230V/3000W - The easy fix for portable inverters without a UPS function for sale online at the Best Prices! Door to Door and Overnight Delivery

www.geewiz.co.za

 

[Badriaan]

I have access to some of the LinkQnet UPS's if you are interested.

I dont know how to upload spec sheets or pictures onto a reply of a thread, so send me a private message and I can send you more details etc.

They are currently on promotion

UPS:
Features:
Plug & Play ;
Reliable pure sine wave output ;
Seamless power backup
(up to 10ms transfer time) ;
2500 cycles’ long life LiFePO4 battery
Built-in BMS protection;
Quickly recharge with powerful charger;
Expandable battery packs as options ;

UPS with built in battery: R14999
RMS Power 1000w
AC Voltage 230 VAC
DC Voltage: 25.6V
Automatic transfer time : <10ms
AC Charge: 20ah
Weight 22kg
Internal Battery LifePO4 1280Wh
Three year warranty

Can add up to 4 batteries in parallel

Expandable Battery: R11499
1280Wh
25.6v
50ah
500w built in charger

 

[Crouchinglee]

Would something like this not be more sustainable?

Axpert Type Pure Sine 3000VA Inverter Trolley + 2x 100Ah LITHIUM Battery (12 HOUR BATTERY LIFE) KIT - 3000W (50A PWM SOLAR) With LITHIUM Battery (+-3000 cycles) - 2560Wh

GeeWiz Axpert Type 3000VA (3000W) PURE Sine Wave Inverter - PS3K PLUS (50A PWM Solar Controller) Includes 2x 100Ah Battery + Steel Cabinet + Wheels All cabling and connectors included Unit Dimensions(l,w,h): 45.5 x 42 x 45 cm Weight: 75kg PLEASE NOTE: The 12-hour battery life is based on a 150W...

www.geewiz.co.za

I can tell you it wont weigh 22kg's and that will make it a pain in the ass to haul around.
But the extra 500+- wh will make it noice for people rocking 650+w Pc's

 

[goldfritter]

Define sustainable?

When the battery dies you can just replace it. The Bluetti/Ecoflow/Gizzu (as far as I know, open to correction) don't really have replaceable batteries.

 

[moedeez]

When the battery dies you can just replace it. The Bluetti/Ecoflow/Gizzu (as far as I know, open to correction) don't really have replaceable batteries.

Or vice versa if the inverter dies, you just replace that.
Got a buddy with a Gizzu power station that now can only supply DC power. 🤷‍♂️

But these smaller power stations are awesome for peeps with tight spaces or who don't have the space to run the "inverter" in another room as some of those fans can get noisy.

Plus, in a pinch you can carry these to a mates for a charge or the office

 

[goldfritter]

Plus, in a pinch you can carry these to a mates for a charge or the office

This is one of the reasons I went for a Flexopower. We sometimes get extended outages so taking it to work to charge and then bring back to run the fridge has been a lifesaver.

And it has replaceable batteries

Only 555WH though unfortunately.

 

[ViVceptioN]

When the battery dies you can just replace it. The Bluetti/Ecoflow/Gizzu (as far as I know, open to correction) don't really have replaceable batteries.

Oh yeah 100% agree I'm aware that this an issue with these portable units, but that is something I'm willing to live with for now. Hopefully by the time this one completely dies I have enough money for a proper solar installation or loadshedding is something of the past (we can all laugh at this statement).

I'm going to buy the Geewiz unit! Now to log into the savings account