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Howzit okes and ladies

I know nothing about inverters and backup power and would like to find a solution to keep my gaming PC running reliably through loadshedding. I took guidance from this Carbonite thread and after some searching found this offer at First Shop. I don't know them nor the product. Reading through Hellopeter it seems they are legit, but I certainly welcome more opinions and would really appreciate feedback on this deal and or especially any other advice anyone might have to offer my clueless self.

Tia
 
Howzit okes and ladies

I know nothing about inverters and backup power and would like to find a solution to keep my gaming PC running reliably through loadshedding. I took guidance from this Carbonite thread and after some searching found this offer at First Shop. I don't know them nor the product. Reading through Hellopeter it seems they are legit, but I certainly welcome more opinions and would really appreciate feedback on this deal and or especially any other advice anyone might have to offer my clueless self.

Tia
Are you asking whether FirstShop is legit? If so, yes, they've been around for a long time (although I can't attest to the quality of their service having never bought there myself).

As to the inverter. Try provide more info. Especially the specs of the PC you're using, how long you'd like to power it, and how many other things are connected - especially the monitors. Also what games you're playing.

You then need an inverter that has both enough power output (W) to power the maximum power draw of the PC, and enough battery capacity (WH) to sustain the load over the desired duration.

For best results it may worth getting a Kill-a-Watt meter to measure your PC's consumption when gaming. But it can be possible to estimate given the info I mentioned above.

The inverter you linked should run most gaming PC's through two hours of load shedding, but it comes with AGM batteries. These aren't designed to be charged and discharged repeatedly so once they've been subject to load shedding for a few months, they'll struggle to hold the same charge as they held at the start. You're better off finding something with lithium batteries.
 
First shop is 100% legit but they are hit or miss depending the sales guy you get but generally they can be quite reliable. PM me if you want a few names who have helped me at first shop if you go that route.

The rest i leave to carb.
 
Are you asking whether FirstShop is legit? If so, yes, they've been around for a long time (although I can't attest to the quality of their service having never bought there myself).
Thanks

As to the inverter. Try provide more info. Especially the specs of the PC you're using, how long you'd like to power it, and how many other things are connected - especially the monitors. Also what games you're playing.
I'd like it to be able to cover loadshedding, always. I'm just trying to find a solution for my PC (not TV, lights, fridge, or anything else)

My PC has a 700W PSU so I'd like to assume that's the max it can use, but it should be less not to fail, right, so:

I have
2 monitors, a 27" HDMI 1080p and 32" DP 1440p
AMD Ryzen 5 3500X 6 Core Processor
AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT GPU

Perhaps the most resource intensive games I play are games like Path of Exile, ARK Survival Evolved, Starfield, but typically I'm an older guy, I play old school stuff.

The inverter you linked should run most gaming PC's through two hours of load shedding, but it comes with AGM batteries. These aren't designed to be charged and discharged repeatedly so once they've been subject to load shedding for a few months, they'll struggle to hold the same charge as they held at the start. You're better off finding something with lithium batteries.
I was looking for lithium batteries, as I read that is what I need, just didn't have any idea AGM was something else. Good thing I came asking for advice as clearly technical stuff is tricky when you don't have the knowledge.

Thanks for your help. Any recommendations on solutions perhaps?
 
First shop is 100% legit but they are hit or miss depending the sales guy you get but generally they can be quite reliable. PM me if you want a few names who have helped me at first shop if you go that route.

The rest i leave to carb.
Thanks a bunch, I'll certainly keep that in mind.
 
My issue with these Mercer units is that I don't know whether they are capable of effectively recharging LiFePO4 batteries.

The voltage delivery curve when charging these two types of batteries are different, and I believe the Mercer units only have lead acid based battery charging curves "hard coded"/Wired into the unit.
This means that the inverter unit would not be delivering the right voltage to the LiFePO4 battery in order to effectively charge them, and may damage the batteries in the long run.

If you are looking for longevity, the LiFePO4 based batteries will last quite a lot longer than Lead Acid based batteries, there is a trade-off in price, though.

If it's for the duration of 2-4 hours, and using a generous consumption of 600 Watts for a gaming PC, you'd need an equivalent of ±2500Wh worth of power. (Portable solutions 1000Wh @ ±R11k, 2000Wh @±R20k)

While typing this, I noticed that you mentioned a 700Watt power supply - most modern power supplies supply power "as required" by the components demanding.

