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Need to get a car, wtf is up with all these prices?!

Mogo said:
And have random people open the car door and get in whenever you're in a public lot "Are you my Uber"?
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I know I know, it's the Uber car.

But you should see it this way, THIS is the car they choose to drive EVERY DAY to make their living in. I see it as a bonus as a buyer, and someone will buy it the same week you decide to sell it.
 
iamgigglz said:
Seems weird that they'd run 6 airbags for 8 years and then drop to two for 2023. In my experience those website specs can be misleading; ie it's saying "Yes I have two front airbags" but it's not saying that's all it has.

If that's the only thing putting you off then I'd speak to a human and confirm.
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Brochure for the new Duster is 4 airbags. It looks like it's been that way since the 2018 model - before then it was 6.
 
For the city car we went with the Suzuki Baleno (Toyota has the starlet which is reskinned, but suzuki offers better base warranty and service plan), 2 kids and 2 big ass car seats

The best way to explain it is that it's an extremely deep car, the boot is very deep, the seats are deep, there is no wasted space, everything that is not used is given to you as storage, it has great fuel consumption and is a pleasure to drive and also has cheap insurance

In terms of reliability it is one of the few affordable cars that have a standard 1.5L 4 cylinder engine without a turbo, I want this thing to drive until it dies not because it has a turbo thrown in to compensate for a shitty engine and chassis that is way to heavy for 1L 3 cylinder engine

If you're set on a crossover I would go duster, they are dirt cheap 2nd hand and have a really good track record
 
But why do you need the Curtain airbags for newborns or even young kids as:
The reputation of traditional airbags was put at risk when children were hurt by early systems. The technology has been refined, and parents are now cautioned to keep small children away from front and side impact airbags. However, side curtains do not pose these same risks. According to the Insurance Industry for Highway Safety, children may be too small to benefit from the protection offered by a curtain-style airbag, but safety experts agree that children are safe in the presence of these airbags [source: Mello]. Unlike front and torso airbags, the curtains' deployment does not cause a high-force intrusion of the occupants' personal space.
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So there's no benefit to kids to have these as opposed to not having them, unless the wife wants them for herself?
 
Pansyfaust said:
It is nice, and I would prefer a Sedan over a Cross-over, but the interior of this one would need me to dig deep :D

I've got no brand loyalty or anything to VW, and going just off the drive of the t-cross: it just felt like a nicer car to drive compared to other's tested (Venue, Tigo 4 Pro, Jolion,Brezza etc)
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Saw a review of the sedan and saw that classic beige interior that India seems to love. By the time my boys were done with that interior I'd need to find new seats from a breaker's yard if I wanted to resell it.
 
Harbinger2000 said:
Just curious, did you ever check out the Toyota C-HR?
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I really like that car, but there are three things I hate about it.

  1. The boot is ridiculously small
  2. The engine is pathetic
  3. I can't stand CVT gearboxes

It was on our shortlist when we had to replace our recently written off 2009 model Ford Fiesta.
 
ThatGuyJD said:
But why do you need the Curtain airbags for newborns or even young kids as:


So there's no benefit to kids to have these as opposed to not having them, unless the wife wants them for herself?
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We plan to keep the car for 5+ years, so it may be a safer car as they get bigger and even if we have another.

It's not just buying a car for now.
 
Arbitrator said:
For the city car we went with the Suzuki Baleno (Toyota has the starlet which is reskinned, but suzuki offers better base warranty and service plan), 2 kids and 2 big ass car seats

The best way to explain it is that it's an extremely deep car, the boot is very deep, the seats are deep, there is no wasted space, everything that is not used is given to you as storage, it has great fuel consumption and is a pleasure to drive and also has cheap insurance

In terms of reliability it is one of the few affordable cars that have a standard 1.5L 4 cylinder engine without a turbo, I want this thing to drive until it dies not because it has a turbo thrown in to compensate for a shitty engine and chassis that is way to heavy for 1L 3 cylinder engine

If you're set on a crossover I would go duster, they are dirt cheap 2nd hand and have a really good track record
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good choice

 
Crouchinglee said:
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Tiggo 4 Pro – Chery South Africa

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I tried the Chery, and although it's feature rich for the price, fuel consumption was not nice.

Also not sure about how the CVT gearbox is tuned (basing off a sample of 1) but when I tried cruise control at a set speed of 115-120KM/h, it was not pleasant. Think of it like a rolling downshift into a lower gear and then shifting back up into a higher gear, then back down etc.

Did not like the feel of that.
 
Pansyfaust said:
I tried the Chery, and although it's feature rich for the price, but fuel consumption was not nice.

Also not sure about how the CVT gearbox is tuned (basing off a sample of 1) but when I tried cruise control at a set speed of 115-120KM/h, it was not pleasant. Think of it like a rolling downshift into a lower gear and then shifting back up into a higher gear, then back down etc.

Did not like the feel of that.
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Fair enough - I never tried the 4, I loved the 8 though.
 
Just an update:

I've managed to spot a deal in JHB for a new demo t-Cross that's slightly more than our budget (400K excl fees).

I've tentatively started applying for it while I go test drive a few more cars today to see if something makes more sense to me.

