AMD is trash :/ - Please help

[Areola Grande]

InTeL Is TrAsH

 

[LouisABC]

Just to clarify a few things, my hostility towards AMD is part of a rant due to frustration.

AMD did advertise that b450 boards will support 3rd gen Ryzen and I know many do not have issues with this combination. But I also tend to think it would just be better to use b550 or X570.

The GPU temps I listed was during full load and high ambient temperature. ( PTA North Summer, no aircon)

The system is built in a Lian Li dynamic o11, 2 fans intake at bottom below gpu, 3 intake at side and 3 exhaust at top radiator.

1. B450 works 110% with Zen 2 CPUs. (EDIT - Make sure it is a decent B450 chipset with good VRM performance, etc.)

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Credit to: @LukeSavenije The following list is based on facts, ranked on power delivery and known problems. The list will include boards that support CPU overclocking available at retail from different brands. There are still differences in performance among boards of the same tier. As a result, ...

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2. With a properly installed custom loop, taking into account the lian li, you should not be seeing temps of 70-80 degrees on a 1070ti., even with high ambient temps. Wondering why the radiator is at the top for instance?

Based on what I have seems from PC1, RAM and temps is looking like an issue. Also, have whom ever installed this, even installed the ram in the correct slots, if not installed optimally, it can also create issues.

Maybe a reputable carb member close to you, can have a look at your setup in person. Especially someone with some experience in building proper AMD setups.

 

[Nyt Ryda]

InTeL Is TrAsH

If Intel is trash, and AMD can't beat Intel in gaming, does that mean AMD is worse than trash?

 

[Areola Grande]

If Intel is trash, and AMD can't beat Intel in gaming, does that mean AMD is worse than trash?

You would make a terrible fish. You just chomp on any bait you see. [emoji23]

Intel is very good for gaming.

AMD is very good for everything.


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[∀Z‾soʇɐuɐɥ┴]

If Intel is trash, and AMD can't beat Intel in gaming, does that mean AMD is worse than trash?

Intel is good for gaming, sure, but they suck for heavy work loads.
AMD is good for heavy work loads while slightly worse at gaming.

So lets put that into numbers
Gaming
Intel: 100
AMD: 95

Work
Intel: 50
AMD: 100

Which do you reckon is more bang for your buck for different work loads?

Sure, if you only care about gaming, and about that few extra fps at whatever cost, buy Intel.

 

[Nyt Ryda]

Intel is very good for gaming.

AMD is very good for everything else

Fixed that for you

Jokes aside, OP can you download HwInfo and post the temps for your VRMs and RAM. Hwinfo is one of the few tools that give you all the available sensors.

Overheating VRMs can cause issues under load, and RAM above 50-55C can lead to errors under load but generally that's only with higher speed B-die kits that are temp sensitive.

 

[Areola Grande]

Fixed that for you

Jokes aside, OP can you download HwInfo and post the temps for your VRMs and RAM. Hwinfo is one of the few tools that give you all the available sensors.

Overheating VRMs can cause issues under load, and RAM above 50-55C can lead to errors under load but generally that's only with higher speed B-die kits that are temp sensitive.

Please post your Cinebench R20 score

 

[Nyt Ryda]

Intel is good for gaming, sure, but they suck for heavy work loads.
AMD is good for heavy work loads while slightly worse at gaming.

So lets put that into numbers
Gaming
Intel: 100
AMD: 95

Work
Intel: 50
AMD: 100

Which do you reckon is more bang for your buck for different work loads?

Sure, if you only care about gaming, and about that few extra fps at whatever cost, buy Intel.

You're only comparing top vs top ie. R11.5k 10900k vs R15.8k 3950x.
I'm not too clued up on what rendering you do, but reviews show that in stuff like Blender, etc that a 8c16t 10700k and 8c16t 3800xt at the same price should be very comparable in workload performance.

 

[∀Z‾soʇɐuɐɥ┴]

You're only comparing top vs top ie. R11.5k 10900k vs R15.8k 3950x.
I'm not too clued up on what rendering you do, but reviews show that in stuff like Blender, etc that a 8c16t 10700k and 8c16t 3800xt at the same price should be very comparable in workload performance.

Actually no... Im comparing my 3950x to the 10940x which if I am not mistaken costs around the R18-19k mark and yet still doesn't come close to the 3950x in terms of workload benchmarks like Cinebench R20.

