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So my system has been idling really high as of late which prompted me to monitor my in game temps. Opened up spider man remastered and my CPU temp was hitting 85c and the GPU chugging along at a measly 60ish c. Idle temps are in the high 50`s degrees area which is also very concerning.

I only have this cpu for 2 to 3 months and have never noticed temps higher than 70c. I can water moving through the tubes and one is very warm while the other is cool which makes sense, however what seems different is that the radiator is cool as a cucumber which i distinctly remember never being the case before. There is a slight heat pocket where the hot tube meets the rad but that's it.

Firing up Cinebench R23 multicore instantly pegs the cpu at 90c and it thermal throttles down to 3.7ish ghz.

This will be the first AIO that has ever died on me so I am not sure what to look for?

Looking forward to any help here.
 
Sounds like you have a block, bud :(

Would return and replace asap
 
A little bit more info...

What cpu is it?
What AIO is it?
What age is the AIO?
How's your thermal paste application?
Is your fans configured to push or pull air?
 
Spectre said:
A little bit more info...

What cpu is it?
What AIO is it?
What age is the AIO?
How's your thermal paste application?
Is your fans configured to push or pull air?
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Rig as in my sig.

AIO is just shy of 2 years.

Redid thermal paste, and the first application seemed good as well when i took the block off.

AIO fans are pushing.
 
Yeah man..
A decent air cooler will keep that X3D under control and no more headaches.
 
durimotara said:
Rig as in my sig.

AIO is just shy of 2 years.

Redid thermal paste, and the first application seemed good as well when i took the block off.

AIO fans are pushing.
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2 years life on a AIO is just crazy bad luck, but it's not unlikely that you could have pump failure.

If you rest your hands on the pump head can you feel any vibrations?
 
Spectre said:
2 years life on a AIO is just crazy bad luck, but it's not unlikely that you could have pump failure.

If you rest your hands on the pump head can you feel any vibrations?
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A very slight one, but it seems like that may be the fans in close proximity.
 
Can you not check pump speed with Lian Li software or in the bios?
 
So slight development. I`ve slapped on a spare wraith cooler I had lying around. The 3rd gen version that isn't that beefy and my idle temps have dropped down to mid 40c from the high 50s and in Spiderman I'm hitting 80c. Is the consensus still that its a bad AIO? I mean it is still just a wraith cooler after all.
 
100% a dead or dying aio
Could be pump or a clog. Either way, needs to be replaced.
 
Don't you have a warranty left on the AIO?
 
durimotara said:
So my system has been idling really high as of late which prompted me to monitor my in game temps. Opened up spider man remastered and my CPU temp was hitting 85c and the GPU chugging along at a measly 60ish c. Idle temps are in the high 50`s degrees area which is also very concerning.

I only have this cpu for 2 to 3 months and have never noticed temps higher than 70c. I can water moving through the tubes and one is very warm while the other is cool which makes sense, however what seems different is that the radiator is cool as a cucumber which i distinctly remember never being the case before. There is a slight heat pocket where the hot tube meets the rad but that's it.

Firing up Cinebench R23 multicore instantly pegs the cpu at 90c and it thermal throttles down to 3.7ish ghz.

This will be the first AIO that has ever died on me so I am not sure what to look for?

Looking forward to any help here.
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Hmmm. Hmmmmmmm. I'm not conviced it's dying, hey.

1x hot tube and the sound of water moving means heat is entering the pump head and the pump is moving it through the tube. 1x cold tube means rad is cooling effectively.

Don't forget 2-3 months ago in JHB it was pretty cold outside. Now it's a heatwave.

The 5800X3D is a hot CPU. A 240mm AIO was always going to be borderline.

50C idle and 85C load while gaming is not super unusual. My 3700X has been under a H115i (280mm AIO) since I got it and idle temps float around 45-55ish no matter how fast I set the pump and/or fans. Started AC Origins now, even in the menu the CPU spikes basically immediately to 75C (GPU 65C).

Temps spiking up instantly under load, is normal with Ryzen CPUs, even with an AIO. See this:

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The above is with a 280mm AIO with fans at 100% (which I am assuming your fans are not at?) and probably a nice air-conditioned room, and it immediately goes over 80C on a stress test. So hitting 90C on a 240mm AIO with fans at less-than-full throttle, during a Joburg heatwave, seems within the realms of reason.

