Chery / Haval worth it?

[Chillypip]

We bought the H6 hybrid about 8 months ago. Put on 20k km and it has not missed a beat. We are more than happy with it. PLENTY of power. 179kw 530nm puts a smile on my face every time my foot gets heavy. Gets between 5 and 6 L/100 in town and between 6 and 7 on travelling (that's hybrid for you.)

 

[Chillypip]

We bought the H6 hybrid about 8 months ago. Put on 20k km and it has not missed a beat. We are more than happy with it. PLENTY of power. 179kw 530nm put's a smile on my face every time my foot gets heavy. Get between 5 and 6 L/100 in town and between 6 and 7 on travelling (that's hybrid for you.)

Oh and of course... 7year/200k warranty and 8 year/150k on the battery

 

[SteveIndeed]

What is the main requirement for the new car?

Consider a Suzuki, perhaps a used Vitara. Most the Suzukis are so simple that they'll be infinitely reliable if serviced regularly and properly.

 

[Qui_Illustrati]

what alternatives are there at this price point.

This point exactly is why these vehicles are becoming more common on our roads. To our inevitable detriment I fear.
But it's still a very valid argument. There simply is no comparison on the surface. Side by side the Chinese cars win the value for money argument when put up against pretty much anything else.

This is by design though. I sincerely think we ALL know that long term they simply will not last.

Consumers are being duped with the whole value for money thing. Delve a bit deeper with a more long term view though and I predict the argument will be settled, and not in favor of the Chinese vehicles.

I guess time will tell

 

[Divan85]

I guess time will tell

That's the prblem. They haven't been on the market long enough to see what the long term quality / reliability is. Also not able to see re-sale value as they are all relatively new.

What about a tiguan?

Due to the price of the Tiguan the only one I will be able to afford is the base model. And to be honest the Tiguan has never really stood out to me. Also not a fan of the 1.4T, but honestly not a fair comment as I have never driven one or even been in one.

 

[TheRealRoko]

Hey there, we own and manage a fleet of about 100 vehicles. It's a complete smorgasbord of every possible make and type of vehicle. From our experience (still anecdotal):
1. Mahindra is an absolute nightmare. We have problem vehicles that not even Mahindra knows how to fix, and we have similar problems cropping up on other Mahindra's across the fleet. This doesn't mean it isn't commercially viable as they are so cheap, just that it absolutely sucks giant ding dong having to manage and maintain them. Some of the vehicles run fine, so it's hit and miss.
2. GWM & Haval, absolute pleasure. We have everything from the GWM Steed 5 (single cab) to the P Series LT 4x4 and H6. Fantastic vehicles.
3. Everything else (Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, etc) operate as expected.

I used to own a fully electric vehicle for 18 months (living in the UK). If I had the choice I would never drive a combustion engine again. I live in Zambia though so that's not an option. Might be an option in ZA.

 

[Qui_Illustrati]

Also not able to see re-sale value as they are all relatively new.

I can tell you this much. Resale value is absolutely shite! I mean very bad as things stand.
I got it in my head not too long ago, when I just wasn't getting the damn throttle control and was spinning wheels all over the show, to get rid of my Chery and I eventually will but the ONLY reason I'm still driving it, apart from the fact it's not yet falling apart, is that I hazarded a go at getting a sale price from WebuyCars. Only because it was the easiest option to gauge what I could get not because I wanted to follow through right then and there. They offered 120k less than I paid.

Sure - one can't really gather much data from a sample size of one. But that sample size of one was very very telling for me.

NO car is an investment. I get that. But that massive falloff of a depreciation is telling.

 

[DannyBoyOPC]

Family members have a H6 that had an injector fail. Car sat at the dealer for 8/9 months for the replacement

 

[PepeThePrawn]

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[Daladin]

Anyone here currently driving, or have experience owning, a Chery or Haval? I will be looking for a new(er) car after I see my increase at the end of July. I have been browsing a bit and even though I am extremely skeptical about going with a Chinese brand such as Chery or Haval, I can't help but notice that they are extremely well priced if compared to other cars in their price range.