As a side note for extra info,
The 10940x OC'd to 4.7ghz all core scores around 8300, while the stock 3950x scores around 8500-8600 in Cinebench R20.
OC'd to 4.2ghz all cores my 3950x scores around the 9800 mark

 

[Nyt Ryda]

Please post your Cinebench R20 score

Guru3D did the scores for us. Still very happy with my 9900K @ 5GHz (basically a KS) and if I recall correctly, I paid less for it last year than a 3800XT right now

Actually no... Im comparing my 3950x to the 10940x which if I am not mistaken costs around the R18-19k mark and yet still doesn't come close to the 3950x in terms of workload benchmarks like Cinebench R20.

That's fantastic. Have you finished the campaign of Cinebench yet ? How's the multiplayer ?

 

[Areola Grande]

Guru3D did the scores for us. Still very happy with my 9900K @ 5GHz (basically a KS) and if I recall correctly, I paid less for it last year than a 3800XT right now

That's fantastic. Have you finished the campaign of Cinebench yet ? How's the multiplayer ?

No no, I asked you to post YOUR Cinebench R20 scores. Go ahead. Don't be shy. This is a safe space.

 

[ArcLightt]

Fixed that for you

Jokes aside, OP can you download HwInfo and post the temps for your VRMs and RAM. Hwinfo is one of the few tools that give you all the available sensors.

Overheating VRMs can cause issues under load, and RAM above 50-55C can lead to errors under load but generally that's only with higher speed B-die kits that are temp sensitive.

I will check temps again with hwinfo. thanks

 

[Nyt Ryda]

No no, I asked you to post YOUR Cinebench R20 scores. Go ahead. Don't be shy. This is a safe space.

Still using the iGPU so the scores are not comparable to a system with a discreet GPU. Another Intel advantage, the 3700x doesn't have an onboard GPU !

 

[Areola Grande]

Still using the iGPU so the scores are not comparable to a system with a discreet GPU. Another Intel advantage, the 3700x doesn't have an onboard GPU !

Nobody buying a 3700X would use an iGPU, that would be insane. Like someone with a 9900K using an iGPU. Nuts. Nuts I tell you.

 

[ArcLightt]

1. B450 works 110% with Zen 2 CPUs. (EDIT - Make sure it is a decent B450 chipset with good VRM performance, etc.)

Motherboard VRM Tier List v2 (currently AMD only)

Credit to: @LukeSavenije The following list is based on facts, ranked on power delivery and known problems. The list will include boards that support CPU overclocking available at retail from different brands. There are still differences in performance among boards of the same tier. As a result, ...

linustechtips.com

2. With a properly installed custom loop, taking into account the lian li, you should not be seeing temps of 70-80 degrees on a 1070ti., even with high ambient temps. Wondering why the radiator is at the top for instance?

Based on what I have seems from PC1, RAM and temps is looking like an issue. Also, have whom ever installed this, even installed the ram in the correct slots, if not installed optimally, it can also create issues.

Maybe a reputable carb member close to you, can have a look at your setup in person. Especially someone with some experience in building proper AMD setups.

Im sure I'll see better temps on the CPU if the rad is on the intakes yes, but I dont think max temp of 60 should be and issue. Take note the GPU is not on the loop.

 

[∀Z‾soʇɐuɐɥ┴]

That's fantastic. Have you finished the campaign of Cinebench yet ? How's the multiplayer ?

I don't see what your issue is tbh.
It's not like you absolutely can't game on a AMD cpu.
The FPS diff is like 5fps on most titles, and thats 5fps diff when doing over 100fps already so that difference is marginal at the very best.
This is why intel fan boys who act like you are stupid as shit to me... any argument you have goes straight out the window as soon as you mention 'oh so hows the gaming on that' as if just coz you have a AMD suddenly your fps will drop to 1...

Another Intel advantage, the 3700x doesn't have an onboard GPU !

But atleast if you buy a 3700x vs a 9900k you could actually afford a gpu as well, so.... 🤷‍♂️

 

[reVolt]

I didn't read all the comments, but I'm sure someone mentioned the fact that ryzen requires very specific memory (RAM) and works better with higher speeds.

Anyways, I wrestled with this (AMD R5 3600 vs Intel i5 10600) for quiet some time for this exact reason. I bought my pc last week and went the Intel route. Very happy with that now.

Good luck I hope you come right!

@malancoetsee1990

 

[vinodh]

The only serious AMD related issue I ever had was with the Radeon VII I sold recently. It was unstable but that was due to poor bios implementation and drivers. The card ran flawlessly in macOS but was poo in Windows.

My other two systems run 2700X CPUs and both run perfectly stable. One runs on Ubuntu 20.04 and the other Windows 10.

Besides the Radeon VII, which I loved because of that massive 16GB of HBM2 memory, I have nothing bad to say about AMD based on my experiences.

