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Afternoon All,

System:
Gigabyte Designare EX x399
1950x [was a 1920x] [CM ML360R TR4 AIO]
XPG D50 3600mhz 32gb(4x8)
HOF 2080ti
Seasonic titanium PSU (Although this was an SF_1000 SE platinum for most of this time, which was cleared by Woot's RMA process as all good)
1-2 29" UW LG monitors connected to the system.
~5tb of storage
All the fans.


Had this issue pretty much since day 1, it originally came about where randomly PC would not come on at all even if it had just been turned off. I had turned the eco switch for the psu on since the PC wasn't under continuous load & upon restart, entirely dead in the water, thought it was PSU but RMA proved it wasn't & whilst that was in I tested with another, while testing after about a week of leaving it I saw the eco switch on the psu was on, switch it off & boom, pc booted like nothing ever happened. I'll post a vid or two to show was seems like a shorting issue, when in standby as soon as you flip the psu switch there is a shorting sound along with the chipset LED flickering (obviously made me shit my nutsack out my anus) so I switch off.

Pretty much the only way to get this resolved is clear CMOS, psu off & drain the remaining electricity in the system, remove CMOS & wait like 5 minutes. This shebang would happen at random, but mostly after some time unplugged from any socket completely.

This entire the problem this brings is that my BIOS does not hold its profile & reset each & every time you start the PC, so any profile/OC is reset each time, have to load into BIOS & reload a profile. I then replaced CMOS battery thinking it's that is the issue as I took a multimeter to the board & all the points I could find were at their rated/supposed voltages so I couldn't find anything to give direction. The first replaced CMOS lasted about 1-2 weeks of absolutely nothing wrong & all working fine (Which I thought this was the problem the entire time), I was wrong, did the above once again, identically. Replaced CMOS & ignored xD

Same thing, CMOS battery lasts a week, the only resolve to getting the 'dead in the water' issue resolved is remove CMOS & drain remaining electricity for about 15 minutes & 20 tries of getting the board/system to power on again. Sometime it resets the system time, other times it doesn't. I haven't had this for a week or two now, but the BIOS will reset itself as soon as their isn't any power to the system for like 30 minutes, so loadshedding or any time it's unplugged from wall socket which is every night.

On top of this the system freezes from time to time & the most common BSOD I get is DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION. I'll probably get a bsod once/twice every 2 weeks, with or without MXP enabled as I don't bother switching it on half the time anymore given the BIOS resetting all the time.

I have gone through every thinkable solution I know of(& don't know of) to find a fix, my assumption is that:

1. The CMOS itself is fucked/shorting/grounding.
2. There is maybe a bent pin in the socket?
3. A trace on the board is faulty/fucked & there is actually nothing I can do about it xD.

At this point if I don't get the CMOS socket checked or replaced entirely I'm very much leaning on the faulty tracer as the issue, as there is no visible damage to the board at all, none of the NVME slots, no bulged caps, nix. ultimately it isn't a major issue[unless of course it causes system harm tot he rest of my components], it's just highly annoying that I cannot run OC's because it'll just be reset.

Any ideas/suggestions are welcomed because 'm tired of thinking what might be the issue xD

& TIA in advance huumans :)

Imgur doesn't play sound, so here is an example of what was happening to the chipset LED, as soon as I switched PSU on this would happen. As soon as you pressed the power button the system would shut off/lose all power.

 
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Perhaps build it outside the case .
Of course its a hassle, but could be something to do with the case shorting the PC
 
Perhaps build it outside the case .
Of course its a hassle, but could be something to do with the case shorting the PC
Did this originally when the PSU went for RMA & have changed cases a few months after & it has persisted throughout xD
 
Happened to one of our clients as well, turned out the bios chip on the motherboard was faulty.
 
Happened to one of our clients as well, turned out the bios chip on the motherboard was faulty.
I hope & welcome it to be something so simple xD the shorting sound doesn't help so much though.

This board is dual bios but the secondary bios is a backup bios & not accessible/updatable. So hopefully that isn't the issue as I'm not sure how I'll get to that. I updated the bios to the latest one this week as I saw there was a new release.

How did you test the physical chip & find the fault as I've put a multimeter to it & it didn't come up with anything suspicious at the time.
 
I hope & welcome it to be something so simple xD the shorting sound doesn't help so much though.

This board is dual bios but the secondary bios is a backup bios & not accessible/updatable. So hopefully that isn't the issue as I'm not sure how I'll get to that. I updated the bios to the latest one this week as I saw there was a new release.

How did you test the physical chip & find the fault as I've put a multimeter to it & it didn't come up with anything suspicious at the time.
If it keeps the latest bios, you dont have the same issue. On the board we had the bios would reset it self to factory after we switched it off aswell. Losing all memory and configs.
 
If it keeps the latest bios, you dont have the same issue. On the board we had the bios would reset it self to factory after we switched it off aswell. Losing all memory and configs.
It loses the profiles & resets the profiles after some time with no power, but it doesn't revert the bios version to say, F12 or F9. Bios version stays on F13a
 
...it doesn't revert the bios version to say, F12 or F9. Bios version stays on F13a

This shouldn't happen ever for consumer boards, bios flashing completely overwrites the existing bios. There is no old version to go back to. You would need a backup bios available to either boot directly into or restore to the main bios, but for single bios chips the main bios has no fallback. Some of the very early boards up to pentium 3 had a dedicated fixed backup rom (not eprom) for fallback, but that design for consumer boards has been out of style forever when proper consumer level dual bios systems came into existence.
 
I've had a similar issue some time back. Here is the thread.
In the end it was deduced that it was a BIOS issue and there was nothing I could do about it (Motherboard was an Import).
Yeah my board was from an Auction sale so 1 month warranty which is long gone & a pity given a member on the forum found it to be 6 months old at the time last year, so I lost a good 3 years of warranty on the board from Rectron because of sale condition.

Odd thing is that it works & holds the profiles most of the time, but anything extended like loadkakking & me unplugging from a wall will reset it. The no power at all thing happens entirely at random, then I have to sit & remove cmos, install cmos, remove cmos, install cmos xD Until the blady fucken thing picks it up & boots like nothing happened.
 
This shouldn't happen ever for consumer boards, bios flashing completely overwrites the existing bios. There is no old version to go back to. You would need a backup bios available to either boot directly into or restore to the main bios, but for single bios chips the main bios has no fallback. Some of the very early boards up to pentium 3 had a dedicated fixed backup rom (not eprom) for fallback, but that design for consumer boards has been out of style forever when proper consumer level dual bios systems came into existence.
Yeah didn't think so, was just clarifying for Gear here as I wasn't sure exactly what they meant. The only issue with my backup bios is I have no idea what version it is on or if flashing the main bios also updates/reverts the backup bios. As I have no idea what it's default BIOS was.
 
cant you get someone knowledgeable to desolder, and switch the bios chips around? " me with basic smd heatgun ability could prob do it, if i had no other choice" .. unless they somehow different. they look the same? Untitled
 
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I have a mate who can solder but I'll have to find replacement bios' or something before attempting that. not a chance am I going into that without backup xD
 
I have a mate who can solder but I'll have to find replacement bios' or something before attempting that. not a chance am I going into that without backup xD
My thinking is the second bios chip is the replacement, so you have a backup just confirm they the same chip and switch them
 
My thinking is the second bios chip is the replacement, so you have a backup just confirm they the same chip and switch them
I know, but 'd rather get 2 replacements before doing any work on the board so that if anything goes wrong I have on hand to get it working. Hell I'd even take a ROG bios chip if that could integrate onto a Gigabyte board xD
 

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