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Bad News for Anyone Wanting ASUS RTX 30 Cards

heinreich said:
I'm pretty sure I introduced it as "a stupid question".

But also, riddle me this. Why is it applicable to RTX and not RX cards? Purely mining driven by a select few ching chong ding dong in Taiwan/ Hawng Kawng?

Seems like financial suicide...because if Palit or Zotac (or any other brand) decide not to follow suit, then lol... easy sales heading their way. Makes fuckall sense to force consumers into a console-like transaction (whole thing or no thing) when all you want is a component. They will choose with their wallets..



That's fine, for now. But when R4k or R8k grows to R15k+ difference (for a whole computer), this decision gets all the more confusing, to the point of just being plain stupid.

So they go from "shit we dont have stock of GPUs to give the people" to "fuckit, lets force them to buy all our excess hardware if they want the few GPUs we do have".

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Lets try not be racist, its not only the asians driving the market. Anyway, on the mining side nvidia have better price performance over amd (for example 3060ti vs ?, 3070 vs ?), especially considering their cores have transitioned from purely raster graphics rendering to gpgpu computing. Combined with the bubbling etherium/virtual currency prices thats breaking records, everyone wants in on the mining craze (whether or not it is profitable is a different matter) as there is a misconception on high profits and minimal capex risk on reselling cards to gamers when a crash happens. Then you have the big data/machine learning guys buying up gpgpu compute hardware to drive their machine learning programs, though the volume isn't nearly as much as the mining craze. Lastly you have the gamers wanting to buy the latest cards for new games like cyber punk, performance bugs aside there is still strong lingering consumer sentiment on fomo with being ready for future ray tracing titles (and also hangover from the over priced/relatively underperforming rtx 2k series). All of that added together with limited supply and the sudden scalping craze and bad pr on supply, you got pressure from nvidia on aib partners to fix the distribution chain to try mitigate against scalper web bots and backdoor mining sales. So one of the easiest options, which is also a win-win on revenue movement, is to force bundles as scalpers and miners should not have an interest in buying, as there is much less consumer demand on pc parts for scalpers to profit consistently on, and miners have no use for extra parts for their mining operations, lots of other industries apply this practice to contain demand and move stock.

The other reason for bundles is that there is data indicating high consumer demand for other pc parts (but not enough for scalpers to run low risk operations on buying, graphics cards can be sold to gamers or miners, but cpus are only wanted by gamers and at a much lower volume), outside of sa there is currently a very high shortage on zen 3 chips available. Depending on what the partners are paring inside the bundles, bundling might also provide consumers a win-win situation on getting a working pc together in one go. Lastly bundling gives partners an opportunity to gain profit by enticing other component manufacturers like intel or kingston to partner together to push each others items on shared cost. Therefore even if some partners do not bundle, the sheer demand and circumstantial data indicates that bundle items will still be bought by a considerable number of consumers which provides board partners improved profit, and the constrained supply means unbundled partners will not be able to monopolize market share, depending on the cost/sales analysis and market share/popularity, choosing to not bundle is choosing to have less profit, which for-profit companies seldom choose to do.
 
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Good.

PS: Fuck all you miners that have distributor accounts when you aren't even resellers, scalping up cards before they even land.
Many may complain but ASUS is doing a good thing. Here's to hoping Gigabyte and MSI follows suite at least until this craze blows over.
 
SantaMuerte said:
Good.

PS: Fuck all you miners that have distributor accounts when you aren't even resellers, scalping up cards before they even land.
Many may complain but ASUS is doing a good thing. Here's to hoping Gigabyte and MSI follows suite at least until this craze blows over.
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Distributors like Asus are doing the best they can to prevent people from buying hundreds of gpu's at a time I reckon.
Most stock for the next 6 months or more is already 'booked' according to @SILTECH786 so this is pretty much the only way they can try and curb this.
But what of the oke wanting to run SLI or people who needs a bunch of GPU's for rendering, so they gotta buy a board for each gpu.
Makes things quite a bit more expensive, but also helps with moving stock on lower end boards, so some good, some bad.
 