 

[TRINITRON]

What's the actual error code on the BSOD?

 

[Nyt Ryda]

I don't see what your issue is tbh.
It's not like you absolutely can't game on a AMD cpu.

Hey I never said you couldn't game on an AMD CPU. You can also render just fine on a 8 core 16 thread Intel or AMD system, Handbrake and Blender are not tools that only work on a 16 core.

This is why intel fan boys who act like you are stupid as shit to me... any argument you have goes straight out the window as soon as you mention 'oh so hows the gaming on that' as if just coz you have a AMD suddenly your fps will drop to 1...

I feel the same way when AMD fans burst in with "Look at muh workload performance" as if just because you have a Intel 8 or 10 core system suddenly you're unable to encode anymore.
Rendering and other workloads are actually a niche section of enthusiasts, the vast majority care about gaming. The only rendering I can recall doing is converting a couple x.265 vids to x264 using Handbrake because my Uncle didn't have a smart TV that could could play them. And it converted them just fine.

A whopping 65% on the Steam survey are also using 1080p. To them, the extra 6-8% that a 10600k offers above a 3600x is something tangible.


It's not like I hate AMD. I love the competition they're bringing. The pricing on the midrange 3600 and 3700x is class leading and makes me excited for the future.
The Ryzen 4000 series with the unified cache and 8-core CCX is shaping up to smash the gaming gap and for my next upgrade I'm excited to see the future of gaming with AM5 and Zen 4 along with the great price/performance they will have especially considering how badly PC hardware prices are increasing year-after-year.

 

[TheJudge]

I took a long vacation from PC building but this is kinda like the arguments we had when AMD first brought out a CPU that could rival my Celeron 300A at a lower price.

 

[luke.peter88]

I had similar issues on my 3600 build (x570 gaming edge WiFi, 2x8gb 3600 cl16 ballistix elite, gtx 1080). No issues at all for first 4 to 5 months, then started getting random shutdowns/bsod, event viewer pointed to my pcix slot address for the gpu, but I was sceptical.

A mboard bios update sorted all my issues, back to smooth sailing...

 

[Wadkiller]

As Ive said before it's very often M/B / Ram compatibility. Try different Ram . Even swap with your mates.
Run at non XMP for awhile as well ie : 2133Mhz.
Ram doesn't have to be faulty to give issues.

All the advice given and this has not been tried.

OP, do the above, it is quick and easy. In a lot of cases XMP do not play well. I had an issue with games crashing when running XMP. Disabled XMP, but used manual settings to set speed and timings and problem solved.

On a side note. This thread is quickly adding a few people to my ignore list. Constant shitty comments with absolute no help with non-stop brand dick swinging. If you suddenly feel the need to respond with another witty comment you are probably a bigger cunt than I thought.

 

[Areola Grande]

All the advice given and this has not been tried.

OP, do the above, it is quick and easy. In a lot of cases XMP do not play well. I had an issue with games crashing when running XMP. Disabled XMP, but used manual settings to set speed and timings and problem solved.

On a side note. This thread is quickly adding a few people to my ignore list. Constant shitty comments with absolute no help with non-stop brand dick swinging. If you suddenly feel the need to respond with another witty comment you are probably a bigger cunt than I thought.

I think you'll find most of the brand-banter was in jest.

 

[Wadkiller]

I think you'll find most of the brand-banter was in jest.

You do not have to search far or wide to see a trend.

 

[Areola Grande]

You do not have to search far or wide to see a trend.

Yea, also true.

These threads usually go that way though. Once the pertinent advice has been dispensed it becomes a trollfest. I know I'm guilty of it.

 

[Nyt Ryda]

On a side note. This thread is quickly adding a few people to my ignore list. Constant shitty comments with absolute no help with non-stop brand dick swinging. If you suddenly feel the need to respond with another witty comment you are probably a bigger cunt than I thought.

We've been giving advice AND banter, in a thread whose title lends itself to banter.

 

[Areola Grande]

We've been giving advice AND banter, in a thread whose title lends itself to banter.

How's that 30FPS 9900K treating you?

 

[Wadkiller]

We've been giving advice AND banter, in a thread whose title lends itself to banter.

Ever heard of click bait? The guy said in so many words he did not get any traction on a previous thread and he is actually looking for help.

Also, this is not smack talk, so you can move along and go play with the other kids in the corner.

 

[aiccc]

I have 500 plus computers running AMD cpus. This is just one location.

ALL rock solid. They are running either latest gen or one gen older cpus. All on min 16gb ram some 32 GB

We have less than 50 pc running Intel CPUs.

Just my 5 cents.