Chery / Haval vehicles that keep popping up when I am browsing cars are the Haval H6 / GT6 and the Chery Tiggo Pro 7/ Pro 8. Comparing them to the likes of Corolla Cross / Huyndai Tucson / VW T-cross one can't help but think they are very tempting.... but still Chinese...

I had a Haval H1, drove 45k KM over a 2year period with it, and not a single issue. Haval Centurion also treat you like a human and not a number when you book for services. i upgrade to a Ford Everest, so i didn't sell my H1 because i didn't like it, i upgraded to a diffrent class. Drove a Jolion for a rental when we went to Capetown. what a nice car and ill say best in its class. next cape trip was Tiggo 5 Pro, so much fun and a awesome car. i cant fault Haval and Cherry

 

[Daladin]

I definitely won't be buying brand new out the box, simply can't afford it. I will be looking at a 1-3 year old car with less than 40-50k on the clock. I currently have a 2016 Mazda CX-3 2.0L Individual Auto which is a great car, however the kms are getting on a bit so I am thinking of trading in, I have 1.5 years left to pay it off. The car is awesome, except for the small boot. Didn't care about it when I bought it. I have since gotten married, moved into our own house and now have a 4 month old baby, so requirements have changed. Need something with more space.

Budget R400k - R500k. The lower the better obviously.

I want power so when I do long roads I can easily pass other traffic or trucks or whatever, doesn't need to be Lambo power, just decent.
Automatic, never going back to manual.
Space, space and space.
Resale value is important to me
Quality is important
Gadget - Who doesn't love gadgets
Fuel efficiency is not that important - Company fuel card

Fortuner would be nice - Pricy, risky and expensive insurance.
Hyundai - Has no good looking cars (liked the old Tucson, new one is fugly)
Mazda - Basically exactly the same interior as I have now, so not tempting
VW T-cross - Looks nice, nothing fancy. Also doesn't look all that big (enough space?)
Corolla Cross - Seems very decent and well priced, not many features / gadgets
Kia Seltos - Seems nice, haven't seen the inside so not sure about space - interested...
Kia Sportage - Seems nice but out of my price range..
Chery / Haval / Mahindra - Extremely skeptical about chinese (and indian) cars...

For 450K you can get a 2021 , 3.2 or 2.2 Ford Everest with 125K KM. we went for the Everest over Fortuner due to the safety riks. My Advice go for the 3.2 Diesel Limited. you will thank me later

 

[Qui_Illustrati]

Tiggo 5 Pro, so

Considering your great experiences and you drove a Tiggo 5 Pro, there's no other explanation other than you clearly did all this great experience gallavanting about in a Chinese vehicle in a parallel universe where a Tiggo 5 Pro exists in SA.

Thus I can only conclude your opinions on this doesn't count. Experiences isolated ONLY to this universe!!!

 

[1973Firenza]

With the provided requirements, I'd opt for a Mazda CX-5 or Honda CRV. Both represent companies with an established reputation for reliability, good dealer networks, reasonably low maintenance costs, and generally suitable for 10+ years of use without issue.

 

[Switch]

I can tell you this much. Resale value is absolutely shite! I mean very bad as things stand.
I got it in my head not too long ago, when I just wasn't getting the damn throttle control and was spinning wheels all over the show, to get rid of my Chery and I eventually will but the ONLY reason I'm still driving it, apart from the fact it's not yet falling apart, is that I hazarded a go at getting a sale price from WebuyCars. Only because it was the easiest option to gauge what I could get not because I wanted to follow through right then and there. They offered 120k less than I paid.

Sure - one can't really gather much data from a sample size of one. But that sample size of one was very very telling for me.

NO car is an investment. I get that. But that massive falloff of a depreciation is telling.

Don't know what your purchase price was but R120k less sounds normal, what is the difference in percentage terms? Cars in general depreciate heavily, so I wouldn't think it being unusual to have a resale value under 50% after a good few years of use. Also if you look at it in absolute numbers instead of percentages, the chinese cars are relatively affordable so if the price difference between new and second is minimal then it makes sense to buy new, hence second hand prices needing to be much lower to sell. New jolion is starting from R350k as of writing, if second hand wanted anything more than R250k (70% of new) then buying new looks more appealing.

