Aircon units for your rigs

[Hiesenberg]

hi folks

I have 3 used and working aircon units that I would like to sell,if anyone or some of you guys might be interested in regulating the temperatures in the areas where your rigs are,PM and reach out,I'm an aircon technician so can arrange installation anywhere in Gauteng as well

 

[goldfritter]

Consider posting classified ads in the relevant sections (probably here: https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?forums/other.7/). That way you can gain trade feedback to build up your reputation.

Make sure to use the template that pre-populates itself when starting the thread.

Then link the sale threads here for visibility.

 

[Byakugan]

hi folks

I have 3 used and working aircon units that I would like to sell,if anyone or some of you guys might be interested in regulating the temperatures in the areas where your rigs are,PM and reach out,I'm an aircon technician so can arrange installation anywhere in Gauteng as well

What aircon units are they, the btu and overall cost including installation?

 

[Hiesenberg]

I have a dunham-bush 12 000 btu unit,a Samsung 12 000 btu as well as a 9 000 btu Samsung unit,all of them Midwall Split units,the cost of the 12 000 btu's in 3k each and the 9 000 btu is 2.7k
The cost of the installation is dependent on a few factors,notably if it's not a back to back installation and you want the outdoor unit to be erected in a hideaway location(some gated communities advise this) then we would need to take the cost of the extra copper pipe run into consideration as well as the trunking for the copper pipes,for a more neat appeal,and the power as well,some people have their own electrician that they use regularly and would rather prefer them doing the power,all things considered though if the point you want the indoor unit fitted and the distance to the outside unit is less than 3m it's considered a back to back installation and if it's simply a back to back then the unit price and installation would be 5.5k for the 12 000 btu's and 5.2k for the 9 000 btu unit

 

[Hiesenberg]

and also another thing to consider,take note that the size of the unit covers double the surface area of the space,so depending on the space that you want to cover divide that by 2 and you will get the more suitable unit size for your space

example a 9 000 btu unit is good to cover a 18 square meter surface area,it could cover a 20-22 square meter ares as well with no issues,but that is basically how you decide on the size of the unit for the space that you want covered

 

[TollieKop]

I have a dunham-bush 12 000 btu unit,a Samsung 12 000 btu as well as a 9 000 btu Samsung unit,all of them Midwall Split units,the cost of the 12 000 btu's in 3k each and the 9 000 btu is 2.7k
The cost of the installation is dependent on a few factors,notably if it's not a back to back installation and you want the outdoor unit to be erected in a hideaway location(some gated communities advise this) then we would need to take the cost of the extra copper pipe run into consideration as well as the trunking for the copper pipes,for a more neat appeal,and the power as well,some people have their own electrician that they use regularly and would rather prefer them doing the power,all things considered though if the point you want the indoor unit fitted and the distance to the outside unit is less than 3m it's considered a back to back installation and if it's simply a back to back then the unit price and installation would be 5.5k for the 12 000 btu's and 5.2k for the 9 000 btu unit

Aircon techs are qualified (technically and legally) to do the electrical work too so I don't see why someone would pay another electrician to do something you are qualified to do all in one

It's nice that you give the buyer the option but just saying

Listen to @goldfritter and create the correct thread in the https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?forums/appliances.94/ and/or https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?forums/other.7/ sections

You can then cross-link them and link this thread to that too. Probably will get more eyes on it since not only miners want air-conditioning

 

[Confucius]

Aircon techs are qualified (technically and legally)

Not really. For 9 and 12000 btu you just plug that into a plug point so there’s no electrical coc required. For 18000 btu and above, you would require a separate isolator to be installed and this “should” be installed by a qualified electrician with a wireman’s license. Aircon techs are not electricians.

If a customer wants an additional plug point to be installed for the aircon, this should be done by an electrician.

 

[TollieKop]

Not really. For 9 and 12000 btu you just plug that into a plug point so there’s no electrical coc required. For 18000 btu and above, you would require a separate isolator to be installed and this “should” be installed by a qualified electrician with a wireman’s license. Aircon techs are not electricians.

If a customer wants an additional plug point to be installed for the aircon, this should be done by an electrician.

Aircon techs do the full 6 month electrical training and then their instrumentation and other training. With regard to certain size aircons (larger power draw), then yes, an installation electrician may be required. His units do not require that

 

[Phence]

Welcome to the forum @Liberty, nice to see people think out the box and have initiative to complement this forum with required services.