Ryzen 5 3500X - ±70Watts (Given it is not overclocked to any degree)
Monitors - No more than ±50 Watts each
Radeon RX 6700 XT - ±250Watts.

Total: ±420 ~ 450Watts.

GeeWiz has this solution with 2560Wh LiFePO4 battery, based on a 400-600 wat consumption, this solution can last 4.2 - 6.4hrs. for R16,000.00 with a replacement battery (after 2000 cycles) costing anywhere between R7.5k-R10k - Depending on brand and quality. Given that Geewiz couples this with an inverter (RCT Brand) which I have read is quite reliable.

Comparing this to Lead acid type batteries, 12v 100Ah AGM batteries are priced at ±R2800 each, in order to provide the same endurance as the above mentioned solution, the expense on a pair of 2x (12v 100Ah) batteries is R5,600.00.

This costs ±R3000 less than LiFePO4 HOWEVER - These AGM batteries hardly ever last more than 8 months during load shedding Stages 4-6) with 2x 4-hour sessions a day. - The cycle life on Lead Acid is anywhere from 600-800 charge/discharge cycles, 8 months of loadshedding @ 4-hours each time, twice a day, equates to 480 cycles.

LiFePO4 starts at 2000 cycles guaranteed life (most manufacturers also include a 2-3year warranty), with the capacity of the battery hardly dropping below 80%. (which is still effectively 2048Wh.)

In comparison, Lead Acid based batteries' capacity drops to 50% after 600 cycles, and becomes unusable after ±75% capacity, due to the voltage supply becoming inadequate over time, whereas Lithium/LiFePO4 batteries have a much more stable voltage supply.

In addition to this, you can jerry-rig this inverter to a circuit in your house, or insert the power solution at the front of the chain of things you want to power.

The optimal way to do this, is to incorporate a reserve power circuit breaker and plug into your distribution board, and leave the unit standing nearby your DB Board. - this way, the house will have uninterrupted power, as long as you don't use the Oven, Stove, Geyser, etc.

TL;DR: Buy LiFePO4 batteries, the Lead Acid stuff sucks and needs to be replaced every 10 months (that's being generous).
 
Inevitably, what SA is doing with grid-tied inverters, that charge via Eskom, is shifting the power demand from a "peak" to an "off-peak" time, not really reducing the strain placed on Eskom to meet demand, but rather only shifting it. Not really contributing to the solution of the problem, only making it convenient for the user.

The benefit of the unit I mentioned is that it is capable of also being coupled with solar panels should you wish to put the entire unit off-grid.

I'll have to do some math, but by the looks of it, you can add QTY 2x solar panels (producing somewhere between 400-450watts) to this system, supplying (when the sun is shining bright and overhead) 800-900watts of power, meaning the battery should charge back up to 100% in about 3 hours. 4 hours to be safe.
 
Don't buy that one.
Rather get something that uses lithium batteries - which is going to cost a fortune.

The way that I have my setup is I have a normal UPS, a 1200va mercer one that uses 2x 12v 7 to 9ah batteries, this runs the pc for about 10 minutes while get the generator up and running.
Generator too loud? Mine makes less noise than a car engine idling. I have a Gentech 2kw silent generator, new they are around R10k or here is a link ([For Sale] - Gentech 2KVA Push Start Generator Green (GP2000ISE) | Off-the-Grid (Power)) to someone selling the upgraded one (has the button to start it - yay) for R5k on carb. Mine is also inside a big box with 2 server fans pushing fresh air in, with ducting from the exhaust to outside the box (ducting is the type that you can buy from builders, will be next to the exhaust fans for bathrooms - they are made with aluminium foil) meaning no fumes get ingested into engine. The box is also lined with rockwool (like that insulation stuff you put in your roof but non flammable even at super high temps) - helps with noise.

Overall will cost you a lot less than an inverter and will last a shit load longer if you service it frequently. If you want photos message me 071 677 5515.
 
GeeWiz has this solution with 2560Wh LiFePO4 battery, based on a 400-600 wat consumption, this solution can last 4.2 - 6.4hrs. for R16,000.00 with a replacement battery (after 2000 cycles) costing anywhere between R7.5k-R10k - Depending on brand and quality. Given that Geewiz couples this with an inverter (RCT Brand) which I have read is quite reliable.
@Sarge_101 the solution linked here is likely to be the cheapest way to ensure your PC runs through 4 hours of load shedding no matter what you play.
 
Thanks a bunch everyone, I was hopeful that I might receive some advice here but this has been overwhelmingly good. Makes me proud to be a Saffa. :)
 

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