 

[Divan85]

New cars depreciate the moment you drive it off the lot. Depreciation then slows over time. Hence I am not looking at buying brand new, I would rather buy a car that is 1-2 years old, 3 at max. Also want a car with max 40k kms, less is better. So something like an Everest or whatever at 125k km is not even an option. I highly HIGHLY doubt that I will go for a Chinese brand, my reason for this threaqd was just to find out if they are as good as they seem price wise. Any car can have problems, any car can have issues. Every car will depreciate. I just wanted feedback from others on their experiences and if it is worth the risk of buying a "lesser known" brand. I am still not convinced at would rather stick to a known brand name with a proven track record.

 

[De_Stroya]

Everyone was saying the same shit when Hyundai, Kia etc were starting to kick off.

Most of your shit you use every day is built in china, most of it works perfectly fine,
why would this be any different?

 

[SteveIndeed]

Everyone was saying the same shit when Hyundai, Kia etc were starting to kick off.

Most of your shit you use every day is built in china, most of it works perfectly fine,
why would this be any different?

I'd hazard a guess that a car is the one thing most people want to work perfectly all the time, particularly the brakes.

 

[JIK]

French cars like citroen were apparently extremely notorious for this problem.

I bought a Citroen C4 many many years ago. 1.6 diesel and bought it cheap and knowing it might give quite a few problems. It didn't give a single problem and servicing it and replacing a part here or there was easy. My wife wrote the car off and for the last few years now my wife has been driving a Citroen DS4 2.0 diesel. Bought it with over 100k KM on it and it does have some minor issues like a squeak noise from the housing on the rearview mirror but it was to be expected because the housing was damaged and some scratched paint etc. Again I've taken it for normal services etc and it has given me 0 problems, besides me hitting a pothole and having to replace the tyre.

 

[JIK]

My ex wife (bless her lovely soul), had a citroen picasso C4 a few years ago, brand new. It gave shit from day one when the water pump sounded like a washing machine going full tilt. Citroen replaced it, a few weeks later some computer died. It took Citroen I think close on 2-3 months to bring this part in from france. After that, something else happened to the car and the same waiting happened until the part arrived, to be fair they did loan her a car at the time.

Ironically, after I got divorced, she phoned me for the insurance companies details.

I asked her what happened, she said was parked in Norwood, ran into the store and a spar truck turned the corner to wide with it's trailer catching onto her picasso. It ripped a hole from the front to the end of the car, she came out of the store and people said look... there is your car about 50m from where you parked it.

Moral of the story, never buy french shite again, my 2c worth.

Owned a C4 and currently own a DS4. Never had a bad day with either.

 

[Switch]

I bought a Citroen C4 many many years ago. 1.6 diesel and bought it cheap and knowing it might give quite a few problems. It didn't give a single problem and servicing it and replacing a part here or there was easy. My wife wrote the car off and for the last few years now my wife has been driving a Citroen DS4 2.0 diesel. Bought it with over 100k KM on it and it does have some minor issues like a squeak noise from the housing on the rearview mirror but it was to be expected because the housing was damaged and some scratched paint etc. Again I've taken it for normal services etc and it has given me 0 problems, besides me hitting a pothole and having to replace the tyre.

Well you quoted a bit out of context, the problem I was referring to was parts availability and not car reliability.

 

[JIK]

I definitely won't be buying brand new out the box, simply can't afford it. I will be looking at a 1-3 year old car with less than 40-50k on the clock. I currently have a 2016 Mazda CX-3 2.0L Individual Auto which is a great car, however the kms are getting on a bit so I am thinking of trading in, I have 1.5 years left to pay it off. The car is awesome, except for the small boot. Didn't care about it when I bought it. I have since gotten married, moved into our own house and now have a 4 month old baby, so requirements have changed. Need something with more space.

Budget R400k - R500k. The lower the better obviously.

I want power so when I do long roads I can easily pass other traffic or trucks or whatever, doesn't need to be Lambo power, just decent.
Automatic, never going back to manual.
Space, space and space.
Resale value is important to me
Quality is important
Gadget - Who doesn't love gadgets
Fuel efficiency is not that important - Company fuel card

Fortuner would be nice - Pricy, risky and expensive insurance.
Hyundai - Has no good looking cars (liked the old Tucson, new one is fugly)
Mazda - Basically exactly the same interior as I have now, so not tempting
VW T-cross - Looks nice, nothing fancy. Also doesn't look all that big (enough space?)
Corolla Cross - Seems very decent and well priced, not many features / gadgets
Kia Seltos - Seems nice, haven't seen the inside so not sure about space - interested...
Kia Sportage - Seems nice but out of my price range..
Chery / Haval / Mahindra - Extremely skeptical about chinese (and indian) cars...