PC Rescue said:
You don't wanna know
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Well at the rate my pc is going I will be able to build a new pc just with all the 'replacement' parts I am having to get to try and find the cause of my issues, so who knows, just getting a different gpu might be cheaper :p
 
Thanatos_ZA said:
Well at the rate my pc is going I will be able to build a new pc just with all the 'replacement' parts I am having to get to try and find the cause of my issues, so who knows, just getting a different gpu might be cheaper :p
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I will admit that I did whip out the measuring tape. Alas your sloppy seconds will not fit in my build.
 
Thanatos_ZA said:
why? just coz all my parts are black and not white? :(
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Nope, you have too much length, will hit the front mounted radiator. I already moved the rad inside, fans outside and it still has a hard limit about 310mm. By chaning orientation that could possibly extend a further 10-15mm.
 
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To think I was planning on going for the Strix right in the beginning, but managed to get the Gigabyte Gaming OC a few months ago. It seems now grabbing 1 in the beginning was smart. I know people were saying wait a couple months for price drops or less demand, etc but it seems to have gotten worse.
 
Thanatos_ZA said:
Distributors like Asus are doing the best they can to prevent people from buying hundreds of gpu's at a time I reckon.
Most stock for the next 6 months or more is already 'booked' according to @SILTECH786 so this is pretty much the only way they can try and curb this.
But what of the oke wanting to run SLI or people who needs a bunch of GPU's for rendering, so they gotta buy a board for each gpu.
Makes things quite a bit more expensive, but also helps with moving stock on lower end boards, so some good, some bad.
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Isn't 2 GPU's a bundle deal
 
baasgene said:

Asus GeForce RTX 3080 ROG Strix Gaming OC Edition ROG-STRIX-RTX3080-O10G-GAMING 10GB GDDR6X 320-bit PCI-E 4.0 Desktop Graphics Card - Wootware

Buy Asus GeForce RTX 3080 ROG Strix Gaming OC Edition ROG-STRIX-RTX3080-O10G-GAMING 10GB GDDR6X 320-bit PCI-E 4.0 Desktop Graphics Card at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.
www.wootware.co.za www.wootware.co.za

Woot just posted a strix for R27,299. It's ludicrous
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Takealot

www.takealot.com

Scalpers are trying their luck on Takealot
 
Maverick said:
Wootware has stock of EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Gaming 10G-P5-3897-KR 10GB GDDR6X 320-bit PCI-E 4.0 Desktop Graphics Card - Wootware

They are literally upping the price of the cards every time they get new stock, yesterday this was live and R500 cheaper, am sure before that it was cheaper. Current price is R25,999.00 for those clicking on it by the time it is yet again bought up.
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So just like Woot pumping the price of my MERC319 Black from 22500 to R26k in 2 weeks?
 
Switch said:
All of that added together with limited supply and the sudden scalping craze and bad pr on supply, you got pressure from nvidia on aib partners to fix the distribution chain to try mitigate against scalper web bots and backdoor mining sales.
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This is from ASUS, not from NVIDIA. NVIDIA has been selling directly to miners and scalpers, they literally could not care less.

Switch said:
So one of the easiest options, which is also a win-win on revenue movement, is to force bundles as scalpers and miners should not have an interest in buying, as there is much less consumer demand on pc parts for scalpers to profit consistently on, and miners have no use for extra parts for their mining operations, lots of other industries apply this practice to contain demand and move stock.
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Forcing someone to buy a R 300 DVD writer is hardly going to make a difference to someone spending R 20,000+ on a card. This is moving dead stock, plain and simple.

Switch said:
The other reason for bundles is that there is data indicating high consumer demand for other pc parts (but not enough for scalpers to run low risk operations on buying, graphics cards can be sold to gamers or miners, but cpus are only wanted by gamers and at a much lower volume), outside of sa there is currently a very high shortage on zen 3 chips available. Depending on what the partners are paring inside the bundles, bundling might also provide consumers a win-win situation on getting a working pc together in one go. Lastly bundling gives partners an opportunity to gain profit by enticing other component manufacturers like intel or kingston to partner together to push each others items on shared cost. Therefore even if some partners do not bundle, the sheer demand and circumstantial data indicates that bundle items will still be bought by a considerable number of consumers which provides board partners improved profit, and the constrained supply means unbundled partners will not be able to monopolize market share, depending on the cost/sales analysis and market share/popularity, choosing to not bundle is choosing to have less profit, which for-profit companies seldom choose to do.
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There are no partnerships. An ASUS graphics card with an ASUS component only. It makes ZERO difference in ASUS' lives whether you buy a Kingston SSD or an Intel CPU. What you're suggesting is borderline the end of the DIY market, as you'll be forced to buy certain combos. Maybe they could take it a step further and make you buy everything from the processor to the case as a combo. They could call themselves Dell or something.

