Junior Software Developer

[Jakesvt02]

Junior Java Developer Required - Centurion

Our company is looking for a Junior Java Developer, salary is between R8000 and R13 000 depending on experience and skills.


We specialize in:

Vehicle Tracking

Fleet Management

Android Development

Cloud Infrastructure Development

Integrated Device Development

Biometric Development

Various Online Services


Skills Needed :

Java

HTML

Javascript

SQL

Android (optional)

C (optional)


0 - 2 years of experience

You do not need a degree or certificate in order to apply, if interested please reply to this ad or email your cv to cv@techss.co.za.

Add the answer to the following question in the subject of your email :


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If possible, include some source code that works (will help to determine your coding ability).

Must be fluent in English and Afrikaans.

If you do not hear from us within two weeks, please consider your application unsuccessful.

 

[Killar01]

Is this an internship? Or are you asking for someone with that skill set for that salary?

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[UnBreakable_D]

yeah f*ck me where they going to live for 8k alexandria. I think its pretty disgusting that you will pay someone with a skillset that takes a lot of work to develop less that what a general admin lady or front desk person earns nowadays

 

[DeityRaid]

I imagine 8k is for someone without degree or certificate with 0 years working experience, honestly don't think 8k it's that unreasonable. Although I wouldn't be settling for 13k with quals & 2 years exp.

 

[thePridge]

I imagine 8k is for someone without degree or certificate with 0 years working experience, honestly don't think 8k it's that unreasonable. Although I wouldn't be settling for 13k with quals & 2 years exp.

Nobody is going to hire someone with zero experience and zero qualifications as a developer.
MAAAAAYBE if the dude has done a whole bunch of work himself at home... but then he doesn't have "zero" experience.

 

[Zaggermeister]

Not saying it's heavily underpaid, but one of my friends got a job in the cloud computing sector, fresh out of Uni and he makes 35k a month. Most of the other guys earn between 18-25k a month.

I do understand that every company's budget is different and not everyone can expect a salary as high as that, but I did get a job offer in a smaller town and in the end my netto salary was around the 13k. This was after my benefits like medical aid and pension fund were deducted and tax too. Take in mind this was a smaller town, cheaper living expenses, at most work is 5k away and there's little to no traffic because it is a plaas dorpie.

 

[DeityRaid]

Nobody is going to hire someone with zero experience and zero qualifications as a developer.
MAAAAAYBE if the dude has done a whole bunch of work himself at home... but then he doesn't have "zero" experience.

That is why I said working experience & at the end of the day, that's all they going to get for 8k. If they want more, they'll have to pay more. Not sure why an unqualified, little to none experience position is being compared to those that walked into high end starter salaries where a degree is required.

 

[HolyCowImAnoOb]

I started off at this place many moons ago, a great place with a great vibe to get some hands on experience quickly.

The owner is also quite intelligent and loves to share his knowledge to improve his workforce's skills.

 

[kashy]

I started off at this place many moons ago, a great place with a great vibe to get some hands on experience quickly.

The owner is also quite intelligent and loves to share his knowledge to improve his workforce's skills.

I second this.
Worked here for about 3 years. Pretty cool place to be at. A very young energetic atmosphere, with loads of knowledge being shared. In my time there not just was the owner open to sharing he's knowledge but everyone was. Some of the best years of my life were there

 

[eyesuc]

Maybe I'm getting old now... As a junior dev I started off with R2k per month. With R8k as a starting salary I could have been retired by now.

 

[x3llo]

Guess this ties into my post about what is a realist salary.

 

[FalloutFan]

I second this.
Worked here for about 3 years. Pretty cool place to be at. A very young energetic atmosphere, with loads of knowledge being shared. In my time there not just was the owner open to sharing he's knowledge but everyone was. Some of the best years of my life were there

All mentioned above i can confirm as well

i myself worked here for almost 3 years and left here 8 months ago the owner treats you like a friend / family and he has a way of teaching people how to diagnose problems like now other institution or college ever will and the people that work here are awesome one should not just look at the salary as the knowledge you receive and the growth as a developer makes up for the money.

i can honestly say that this company has helped me pave my future and i met my best friends by working here

 

[x3llo]

@FalloutFan @kashy @HolyCowImAnoOb well Clearly something must be wrong then of all 3 of u worked there and 2 outta the 3 of u left within 3 years so did u reach ur max growth after 3 years or why would one leave a company that u guys portraying so highly? Better pay? Better environment more growth ?