My only 2cents would be to back up your service with high quality installations and good after sales service. I think if you do that then you'll be successful as in my opinion most users here are technical and informed, so they'd want someone that really knows their stuff working in their environment.

 

[Hiesenberg]

Yes it baffles me too,but I have on more than one occasion came across people who wouldn't have anyone but their guy do the power

and also since it's all things considered,if I'm not doing the power,I I'd have to adjust the costs(the power cable running from the unit to the DB,and also the circuit breaker,and any other labor or material costs that I would have otherwise quoted)

 

[Confucius]

Aircon techs do the full 6 month electrical training and then their instrumentation and other training. With regard to certain size aircons (larger power draw), then yes, an installation electrician may be required. His units do not require that

Brother runs a pretty big hvac company back in durbs. I did installations before I moved up to GP more than 15 years ago. Most installers haven’t really studied to become techs. At the time, they needed to go on a gas training course from a regulations point of view. For any electrical work thst required additional plug points or isolators, he would subcontract that out to electricians. Now he just has electricians that he has hired.

Agree, for 9 and 12k btu, non of this is needed though.

 

[TollieKop]

Yes it baffles me too,but I have on more than one occasion came across people who wouldn't have anyone but their guy do the power

and also since it's all things considered,if I'm not doing the power,I I'd have to adjust the costs(the power cable running from the unit to the DB,and also the circuit breaker,and any other labor or material costs that I would have otherwise quoted)

100%

Choice of the buyer, also less work for you if they decide to have a sparky connect - the shit is when you must now wait for another artisan to finish before you can gas and test for leaks etc

 

[TollieKop]

Brother runs a pretty big hvac company back in durbs. I did installations before I moved up to GP more than 15 years ago. Most installers haven’t really studied to become techs. At the time, they needed to go on a gas training course from a regulations point of view. For any electrical work thst required additional plug points or isolators, he would subcontract that out to electricians. Now he just has electricians that he has hired.

Agree, for 9 and 12k btu, non of this is needed though.

I get you. All I know from the training centre I worked at, the refrigeration technicians (qualified) are legally allowed to do these tasks.
Different story if the training/qualification is something other than what is mandated by the ECSA

 

[Hiesenberg]

Welcome to the forum @Liberty, nice to see people think out the box and have initiative to complement this forum with required services.

My only 2cents would be to back up your service with high quality installations and good after sales service. I think if you do that then you'll be successful as in my opinion most users here are technical and informed, so they'd want someone that really knows their stuff working in their environment.

I'll certainly be doing that,I'm fairly new on the platform and still finding my way around it as far as the interface is concerned,been trying to maybe upload a few pictures and links to Facebook pages but it's a little bit of a challenge

 

[heinreich]

I'll certainly be doing that,I'm fairly new on the platform and still finding my way around it as far as the interface is concerned,been trying to maybe upload a few pictures and links to Facebook pages but it's a little bit of a challenge

If you want to upload photos, try www.imgur.com

 

[Byakugan]

I have a dunham-bush 12 000 btu unit,a Samsung 12 000 btu as well as a 9 000 btu Samsung unit,all of them Midwall Split units,the cost of the 12 000 btu's in 3k each and the 9 000 btu is 2.7k
The cost of the installation is dependent on a few factors,notably if it's not a back to back installation and you want the outdoor unit to be erected in a hideaway location(some gated communities advise this) then we would need to take the cost of the extra copper pipe run into consideration as well as the trunking for the copper pipes,for a more neat appeal,and the power as well,some people have their own electrician that they use regularly and would rather prefer them doing the power,all things considered though if the point you want the indoor unit fitted and the distance to the outside unit is less than 3m it's considered a back to back installation and if it's simply a back to back then the unit price and installation would be 5.5k for the 12 000 btu's and 5.2k for the 9 000 btu unit

5.5k for a 12k btu with installation is a good price. Assuming its second hand. I have shopped around alot so seen the various prices. Just post pics of the units you have. One thing I had when shopping was some of the second hand units looked ugly.

