Get fast RAM. (3600 recommended)What's the TLDW?
Correct. In the first Video, Jay used a 3950X and 2080TI.Faster is better but has diminishing returns if I am not mistaken? Pulling off the top of my head on that one though.
You can still OC though. Timings might be more of a challenge though. For mine (Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4-3200), I simply set memory speed to 3400 and IF to 1700 and weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee free performance.I was going to OC my RAM yesterday with DRAM and found out I Have M-die modules, literally never heard of it and DRAM doesn't have it xD
You can still OC though. Timings might be more of a challenge though. For mine (Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4-3200), I simply set memory speed to 3400 and IF to 1700 and weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee free performance.
EDIT: (PS. You don't have to weeeeeeeeeeeee)
Infinity Fabric. It should be exactly 0.5 of the RAM speed ideally, otherwise latency is introduced. So DDR4-3200, IF of 1600.I have the same RAM. Going to try as soon as I find out what IF means
Get fast RAM. (3600 recommended)
Enable POB.
Set IF to half RAM speed.
Profit.
Infinity Fabric. It should be exactly 0.5 of the RAM speed ideally, otherwise latency is introduced. So DDR4-3200, IF of 1600.
It does help though.EDIT: (PS. You don't have to weeeeeeeeeeeee)
What are your base speeds for the RAM?It does help though.
I got Micron E Die for this very reason - it'll overclock to 4000mhz and easily do 3600mhz with better timings. It was £77 (R1500).
I don't understand Intel's reasoning behind not letting their non Z boards not run higher speed RAM. That's like having all the power and just adding a cap to the end of your output.
Sure, they will still sell boatloads of the product via OEM builders but still, you could get a much faster machine for the same price just by ticking one box.
3200CL14What are your base speeds for the RAM?
I also have Micron E-die, but it's only 2666Mhz. I should be getting my Ryzen kit in the next few days (thanks @Senshi) and I'm already wondering what I could expect to OC to...
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I have to partially disagree with you here, and I'm a self-proclaimed AMD fan./snip
Rethink your "Intel is better for gaming" viewpoints, pretty sure if GN re-ran the benchmarks on a 3rd gen with a decent kit vs the 9900K or KS the AMD will tie or come out on top.
Yea, AMD has done an amazing job at closing the "ultimate FPS' gap that existed for years, and absolutely trouncing Intel at pretty much everything else. Intel is still the "Fastest for gaming" at the highest level. But most people aren't spending that type of money. For people who have a budget to consider, there's no reason to go Intel unless you have a specific use case where Intel is better (Photoshop or MAX FPS, basically.)I have to partially disagree with you here, and I'm a self-proclaimed AMD fan.
If you're comparing Ryzen with OC RAM, you have to compare to Intel with OC core clocks.
GN did an article where they pushed the 10600K to 5.1Ghz. I compared the FPS in that article to those in the 3900X with OC RAM, for the few games that were common between the two. The FPS difference between the two is around 5 FPS in most cases.
Getting a 4.9 or 5.0 GHz overclock on a 10600K seems to be quite easy and within the realm of the casual user. Getting 4000MHz on RAM is not. Never mind the fact that you have to buy expensive RAM to get there.
Comparing the 3900X with 3600MHz CL16 RAM, the OC'd 10600K is still quite a bit ahead - 10 - 15% IIRC.
So an absolute power overclocker with super expensive RAM can get a 3900X to nearly beat a 10600K at an overclock that is achievable by most casual overclockers.
Hence, overall, Intel is still the FPS king.
I still think Ryzen is a better buy at pretty much every price point though.
Intel locking features to the top chipset is just shitty business practice in my view. AMD B-series chipsets are just so much better value for money for pretty much everyone except very serious overclockers./snip
I don't understand Intel's reasoning behind not letting their non Z boards not run higher speed RAM. That's like having all the power and just adding a cap to the end of your output.
