Cooler Master announces 2nd Gen Master Liquid ML360 SUB-ZERO EVO [Press Release]

[Gouhan]

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Cooler Master has engineered the 2nd generation of the innovative Thermoelectric Cooling (TEC) solution with the launch of the new MasterLiquid ML360 SUB-ZERO EVO. In collaboration with Intel® Cooler Master has developed an AIO to attain sub-ambient cooling in combination with Intel® Cryo Cooling Technology, creating the ultimate All-In-One liquid cooler that delivers the best cooling performance for Intel’s performance CPUs

The new ML360 Sub-Zero EVO features upgraded hardware, including a water block with integrated TEC technology combined with a redesigned pump, capable of achieving CPU temperatures previously unseen in any AIO liquid coolers...

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[iamgigglz]

I wonder if there’s a condensation clause in mobo warranties…

 

[ovisser1]

I wonder if there’s a condensation clause in mobo warranties…

I was hoping they're smart enough to only cool to slightly above ambient to avoid it.

I'd buy this in a heartbeat with summer coming up.

 

[dainluke]

IMO, this is a great idea plagued by poor execution.

1. Dump RGB, or have it run a generic colour cycle until intervened upon by some or other ARGB sync cable like the Palit GameRock cards do.
2. Arctic method of daisy-chaining and eliminating all excess fan cables so that only one cable needs to be plugged into CPU Fan for PWM fan control and monitoring.
3. Have AIO power feed into something like a single EPS or two PCIe power cables.
4. Have a physical wattage toggle on the TEC that denotes strength of the Peltier Effect on your cooling load.
5. Under no circumstance should one need to use XTU and stuff like IABT or TVB. This should function as a regular AIO that happens to have tremendous cooling potential. If the psychical switch is on the block and it’s easily accessible, one can simply dial in depending on the ambient temp they’re observing if they’re fearing condensation. Would be so easy.

I’d honestly pay like R7000 for it if they can sell me something like that. For the physical toggle, they can even label the Peltier Effect strength as ‘Gamer,’ ‘Overclock,’ and ‘XOC.’ That will help simplify it for the average person. The ‘Gamer’ toggle can be a very modest functioning level of the TEC to where it draws a conservative amount of power and cools a few degrees better than something like an Arctic 420.

Even better idea, the different toggles could denote target liquid temp. So you could have the TEC hooked up to sensors that monitor liquid temp (like in Corsair AIOs), and then have threshold values for liquid temp. So if you’re at the XOC setting, maybe you never want liquid temp above 15-20c and that would obviously require the TEC to draw a large amount of power if you’re maintaining that under R23 for instance.

 

[ovisser1]

IMO, this is a great idea plagued by poor execution.

1. Dump RGB, or have it run a generic colour cycle until intervened upon by some or other ARGB sync cable like the Palit GameRock cards do.
2. Arctic method of daisy-chaining and eliminating all excess fan cables so that only one cable needs to be plugged into CPU Fan for PWM fan control and monitoring.
3. Have AIO power feed into something like a single EPS or two PCIe power cables.
4. Have a physical wattage toggle on the TEC that denotes strength of the Peltier Effect on your cooling load.
5. Under no circumstance should one need to use XTU and stuff like IABT or TVB. This should function as a regular AIO that happens to have tremendous cooling potential. If the psychical switch is on the block and it’s easily accessible, one can simply dial in depending on the ambient temp they’re observing if they’re fearing condensation. Would be so easy. I’d honestly pay like R7000 for it if they can sell my something like that.

Close - progenix has it listed for 5500+- currently

Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360 Sub-Zero AIO Liquid Cooler, 360mm

The MasterLiquid ML360 Sub-Zero powered by Intel Cryo Cooling Technology delivers a cooling solution unlike that of your traditional thermal solutions. Allowing the processor to be able to reach higher frequencies at lower voltages due to behavioral chara

progenix.co.za

 

[dainluke]

Close - progenix has it listed for 5500+- currently

Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360 Sub-Zero AIO Liquid Cooler, 360mm

The MasterLiquid ML360 Sub-Zero powered by Intel Cryo Cooling Technology delivers a cooling solution unlike that of your traditional thermal solutions. Allowing the processor to be able to reach higher frequencies at lower voltages due to behavioral chara

progenix.co.za

That variant still doesn’t address the physical control of the TEC and doesn’t support LGA 1700 anyway. It’s just a glaring issue that will never make it attractive to people who take OCing seriously unfortunately.

 

[ovisser1]

That variant still doesn’t address the physical control of the TEC and doesn’t support LGA 1700 anyway. It’s just a glaring issue that will never make it attractive to people who take OCing seriously unfortunately.

Correct, but your pricing would be spot on if they do decide to do a better version.

 

[dainluke]

Correct, but your pricing would be spot on if they do decide to do a better version.

They could legit sell the physical toggle as a bonus feature variant and I’d still pay for it 🤣💀. Obviously I’d have a threshold, but an actually useful TEC AIO to me would be well worth the price of a semi-decent custom loop. With the mode of functioning I specified, this variant could even be platform agnostic. The mount would just need to be swapped out.

 

[Gouhan]

Used and still have the original version for the LGA 1200 socket. The issues there were not so numerous, the biggest one was the noise from the unit. It was almost, no it was unbearable and CM acknowledged that.

The purpose of this cooler is for opportunistic sub ambient cooling, where you can increase frequency for lightly threaded tasks and perhaps hold all core Turbo frequencies a little longer than otherwise possible. It does not however allow you greater clocks for your full load OC. The TEC simply can't handle that. CM could make it so, and in fact the unlimited mode on the older generation allows this to some degree, but realize you are using 300W or so just for cooling at that point.

As for software, unfortunately this sort of cooling does need intelligence, because it needs to avoid condensation (which is does exceptionally well), balance power draw and control temps at the same time, without user intervention. Issue is ramping up the cooling when required, and scaling it down when it's not, quickly enough.

This is a high end cooling solution, but purely because of physics limits when dealing with TEC units, you'll get the best results from 13600K or something like that where the TEC can better cope with the thermal loads. My current 13600K is limited to 5.5GHZ all core Turbo, but with this unit, I could realistically push 5.6GHz (dialing in a greater negative offset on my V/F curve) and perhaps 6GHz on lightly threaded tasks.

On bigger CPUs like the 13900K, it is less useful and restricted purely to lightly threaded work loads as even a full 8P load without E cores would be too much.