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Good morning everyone.
My first post:)

Need your input please. As my user name implies, when it comes to pc's im a total noob.
Here goes.

My wife does photography as a hobby. Currently have a old laptop (no clue on the name)
She uses light room and photoshop simultaneously . And its a donkey. Very slow .

The advice I need is what specs would she need in a pc to run these software efficiently.

All I know from reading is 16gb ram is a must.

I'm amazed at the prices of the hardware omg.
We looking at spending max R4500 on the box (please don't lol):eek:


Seeking something to do the job. No gaming to be done on the. Simply editing in those 2 programs.

What would be ideal for her?
Anyone if you have something decent to sell PM please.
 
Yeah what MasterBlaster said, you not going to get much for R4500 unless you scavenge the classifieds for individual parts.
It is possible you might find a 2nd/3rd gen system for that price but with 16GB of RAM is still unlikely for a complete system at that price point.
 

Add an SSD and you have a complete system at exactly your price point.
 
Side note, the preferred term is potato, not donkey.
 
Yes the ssd 250Gb or 500Gb "samsung" or "mushkin Reactor" from wootware will give it a nice boost, and google the motherboard spec and see what ram you can add on the available slots or maybe just populate the slots with the max memory the motherboard can take.
 
Yes the ssd 250Gb or 500Gb "samsung" or "mushkin Reactor" from wootware will give it a nice boost, and google the motherboard spec and see what ram you can add on the available slots or maybe just populate the slots with the max memory the motherboard can take.

What? That particular deal already has maxed RAM, just needs an SSD (and for Noobster to be in CPT) and his old laptop is not upgradeable....
So what on earth are you talking about?
 
Good morning everyone.
My first post:)

Need your input please. As my user name implies, when it comes to pc's im a total noob.
Here goes.

My wife does photography as a hobby. Currently have a old laptop (no clue on the name)
She uses light room and photoshop simultaneously . And its a donkey. Very slow .

The advice I need is what specs would she need in a pc to run these software efficiently.

All I know from reading is 16gb ram is a must.

I'm amazed at the prices of the hardware omg.
We looking at spending max R4500 on the box (please don't lol):eek:


Seeking something to do the job. No gaming to be done on the. Simply editing in those 2 programs.

What would be ideal for her?
Anyone if you have something decent to sell PM please.

My advice... Hide your wallet... Don't tell your wife.
 
One of your least useful posts yet.

It's twice his budget, has no case, power supply, hard drive or graphics card.

Less drugs, more work...

Cool least usefull to you not to the masses ...
 
Good morning everyone.
My first post:)

Need your input please. As my user name implies, when it comes to pc's im a total noob.
Here goes.

My wife does photography as a hobby. Currently have a old laptop (no clue on the name)
She uses light room and photoshop simultaneously . And its a donkey. Very slow .

The advice I need is what specs would she need in a pc to run these software efficiently.

All I know from reading is 16gb ram is a must.

I'm amazed at the prices of the hardware omg.
We looking at spending max R4500 on the box (please don't lol):eek:


Seeking something to do the job. No gaming to be done on the. Simply editing in those 2 programs.

What would be ideal for her?
Anyone if you have something decent to sell PM please.


Nice hobby once I grab a EOS 250D or 200D she should post some noob tutorials will gladly pay :)
 
Good machines will be closer to double what u want to spend.

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Thanks all for your input.
Idea now is to build a pc and learn in the process.
Ryzen 3 2200
A320M motherboard
G skill ddr4 4x2gb ram
Ssd cheap 2nd hand not sure what size though.
Case I will get maybe
1st 3 New come out to R3100, at wootware
I have done a psu test and these require under 300w is that legit?

There are these generic case and 450 psu cases going for like R389 are they crap? Micro Atx

Assuming the boards will fit?
Am I on the right track

As I said strictly editing on the 2 programs nothing else.

Would this be fine?
 
For performance (time=money & less time spend rendering = more projects = $$$) grab atleast a 250GB SSD, pref Samsung. If you can get one that is M.2 IE Samsung 960 Evo (or 970) then great. Keep in mind your motherboard must support a M.2 slot, or at the very least, support NVME booting in the BIOS, so that you can use an adaptor card.

An i7 would be good, esp a K series i7.

Later on get a 2nd SSD to use as cache/scratch disk for those 2 apps. My cousin does lots of photo/vid editing and I got her to use 2x 970 Evo 250GB drives, she uses one for the source and one for the destination, and it sped up her output time considerably, around 30-40% if I recall.