A note on the OTR fees: the dealer is trying to pass 11 100 as On the Road fees, which is bonkers, but I assume they are padding these to make a buck considering the better than usual price.

Still in two minds, but wife really likes the t-cross 😅
 
Pansyfaust said:
Just an update:

I've managed to spot a deal in JHB for a new demo t-Cross that's slightly more than our budget (400K excl fees).

I've tentatively started applying for it while I go test drive a few more cars today to see if something makes more sense to me.

A note on the OTR fees: the dealer is trying to pass 11 100 as On the Road fees, which is bonkers, but I assume they are padding these to make a buck considering the better than usual price.

Still in two minds, but wife really likes the t-cross 😅
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Where in JHB? There are many sketchy dealers here... post the link if you like. If it's nearby I can check it out for you and make sure they're not skelms.
 
UrBaN_BuNnY said:
Where in JHB? There are many sketchy dealers here... post the link if you like. If it's nearby I can check it out for you and make sure they're not skelms.
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This is the guy she told you not to the worry about. Offers to check in on your girl, but then swoops in and ends up stealing her :ROFLMAO:
 
UrBaN_BuNnY said:
Where in JHB? There are many sketchy dealers here... post the link if you like. If it's nearby I can check it out for you and make sure they're not skelms.
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It's Hatfield VW, so not a sketch dealer by any means. Just a deal they are running at the moment.
 
An update:
Found another dealer offering a better overall deal with delivery to KZN and more "acceptable" admin fees.
Not sure what the other dealer was smoking, but they wanted R11,100 and they also wanted around R10500 for an extended 4Y maintenance plan compared with R7700 with this dealer (not that we'd get it, but the pricing lol)
Also something strange: when they did the finance check, the interest rate I was getting with a 40% balloon was 11.3%.

I said, "no Balloon, I'll be putting a deposit of X" (around 25% of the price)

Quote comes back and the interest rate goes up to 11.5%

The fuq?

So I say, okay, 10% deposit no balloon, interest is now at 11%, so prime + 0.25.

Banks?!
 
I just read OP and skipped to the bottom.
My brother has a 1.4 TCross. Great Car as you mentioned.
I bought a new car last year for the same reasons.
I boiled it down to a T-cross and a Corolla Cross.
I was looking for something a little more urban than the TCross and ended up buying the new VW Taigo.
I drove down from Namibia and got an average of 17km/L (2000km in total)
I got one of the first models with all the bells and whistles and payed too much in my opinion.
But the models without all the bells seem to be a better value for the luxury the car offers. (there were just none in stock and i was kinda in a hurry to buy)
I really wanted to get a corolla cross. As i think it gives way better value for money but not as fancy on the inside, but i was looking to buy around the time Durban flooded so they told me eta of 10-12 months.
I took the Taigo because it could fit 2 suitcases easily in the trunk compared to the Tcross where it struggles abit. They have comparative liters of space but the Taigos is deeper where the Tcross is higher.
If i could go back in time I would still get the Taigo over the Corolla cross the feel of when you drive is just way more sturdy and feels like its built better than the Corolla cross, but I would opt for one with less extras. Alot of it is just nice to haves and not needed.

hope this helps
 
An update,

We ended up getting a T-Cross for a relatively solid price (by 2023 standards) compared to a Venue which was, strangely enough, more expensive.

Not sure what the issue is locally with second hand cars, but their prices just don't make sense. I got an auto 2023 t-Cross (with infotainment and park package) for cheaper than what some dealerships are selling less specc'd 2022 t-crosses with higher mileage. Bit outside our original budget, but it was the car we both liked the most of the ones tested.

We got a 4 year maintenance plan on top of it as well.

Now the shit news: Aircon is faulty, so it's already in the shop to get it fixed

Farking hell. VW, not off to a great start.
 
Subaru. Non turbo

Forrie or outback or xv


But a 2020. Model is higher than your price range

No hijack risk and safe
 
i was at one stage a complete VW nutter - even had a Polo GTi once upon a time but if i was going to buy a car now - i would avoid anything with the name Polo - the Polo hatch is one of the most hijacked vehicles in SA and because many parts are interchangeable across the family (Sedan, cross or whatever) - i would just avoid the Polo altogether BUT that's just me

my sister had one of those Hyundai Elantra's and while traveling from JHB back to Durban she rolled it over inbetween two trucks and landed up getting a Toyota Urban Cruiser with the insurance money to replace it ..... it is pretty damn nice - IMHO far better than any normal Polo and i would grab one of those in a heartbeat if i could afford to buy a new car - each time i drive it i hate having to go back to driving my 2011 Nissan NP200 bakkie - which is like "shit gone bad for a month" compared to driving the Urban Cruiser
 
VolderTort said:
Eish. That sucks man.

If you dont mind saying, what price did you end up getting it for?
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Our original budget was between 350-380K. This was 399K.

2nd hand t-Crosses with much more mileage and lower spec were selling for 380K or more.

Using this info, I even tried to get a local dealership to sell a second hand 2022 t-cross for lower and they said they cannot go lower.

Believe it was for this exact advert: 2022 Volkswagen T-Cross 1.0 TSI Comfortline Auto

As I said, 2nd hand prices are stupid.
 
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