 

[Hiesenberg]

100%

Choice of the buyer, also less work for you if they decide to have a sparky connect - the shit is when you must now wait for another artisan to finish before you can gas and test for leaks etc

it's certainly less work for me and honestly I hate electrical work,especially having to use the trap door and go into the ceilings part,and pulling cables,I rarely do the power,I have help most often

and surely it sucks having to wait to commission the unit after you done with the installation,It's not so bad with new units as usually there's never an issue and it doesn't take much time to commission but with reinstallations it tends to get time consuming and aannoying,more so if there is leaks,even the slightest and then you have to drain the gas,fix the leaks,recharge,you sometimes feel it's not worth the money

 

[TollieKop]

it's certainly less work for me and honestly I hate electrical work,especially having to use the trap door and go into the ceilings part,and pulling cables,I rarely do the power,I have help most often

and surely it sucks having to wait to commission the unit after you done with the installation,It's not so bad with new units as usually there's never an issue and it doesn't take much time to commission but with reinstallations it tends to get time consuming and aannoying,more so if there is leaks,even the slightest and then you have to drain the gas,fix the leaks,recharge,you sometimes feel it's not worth the money

I'm smiling as I read this, since I'm a millwright and I trained electricians/millwrights/instrumentation techs but I really don't like electrical work!

Yeah gas is expensive. If you have a business registered with CIPC (or even not registered, but advisable to do so, since you can get tax rebates for your consumables) you need to do your pricing calculations so as to not be way too cheap to compete with guys on the street (who legally are not allowed to do it, but can't knock the hustle) but not too expensive
It is great your prices are top notch but just remember to CYA (cover your ass)

As you are aware, artisans who offer these services are liable to 6 month warranties. After 6 months, they gotta pay you to re-gas/re-charge or whatever is required - which is also why making sure your job is of quality so you DON'T need to come back to fix anything

*I wanted to edit, but I see you really need to add a mark-up to ensure you can cover any mishaps. In industry we didn't care about consumables since the company buys the gas but out of pocket it is pricey. Do your calculations

 

[Hiesenberg]

5.5k for a 12k btu with installation is a good price. Assuming its second hand. I have shopped around alot so seen the various prices. Just post pics of the units you have. One thing I had when shopping was some of the second hand units looked ugly.

I'll be sure to post pics,I'm still trying to figure out how to do it
I mostly get the units from mostly corporate work and more often than not I'm usually the one servicing the units bi annually as with corporate jobs most times you install and maintain,I usually know it's good enough units and the performance levels are pretty awesome

 

[TollieKop]

I'll be sure to post pics,I'm still trying to figure out how to do it
I mostly get the units from mostly corporate work and more often than not I'm usually the one servicing the units bi annually as with corporate jobs most times you install and maintain,I usually know it's good enough units and the performance levels are pretty awesome

@heinreich mentioned imgur

Go to imgur, post your pics, copy the link imgur gives you, then paste the link on Carbonite

Example:

https://imgur.com/a/jrQ3KW6

 

[Hiesenberg]

I'm smiling as I read this, since I'm a millwright and I trained electricians/millwrights/instrumentation techs but I really don't like electrical work!

Yeah gas is expensive. If you have a business registered with CIPC (or even not registered, but advisable to do so, since you can get tax rebates for your consumables) you need to do your pricing calculations so as to not be way too cheap to compete with guys on the street (who legally are not allowed to do it, but can't knock the hustle) but not too expensive
It is great your prices are top notch but just remember to CYA (cover your ass)

As you are aware, artisans who offer these services are liable to 6 month warranties. After 6 months, they gotta pay you to re-gas/re-charge or whatever is required - which is also why making sure your job is of quality so you DON'T need to come back to fix anything

electrical is shitte(no offense)
most of the times when I install,I usually like to give the first service free(all the more reason to*CMA*) which should be done 6 months after installation even on the second hand units(take care of the compressor and you will have a healthy unit,age is usually of no significance)I've seen units from the mid 80's still running today,that way I'm able to tell from the gas guage and a few thorough checks on the coils and filters how it's wearing and tearing and then give recommendations for longevity

thanks so much,I will adjust my prices so I'm always covered as well and be able to grow and move forward

 

[Hiesenberg]

@heinreich mentioned imgur

Go to imgur, post your pics, copy the link imgur gives you, then paste the link on Carbonite

Example:

https://imgur.com/a/jrQ3KW6

awesome,that should be easy

let me do that

 

[Hiesenberg]

Here's the link for the A/C unit pictures