Oh, wait...

Thanatos_ZA said:
Distributors like Asus are doing the best they can to prevent people from buying hundreds of gpu's at a time I reckon.
Most stock for the next 6 months or more is already 'booked' according to @SILTECH786 so this is pretty much the only way they can try and curb this.
But what of the oke wanting to run SLI or people who needs a bunch of GPU's for rendering, so they gotta buy a board for each gpu.
Makes things quite a bit more expensive, but also helps with moving stock on lower end boards, so some good, some bad.
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Nobody is buying 100s of GPUs at a time, at least not in SA. It's not for lack of buying power, but rather shipments being as small as 5 cards at a time.

All existing back orders have been cancelled by the distributors. Until Gigabyte and/or MSI follow suite, I've just tripled my back orders with them.

You don't have to buy a board, you can buy an ODD, starting price R 289. If you're building a rendering farm with multiple cards per computer you can play the system a bit. One card with a motherboard, another with a monitor, another with a keyboard, another with a mouse. Four cards and four components you need all.

OuTBreaK said:
Isn't 2 GPU's a bundle deal
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LOL, no.

GershonV said:

Takealot

www.takealot.com

Scalpers are trying their luck on Takealot
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That's not a scapler. It doesn't say "Sold by XYZ." That's Takealot.

Maverick said:
Wootware has stock of EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Gaming 10G-P5-3897-KR 10GB GDDR6X 320-bit PCI-E 4.0 Desktop Graphics Card - Wootware

They are literally upping the price of the cards every time they get new stock, yesterday this was live and R500 cheaper, am sure before that it was cheaper. Current price is R25,999.00 for those clicking on it by the time it is yet again bought up.
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R 20,999 at the end of last year from a screen grab @SILTECH786 sent me.
 
So my Strix 1060 is still going strong...

Wanted to do a build for my partner but stock levels are so shit, not just on cards but other components too, hard to fine-tune a build these days... Either you buy underpowered or over... I managed to grab a case she liked though, so it's just sitting here until shit goes back to normal.

yourang said:
evetech sold out on 3060 strix for R15k, card can't even mine atm, tuf was 14500 also sold out.
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I take it the driver limit has already been implemented? Sure miners already have coders working on a solution, many mine on Linux, which you could get open source drivers for... Won't be long till they are mining at full throttle.


SantaMuerte said:
Good.

PS: Fuck all you miners that have distributor accounts when you aren't even resellers, scalping up cards before they even land.
Many may complain but ASUS is doing a good thing. Here's to hoping Gigabyte and MSI follows suite at least until this craze blows over.
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Yeah this is a problem ey... Dick move though.

The local okes are still having issues ordering though, my supplier is out of stock too. (not that I have money anyway)
 
Oj0 said:
Nobody is buying 100s of GPUs at a time, at least not in SA. It's not for lack of buying power, but rather shipments being as small as 5 cards at a time.
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Not for a lack of trying though... wasn't there a post earlier of a guy wanting like 150 gpu's or something...
point is, if they could, they definitely would, and Asus limiting stock in this way, at least hampers them slightly..
 
Thanatos_ZA said:
Not for a lack of trying though... wasn't there a post earlier of a guy wanting like 150 gpu's or something...
point is, if they could, they definitely would, and Asus limiting stock in this way, at least hampers them slightly..
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I had a customer who wanted 1,000x 3060 Ti, but he wanted them within 2 weeks. 150 is small fry :p

That said, ASUS_ZA isn't hampering miners in the slightest by doing this. Do you think there is a miner who won't take a card because he has to take something else of low value which he can just flip here anyway?

There already isn't 0.01% of the demand available, so adding artificial restrictions does nothing to relieve the supply chain. NOTHING.

The ONLY effect of this is that dead stock gets to be moved.
 
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