 

[FalloutFan]

@FalloutFan @kashy @HolyCowImAnoOb well Clearly something must be wrong then of all 3 of u worked there and 2 outta the 3 of u left within 3 years so did u reach ur max growth after 3 years or why would one leave a company that u guys portraying so highly? Better pay? Better environment more growth ?

My reason

it was for growth at the end of the day it is a small company i have a special needs child so from my point of view i had to chase something bigger to be able to provide for my sons therapy if i had no responsibility i would still be there today. but again i would not have the job i have today if i did not have this opportunity

hope that makes sense

 

[thePridge]

Not saying it's heavily underpaid, but one of my friends got a job in the cloud computing sector, fresh out of Uni and he makes 35k a month. Most of the other guys earn between 18-25k a month.

I do understand that every company's budget is different and not everyone can expect a salary as high as that, but I did get a job offer in a smaller town and in the end my netto salary was around the 13k. This was after my benefits like medical aid and pension fund were deducted and tax too. Take in mind this was a smaller town, cheaper living expenses, at most work is 5k away and there's little to no traffic because it is a plaas dorpie.

That is a crazy starting salary fresh out of uni. You can "buy a house and settle down" on R35K a month :-O

 

[HolyCowImAnoOb]

@FalloutFan @kashy @HolyCowImAnoOb well Clearly something must be wrong then of all 3 of u worked there and 2 outta the 3 of u left within 3 years so did u reach ur max growth after 3 years or why would one leave a company that u guys portraying so highly? Better pay? Better environment more growth ?

I'm at my second job after this one now, and every time i leave is because i found a opportunity that suits my needs a bit better (Financially, Stimulative and Personal Skill Growth). And thanks to this job i was able to ace my interviews.

BTW nobody contacted me to mention anything here. I'm doing it on my ace..

 

[x3llo]

I agree, i also work for a smaller company, its better to work for them than larger companies as there your just a number

 

[thePridge]

I agree, i also work for a smaller company, its better to work for them than larger companies as there your just a number

I feel like I might be one of the "older boiz" lol (I've been a dev for like 15 years).
It's often better to work for a smaller company, but not always.
I've had a couple of bad experiences (which lead to interesting explaining sessions when people look at my CV lol)

You have to weigh up what works for you at the current time in your life and what you currently want to achieve.
Personally, I'm not a fan of being a number in a big machine... Hence currently working for myself.
But for some people it's the right fit, so better for them.

One thing I have learnt when it comes to the whole salary thing is it's crazy out there... there are juniors earning more than what I did after working for 6+ years... There are senior guys working for peanuts. I have literally been in meetings where they were discussing prospects and statements like "he has just been retrenched so he is desperate [and will accept a lower offer (implied)]".

An inhouse developer where the software is created for and by the company will usually earn less than someone who works for a dev shop... But even at a dev shop you can get bent over... They'll pay you R150 per hour and charge out your time at R1000 per hour and put you on site at a client... Then the client is expecting R1000 per hour work but only getting R150 an hour work. They'll put R1000 per hour pressure on the poor junior sitting there and work him ded.

There are a couple of more junior guys I want to help out with some extra work, but right now I can't afford it so I'm working with one more experienced guy. As time passes I'm hoping to start getting some more junior guys in that I can slowly grow their responsibility level and stuff.

That is why I said working experience & at the end of the day, that's all they going to get for 8k. If they want more, they'll have to pay more. Not sure why an unqualified, little to none experience position is being compared to those that walked into high end starter salaries where a degree is required.

I think you may have misunderstood me after I maybe misunderstood you? I think that @OP was meaning either degree/diploma OR like 2 years experience. Your statement made it seem like "AND" i.e. someone with no skills and no qualifications... There would be no real value in hiring someone with both of those aspects at "zero" at the same time if you were hiring someone as a junior Java dev, because you could much rather hire someone who is already moving in that direction (either by learned skills or qualifications of some sort).