I'd say , if budget allows, go for 8GB with a decent 250GB SSD over 16GB with a hard drive. Yes 8GB will mean more swapfile will be used, but an SSD swapfile setup is faster then a 16GB HDD setup any day, even when the 16GB is not in full use.

To the best of my knowledge, a Intel system is better for editing, even an older one, but I could be wrong. New is nice , as is warranty but maybe try get a 2nd hand Ryzen / Intel with a warranty then.

Also , nVidia GPU's help with the output render and when applying effects as the apps use the GPU's CUDA cores. Think of these as special processors for "stuff". I'd ain for 4th gen, the parts will take longer to get to a hens teeth point. Sounds like anything is better then what she has now. So maybe even start with a cheap 6th gen setup. Get a quality Asus/Msi/Gigabyte mobo, i5 CPU, 8GB DDR4 and a SSD. Add to it as you can. A solid base will really pay off in the long term. Post laptop make, model and specs so we can advise you properly. Maybe a SSD and some RAM will mean the laptop can give a few more months of work while you save up more $.

I'd say minimum :
i5 3570k / 4th gen equivalent (4670k?)
Asus/Msi/Gigabyte Z77 mobo
8GB DDR1600Mhz
250GB SATA SSD (Crucial SSD's are good value for $ & good quality)
quality brand 550W PSU
3GB GTX 1060 (not 100% sure on this TBH, as older cards may be better if they have more CUDA cores).


Ideal (although above budget):
i7 3770k / i7 4770k
Z77 board / Z97 (Z97 can def use a NVME SSD via an adaptor for full speed)
16GB DDR3 1866Mhz RAM or >
250GB Samsung Evo 960 NVME / Samsung 860 SATA SSD / Crucial equivelent.
Decent Corsair / Superflower PSU
GPU as per above
 
I agree 4th gen i5 or i7, ssd, 8-16gigs ram but the moment u add gcard his budget will die. Maybe 970gtx...

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My wife does photography as a hobby... She uses light room and photoshop

In that case you should also look at getting an IPS monitor (at least 23") for better colour accuracy and viewing angles.

You can get something like a Dell s2340l here on carb for around R1200
 
Maybe macbook on contract then she has somthing decent

Lots of photographers use mac.

Pretty sure u wana get her somthing decent and not disappoint her. That budget os tight to get her somthing that will last and has the power to render.

Pc will be more powerfull ans cheaper thank a mac tho

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As someone who has been using Lightroom for five years I have the following input:

Clock speed trumps cores. Extra cores improve performance when exporting images but that's about it - everything else is mostly single threaded. Unless she is going to be exporting 500+ images on a regular basis, even a Core i3 will do for most tasks if you could get the clock speeds high enough.

Lightroom eats RAM for breakfast and performs like a dog when it runs out of free memory. It's a situation where a slower hard drive with more RAM beats an SSD with more less RAM. You work on one image at a time, which will be a few dozen megs at best (assuming raw files and not JPG, which are even smaller) which is about well under 500ms of sequential reading even on a slow drive. Once it's loaded to RAM, that is where it resides and with RAM bandwidth in the 10s of GB/s not even RAID0 NVMe SSDs can compete. Have a look here and you'll see that even slow hard drives with speeds of up to 150 MB/s can keep up with NVMe drives with speeds exceeding 3,000 MB/s Adobe Lightroom 2015.8 Storage Performance Analysis

A graphics card is a waste of time unless you have a massive budget and have maxed out most of the other specs. Very little is GPU accelerated, and there are a lot of issues. Frequent issues include extreme lag when swapping between images, intolerable lag when using the brush tool, image blacking out during certain operations, etc. I leave it disabled. For the most part, a Titan V (which is a $ 3,000 card) is only a few percent faster than integrated graphics Photoshop CC 2018 NVIDIA GeForce GPU Performance

When it comes to Photoshop, which I've been using for about as long, most of the above is true but I'd take an SSD over more RAM.