A school friend's brother has a T-cross. I've been in it and driven it. Was a really really nice car.
Everyone I've met with a Sportage loves it, I don't think I've heard anything bad said about it.

 

[PepeThePrawn]

https://imgur.com/a/zKnTkL7

 

[JIK]

Considering your great experiences and you drove a Tiggo 5 Pro, there's no other explanation other than you clearly did all this great experience gallavanting about in a Chinese vehicle in a parallel universe where a Tiggo 5 Pro exists in SA.

Thus I can only conclude your opinions on this doesn't count. Experiences isolated ONLY to this universe!!!

That's mean man. Maybe it was a Tiggo 7 that got shortened a bit in an accident?

 

[JIK]

With the provided requirements, I'd opt for a Mazda CX-5 or Honda CRV. Both represent companies with an established reputation for reliability, good dealer networks, reasonably low maintenance costs, and generally suitable for 10+ years of use without issue.

I have heard some horror stories about Mazda, Honda is pretty much bullet proof but I've heard their maintenance costs are a bit steep compared to other japs like Toyota/Nissan. I also know Mazda can be a bit pricey to maintain.

 

[JIK]

Well you quoted a bit out of context, the problem I was referring to was parts availability and not car reliability.

I perhaps didn't use my English well enough xD
There have been part replacements, Belts, Pumps and quite a few other things. It has steering headlamps, Not sure if that's what it's called but one stopped working but to be fair the car is old and has a lot of milage. The part arrived within a week and it's been a similar story for everything else I've replaced on it. So when I said I have had no issues I also meant no issues with parts. Last service the mechanic has already told me that he's seeing issues with the gearbox, fine for now but I should be aware. It is a manual and I enquired with the mechanic regarding the parts and all that. He can get an entire new gearbox if needed within two weeks. Probably not a gearbox replacement but I'm not worried that I'll be without a vehicle for months on end.

 

[PJtheKILL3R]

Budget R400k - R500k. The lower the better obviously.

At round the top end of that range you could even pickup a decent Rav4 Hybrid which has a bit more oompf than the Corolla Cross.

 

[ArriBen]

Owned a C4 and currently own a DS4. Never had a bad day with either.

luck of the draw i guess.

 

[1973Firenza]

I currently have a mixed bag but no bad/problematic cars to date. These days, I personally think that it is reasonably difficult to purchase a poor vehicle. Cars have gotten considerably more reliable overall, and it is only specific market conditions which need to be considered (i.e. a car that doesn't sell well generally has poor resale value, whilst a more popular model will retain its value better).

Below are my current road cars:

Note: Vehicle description - Mileage / Avg. annual maintenance cost / monthly insurance cost (full cover, OUTsurance) / issues over the years outside of regular maintenance items

• 2006 Chevrolet Lumina 6.0 SS Auto - 190k kms / R3000 / R450 / Various electronic gremlins but nothing mechanical
• 2018 Mazda CX-5 2.0 Dynamic Auto - 130k kms / R3000 / R800 / Nothing to date
• 2015 Nissan Juke 1.6T Tekna Manual - 70k kms / R4500 / R600 / Nothing to date
• 2006 Volkswagen Citi Golf 1.4 Chico - 140k kms / R550 / R100 / 1x Mechanical fuel pump.

 

[Jack_Bauer_ZA]

Main issue i have with the chinese cars is the electronics. They CANNOT make shit that lasts. How many of the new hybrid/electrics will be on the road in 10 years time? Only time will tell.

 

[BrilliantTech]

I wouldn’t go Chinese at the moment. They need a few years to get their act together. The Tiggo range is great value for money but chances are you will regret it in a year’s time. Someone i know recently sold their Tiggo 8 Pro Max. Build quality is not good and you struggle to get service from the dealerships