 

[toy1985]

Maybe I'm getting old now... As a junior dev I started off with R2k per month. With R8k as a starting salary I could have been retired by now.

Haha. Same here, my first dev job I earned 2k per month.


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[codemonkey]

I started working in 2005 for 8K a month and even then it was difficult to make it work. 14 years later minimum salary for a junior dev should be at least double that imo.

 

[thePridge]

I started working in 2005 for 8K a month and even then it was difficult to make it work. 14 years later minimum salary for a junior dev should be at least double that imo.

These questions are so I can understand your perspective:
What did you classify "make it work" as?
Were you living with your folks?
Sharing a house with mates?
Or did you live alone?

I started on R4500 per month... got lifts to work and back (carpool, stood on the side of the highway waiting for the lift), lived with my folks, didn't buy a car right a way.
I got an increase to R8000 per month after 3 month probation. This was 2006.

Could I have lived on my own then? Probably JUST JUST... but I would have had to live in a sucky area and have little to no medical cover, insurance etc.

 

[codemonkey]

These questions are so I can understand your perspective:
What did you classify "make it work" as?
Were you living with your folks?
Sharing a house with mates?
Or did you live alone?

I started on R4500 per month... got lifts to work and back (carpool, stood on the side of the highway waiting for the lift), lived with my folks, didn't buy a car right a way.
I got an increase to R8000 per month after 3 month probation. This was 2006.

Could I have lived on my own then? Probably JUST JUST... but I would have had to live in a sucky area and have little to no medical cover, insurance etc.

Back then I shared a flat with 3 other people. Paid my own medical aid , car (bought the cheapest - an atos), insurance , electricity, groceries and had a little left over to take my girlfriend(now wife) out each month

 

[Zaggermeister]

That is a crazy starting salary fresh out of uni. You can "buy a house and settle down" on R35K a month :-O

He works in the cloud computing division of a company, did a few udemy courses on cloud computing and managed to talk the talk and walk the walk in the interview. Not really an ethical approach, but what goes around comes around. 🤷‍♂️

 

[stacerasus]

This is a very interesting read, honest...

I started my first dev job in 2010, after completing a certificate in software development and my starting salary was just short of R160 000 p/a (which translates to R13 000 per month) which was consider a decent offer back then. Not that I disagree with the general consensus here (13k is measly), but I had it easy, living with my folks for another year after starting work, didn't have study debt and a car already, so 13k (which was closer to 10k after deductions) was luxury.

One thing (which is the point of my post here) about the IT Industry is the room for growth. I have not work in another industry myself, but comparing where I am now from where I started with friends in other industries (some mates are engineers, lawyers, accountants and even one an actuary) , and I've definitely climbed the quickest with the least tertiary education.

By the time I moved on from my starting company, they had me at around R350 000 p/a after 3 years of working there, only to start at my next company with 50k p/a even more than that.

Long of the short, I agree, 8k a month - that is mince, can't do shit with that - hell, even 13k a month in the current climate will be tough....but..... if whoever goes for it, is genuinely interested in development/IT/debugging/testing/supporting/whatever and dedicates good time and effort into personal growth in that area, then you're bound to be sorted going forward and climb out of that measly bracket rather quickly.
A good company will notice you're growth and keep you happy with $$$$, and if not, another company will see your potential and have you jump ship for more $$$$.

I do agree with what @HolyCowImAnoOb, @FalloutFan and @kashy said though - its not always about the money (although, it is always about the money, lol). Sometimes the return in form of learning, growing and enjoying your job outweighs your income bracket, truly.
(I am currently working in corporate, on a solid package, but often find myself debating getting out to increase my quality of life by working less, traveling less, but also obviously, earning less).
Fact is, I've seen it over and over - high paying jobs often require much sacrifice from the individual, and more often than not, those sacrifices get old quickly.

.... my two cents

 

[HolyCowImAnoOb]

One thing (which is the point of my post here) about the IT Industry is the room for growth