For your budget I'd look at something such as:

Core i5-4670K/Core i7-4770K/Core i7-4790K
- A Core i3 is not recommended as they have a much lower clock speed, and jumping to a 6th gen CPU is a large price increase for a not so large performance increase

Any LGA1150 motherboard
- Seriously, you're getting this for Lightroom on a budget. Go H81 if you have to

16 GB DDR3-1600 or, better yet, DDR3-2400 if the price isn't too high
- 8 GB just isn't enough unless the budget doesn't allow, and 32 GB is overkill. 16 GB is the sweet spot

Integrated graphics
- It's more than adequate unless you have spare money for a graphics card, in which case spend it on a faster CPU instead

120 GB SSD for OS and Lightroom/Photoshop installation
- Booting and launching apps from a mechanical drive is painful

1-2 TB HDD for storage
- Unless you're like me and have a problem with deleting, you probably only keep one out of every few dozen shots. When I was shooting film I'd consider it a decent day if there was more than one photo worth printing. You'll wear out your shutter several times over before you have 1 TB of "keep" photos even in raw format. I have an issue with deleting anything, but if you were to hold a gun to my head and tell me to get over it there are around 500 MB of photos I'd keep of the +/- 3 TB I've got

External drive for backing up (VERY IMPORTANT)
- Drives die. Your photos don't have to. It's worth considering cheap cloud storage for the really great shots. 3-2-1. Three copies. Two mediums. One off-site

Cheapest case you can find
- This money is way better spent elsewhere. Grab an old "gaming" case from the mid 2000s if you have to. You know those ones that used to sell at your local computer shop for R 250 including a no name brand PSU? Yes, one of those. Just chuck the PSU as it's likely a fire hazard and you can't afford for a piece of rubbish to be taking out components that are already well out of warranty.

Corsair 450w PSU or similar
- If you hit 150w power draw I'd be surprised.

Once you're running a Core i9-9900K with 32 GB RAM we can start looking at a graphics card, but all I ever see mine doing is playing Solitaire in the background (or Minesweeper, I don't know what graphics cards do) while I'm busy with photo editing.

This is not true of the entire Adobe suite, nor is it entirely accurate when doing more than just a bit of hobby photo retouching in Photoshop (if you start doing a lot of blurs, perspective warps etc the GPU gives a nice-ish boost, but those aren't generally things used with photo editing), but given the applications and use case at hand it's about the best you can do.
 
Thanks all for your input.
Idea now is to build a pc and learn in the process.
Ryzen 3 2200
A320M motherboard
G skill ddr4 4x2gb ram
Ssd cheap 2nd hand not sure what size though.
Case I will get maybe
1st 3 New come out to R3100, at wootware
I have done a psu test and these require under 300w is that legit?

There are these generic case and 450 psu cases going for like R389 are they crap? Micro Atx

Assuming the boards will fit?
Am I on the right track

As I said strictly editing on the 2 programs nothing else.

Would this be fine?

Yes but as far as I know Ryzen chips don't have onboard graphics anymore so you would have to add an ultra-cheap GPU as well.

And yes, those PSUs are crap but that shouldn't matter on a build as light as yours.
 
Hey guys, the only AMD Ryzen chips that have graphics are the 2200g and 2400g. They are quite good for the price but all your game settings will be on low. I would rather invest in the Ryzen 5... Either 1600, 1600x, 2600 or 2600x if you are on a budget. These chips are amazing and you won't regret it. Buy a good used GPU, as you can get a GTX 1060 or even a AMD RX580 for a very good price now. Good luck!
 
I would definitely recommend AMD Ryzen... Always used Intel and build my first AMD PC a few months ago and am I happy!
 
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Um, why would any of you recommend CPUs that will be SLOWER for his needs as well as more expensive? Lightroom is all about high speed single threaded performance and you’re recommending something with pretty poor performance in that regard.
 
Oh here we go, I found a link about AMD (albeit first gen) vs Intel when it comes to Lightroom Adobe Lightroom CC 2015.8 AMD Ryzen 7 1700X & 1800X Performance

The Ryzen 1800X loses to the Core i7-7700K thanks to the lower single threaded performance, and now you’re recommending a CPU with an even lower clock speed.

A 4670K or higher within the Haswell family with a small overclock will beat literally anything AMD has to offer regardless of price.
 
Oh here we go, I found a link about AMD (albeit first gen) vs Intel when it comes to Lightroom Adobe Lightroom CC 2015.8 AMD Ryzen 7 1700X & 1800X Performance

The Ryzen 1800X loses to the Core i7-7700K thanks to the lower single threaded performance, and now you’re recommending a CPU with an even lower clock speed.

A 4670K or higher within the Haswell family with a small overclock will beat literally anything AMD has to offer regardless of price.

Thanks for chipping in with info on Lightroom. I wasn’t sure how useful a GPU would be for the application.

If you don’t need a GPU, R4500 will suffice for a system that has enough cores, ghz and RAM that will work.

Snoop around the complete builds section? I find that people who want to sell their PC as a whole, tend to lower their price.
 
I'd go with oJo on this one.

If you're in JHB I have a Lian-Li case,a 650w Thermaltake Litepower PSU and a 60GB SSD you can have.
 

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