However I will concede that it's a bit odd that temps are lower with the Wraith.

1. With the Wraith cooler on it, was the fan set to max speed?

2. What happens with the Wraith in Cinebench?

3. What speed were the AIO fans on? What happens when you set the fans on the AIO faster?

4. How is the AIO pump powered? Did you not maybe accidentally set it to a lower speed somehow?

5. Did you recently change anything in BIOS or Ryzen Master - like e.g. enabling PBO or removing an undervolt or something?
 
What was your setup configuration? Where and how did you have your cooler setup and radiator placement? Possible that with the wrong setup you have air sitting in the pump especially if the pump is at the highest point in the cooling setup. Preferably would have the radiator top mounted with the pump below it would be best. If you have the rad front mounted with the pipes going into the rad at the top front side of the case then you may have an air pocket sitting there which could occasionally leak into the pump hence the high temps etc.
 
there is a possibility that you have an air bubble preventing flow, it can be caused from moving the case around too.

something super simple that worked for me was to lay the case down and power on the system and then to physically turn and move the case around until the "gargling" noises were gone.

hope this might help, it was a cheap fix for me.
 
No need to be dick, brother :)
The wraith is not meant to handle high tdp chips and it's outperforming a 240mm AIO.

Am I being a smartass by stating that this isn't right?
 
eyetac said:
No need to be dick, brother :)
The wraith is not meant to handle high tdp chips and it's outperforming a 240mm AIO.

Am I being a smartass by stating that this isn't right?
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No need to use sarcastic GIFs either, brother.

There are various factors at play that mean it might not be as simple as saying the Wraith is definitely beating the AIO.

There are a couple of things that can still be ruled out before starting the long, annoying process of returning the AIO or buying a new one. Surely the best outcome here is, the AIO is actually fine, and he can keep the thing he spent lots of money on, and doesn't need to break his back or his bank to get his CPU cooled?

But if those things are ruled out then yes, agreed, the AIO is vrot for sure and needs to be replaced. This is still definitely a possibility.
 
Bra.. don't get so easily triggered.

It's a gif that comes up when you search 'confused'.

Everything you and others have said is valid. OP should definitely try the above recommendations.
 
eyetac said:
Bra.. don't get so easily triggered.

It's a gif that comes up when you search 'confused'.

Everything you and others have said is valid. OP should definitely try the above recommendations.
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Sorry bra, it wasn't totally clear that you thought we were saying valid things, until just now when you said they're valid.

Side note, telling people to not be triggered, is an excellent way to get them to not be triggered, really.
 
goldfritter said:
1. With the Wraith cooler on it, was the fan set to max speed?

2. What happens with the Wraith in Cinebench?

3. What speed were the AIO fans on? What happens when you set the fans on the AIO faster?

4. How is the AIO pump powered? Did you not maybe accidentally set it to a lower speed somehow?

5. Did you recently change anything in BIOS or Ryzen Master - like e.g. enabling PBO or removing an undervolt or something?
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Yeah I don't discount this heatwave having an impact being that i purchased the CPU in winter.

1. With the Wraith cooler on it, was the fan set to max speed?

The wraith was just set to "standard" in the Asus Q-Fan in Bios. I am not sure what rpm that is

2.What happens with the Wraith in Cinebench?

Wraith also gets to 90c however it takes a few seconds where as the AIO is instant and the cpu thermal throttles itself to helo, like 500mhz and 90c.

3. What speed were the AIO fans on? What happens when you set the fans on the AIO faster?

AIO fans were set in q-fan to gradually rise as cpu temps rise eventually hitting a 100% at like 80c. Setting the fans to max speed makes no difference.

4. How is the AIO pump powered? Did you not maybe accidentally set it to a lower speed somehow?

The pump is plugged in directly onto an AIO header on my Board. Not cpu fan header etc. I have also in the bios changed the AIO to DC (12v) Instead of PWM so full speed to the pump at all times.

5. Did you recently change anything in BIOS or Ryzen Master - like e.g. enabling PBO or removing an undervolt or something?

Haven't changed a single thing in BIOS that I can recall hey.