So an absolute power overclocker with super expensive RAM can get a 3900X to nearly beat a 10600K at an overclock that is achievable by most casual overclockers.
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I have to partially disagree with you here, and I'm a self-proclaimed AMD fan.
If you're comparing Ryzen with OC RAM, you have to compare to Intel with OC core clocks.
GN did an article where they pushed the 10600K to 5.1Ghz. I compared the FPS in that article to those in the 3900X with OC RAM, for the few games that were common between the two. The FPS difference between the two is around 5 FPS in most cases.
Getting a 4.9 or 5.0 GHz overclock on a 10600K seems to be quite easy and within the realm of the casual user. Getting 4000MHz on RAM is not. Never mind the fact that you have to buy expensive RAM to get there.
Comparing the 3900X with 3600MHz CL16 RAM, the OC'd 10600K is still quite a bit ahead - 10 - 15% IIRC.
So an absolute power overclocker with super expensive RAM can get a 3900X to nearly beat a 10600K at an overclock that is achievable by most casual overclockers.
Hence, overall, Intel is still the FPS king.
I still think Ryzen is a better buy at pretty much every price point though.
But could you realistically achieve 4000 MHz with that kit? As an example, I'm a casual overclocker. I have a 3700X, X570 mobo, and B-die RAM (Corsair 3200MHz CL14). After about six hours total of tweaking with DRAM Calculator, I couldn't get my RAM stable at 3800 MHz even at the Safe preset. And I don't mean 24 hours of P95 stable, I was getting thousands of errors on OCCT after only about 40 minutes.You don’t even need super expensive RAM though, Crucial Ballistix E Die is R1949 in South Africa.
Combine that with a B450 Tomahawk and an AMD 3950X and you would be hard pressed to beat it.
But could you realistically achieve 4000 MHz with that kit? As an example, I'm a casual overclocker. I have a 3700X, X570 mobo, and B-die RAM (Corsair 3200MHz CL14). After about six hours total of tweaking with DRAM Calculator, I couldn't get my RAM stable at 3800 MHz even at the Safe preset. And I don't mean 24 hours of P95 stable, I was getting thousands of errors on OCCT after only about 40 minutes.
If I had spent the same time and energy on overclocking a 10600K, even with my limited experience, I'm 80% sure my FPS would be quite a bit better than I'm getting now.
Intel locking features to the top chipset is just shitty business practice in my view. AMD B-series chipsets are just so much better value for money for pretty much everyone except very serious overclockers.
But could you realistically achieve 4000 MHz with that kit? As an example, I'm a casual overclocker. I have a 3700X, X570 mobo, and B-die RAM (Corsair 3200MHz CL14). After about six hours total of tweaking with DRAM Calculator, I couldn't get my RAM stable at 3800 MHz even at the Safe preset. And I don't mean 24 hours of P95 stable, I was getting thousands of errors on OCCT after only about 40 minutes.
If I had spent the same time and energy on overclocking a 10600K, even with my limited experience, I'm 80% sure my FPS would be quite a bit better than I'm getting now.
I'm not disputing the fact that Ryzen is better value (as you may have seen in my previous post).You are comparing apples with Kangaroo's. The AMD's see tangible performance increases without having to oc, buying a "standard" kit of ram, setting XMP and off you go.
The intel's you have to overclock and not all sample's are the same.
You cannot compare the costs as the new 10th series (and their boards) are equally (and in some cases more) expensive.
What Buildzoid can achieve and what the average gamer looking for a casual performance boost can achieve, are two different things. I'm not saying your RAM or my RAM can't hit those lofty highs in the right hands. But I think the casual oke will still achieve more success overclocking Intel core clock than Ryzen RAM.It’ll run at 1.4v and you’d need a decent memory controller on your board but yes, it gets the nod of approval from Buildzoid.
Most gamers, including myself, game at 1080p.@goldfritter what resolution, 1080p/1440p or 4k? Difference might be on 1080p, but not 10-15% on anything higher.