What's making me think its the AIO is the radiator is always cool, I always remembered putting my hand behind the radiator and be it a game or synthetics there was some warm air coming through and the radiator is warm to the touch. Now its cold all the time, idle, gaming, synthetics it doesn't matter its cold. Like you I doubted the AIO so I gave it one last attempt and the pump just doesn't sound healthy even though it is working and I am now hitting 90c on desktop doing absolutely nothing. It even went over 90c to like 95c and I got scared and shut it down lol. I don't expect amazing temps on this CPU as I know its a bit of a space heater but 80c while gaming is reasonable.

I dug up an old conversation I was having with a buddy when I just got the CPU and in warzone I was getting 60 to 62c. Take it into account that was winter, heatwave now etc etc and I think 80c seems reasonable?
 
durimotara said:
Yeah I don't discount this heatwave having an impact being that i purchased the CPU in winter.

1. With the Wraith cooler on it, was the fan set to max speed?

The wraith was just set to "standard" in the Asus Q-Fan in Bios. I am not sure what rpm that is

2.What happens with the Wraith in Cinebench?

Wraith also gets to 90c however it takes a few seconds where as the AIO is instant and the cpu thermal throttles itself to helo, like 500mhz and 90c.

3. What speed were the AIO fans on? What happens when you set the fans on the AIO faster?

AIO fans were set in q-fan to gradually rise as cpu temps rise eventually hitting a 100% at like 80c. Setting the fans to max speed makes no difference.

4. How is the AIO pump powered? Did you not maybe accidentally set it to a lower speed somehow?

The pump is plugged in directly onto an AIO header on my Board. Not cpu fan header etc. I have also in the bios changed the AIO to DC (12v) Instead of PWM so full speed to the pump at all times.

5. Did you recently change anything in BIOS or Ryzen Master - like e.g. enabling PBO or removing an undervolt or something?

Haven't changed a single thing in BIOS that I can recall hey.

What's making me think its the AIO is the radiator is always cool, I always remembered putting my hand behind the radiator and be it a game or synthetics there was some warm air coming through and the radiator is warm to the touch. Now its cold all the time, idle, gaming, synthetics it doesn't matter its cold. Like you I doubted the AIO so I gave it one last attempt and the pump just doesn't sound healthy even though it is working and I am now hitting 90c on desktop doing absolutely nothing. It even went over 90c to like 95c and I got scared and shut it down lol. I don't expect amazing temps on this CPU as I know its a bit of a space heater but 80c while gaming is reasonable.

I dug up an old conversation I was having with a buddy when I just got the CPU and in warzone I was getting 60 to 62c. Take it into account that was winter, heatwave now etc etc and I think 80c seems reasonable?
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Ja no no ja, if you're hitting 90C on idle with a good mount, pump on 100% DC, and no BIOS tweaks then I think it's time to call it on the AIO.

Sorry @eyetac you were right all along, consider this humble pie eaten.

80C while gaming is reasonable on that CPU. At least you have the Wraith to use in the interim.
 
Can I post a gif? :ROFLMAO:
J/K
Glad the mystery has been solved.

Hope you can find a lekker NHD15/Fuma2/DRP4 to keep that cpu nice and cosy.
 
durimotara said:
So my system has been idling really high as of late which prompted me to monitor my in game temps. Opened up spider man remastered and my CPU temp was hitting 85c and the GPU chugging along at a measly 60ish c. Idle temps are in the high 50`s degrees area which is also very concerning.

I only have this cpu for 2 to 3 months and have never noticed temps higher than 70c. I can water moving through the tubes and one is very warm while the other is cool which makes sense, however what seems different is that the radiator is cool as a cucumber which i distinctly remember never being the case before. There is a slight heat pocket where the hot tube meets the rad but that's it.

Firing up Cinebench R23 multicore instantly pegs the cpu at 90c and it thermal throttles down to 3.7ish ghz.

This will be the first AIO that has ever died on me so I am not sure what to look for?

Looking forward to any help here.
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Sup man

I'm Running the 5800X3D as well under a Corsair iCUE H115i Elite Capellix RGB Liquid CPU Cooler

Idle depends on Ambient between 40'c and 50'c
In games between 65'c and 75'c
Maxed out 82'c

Full airflow case with 6 x Corsair Magnetic Levitation Series ML140 Fans maxed out at 2000rpm

Cooler Top mounted as exhaust

Currently idling at 58'c with ambient 33'c
 
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